Get Ready Second Dip Will Be A Doosy!

[Bryan Schwegler]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Economy/story?id=6626721&page=1

President-elect Barack Obama asked President Bush today to request the release of the second $350 billion in federal bailout funds so he would have "ammunition" if the country's fragile economy weakened further.

That actually doesn't negate anything I said btw

[Jim O'Bryan]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Economy/story?id=6626721&page=1

President-elect Barack Obama asked President Bush today to request the release of the second $350 billion in federal bailout funds so he would have "ammunition" if the country's fragile economy weakened further.

That actually doesn't negate anything I said btw

Hey stop looking backwards you are going to miss this!






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[Jim O'Bryan]

Hey stop looking backwards you are going to miss this!

You see they are counting on us to be divisive and diffused. They would much rather have
us talking about the Browns squeaking one out in Pre-Season than trying to figure out
what the hell is going on.

I would suggest to all amateur economists who want to look backwards to find out why
we have spent so much in the Mid-East turn rocks into smaller rocks, or sand into er ahh
sand, than taking care of what was needed back here.

One thing I always wonder about with with Stephen and his R friends, why does history
only have value in bashing a D. Why does history have zero value when looking at well
history of both the Ds and the Rs?

We can go back and look at GWBs words and actions, his quotes on "wartime presidents"
before he became one, his quotes about "needing a reason to go back into Iraq." before
we went back. His actions making his stay at the White House the most secretive ever,
sealing his documents and those of his father for an extra 50 years!

And then this!
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/Obama-closes-curtain-on-transparency-468557-100595914.html

Now while it is not quite the same as adding another 50 years of secracy to documents,
and starting an office of misinformation in the USA, it is certainly a step down that pathway.

Where is the outrage?

What we have learned is when elected officials keep secrets, it is because they do not want
the people they have been elected to serve to find out what is going on. That is contrary
to what they are there to do. Work for us.

If we refuse to accurately look at the past, we will repeat it again and again and again.

If nothing else, the office of the presidency has taught us that. Before Bush and Cheney move
on, let's look at why we invested in gravel making and nation building. Let's look at the bailouts,
lets look at what has happened to education, and infrastructure over here, lets look at why
the jobs have gone overseas, and then lets hold the bastard accountable.

Transparency, Accountability is the friends on the people, not the enemy.


FWIW

[Will Brown]

I think is is misleading to point the picture solely at Bush for the fiscal foolishness that went on during his terms. He didn't vote for any of these programs. They were passed by a congress controlled by the Democrats, but as always in America, we point the finger at the president when there should be shared blame; we should be giving all of them the finger.

As to transparency, we have never had it and I doubt we ever will. Deals are cut in the elevators and toilets of capital hill, and the result is bills with thousands of pages that are never read, and where who included what is often never known. They ignore the constitunional requirement that bills be limited to one subject and every member knows that he can get something for himself it he threatens to withhold his vote. As long as we have members who represent their districts, rather then the entire country, this system of legal bribery will continue.

As to foreign policy, when the president's people deal with a foreign country, it is like a contract negotiation or a poker game; we know which issues we won't budge on, and how much we will budge on others. The other country also has a like list. If we demand transparency, our list will be revealed, giving the other country a distinct advantage, akin to knowing what cards we are holding. Of course it is complicated with our system of government because the senate must consent to the product of the final negotiation, and there are numerous treaties and pacts that we have agreed to but which the senate has refused to ratify. A country that negotiates an agreement, and then backs out of it, should be viewed as untrustworthy in the world community.

Our country was designed to have government done by our representatives, not by ourselves. We are supposed to elect people we trust to represent out best interests, then leave them alone until the next election. This was set up to work in a time where there was almost no mass communications, and where the federal legislature met for only a few months in a year; states were responsible for most governmental actions.

Things have certainly changed, and perhaps the structure set out in the Constitution is not suited for the way things work today. But at the same time, states which have a heavy direct citizen participation in legislating (such as issue laden California) seem to be doing a very poor job of governing themselves.

[Stephen Eisel]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Economy/story?id=6626721&page=1

President-elect Barack Obama asked President Bush today to request the release of the second $350 billion in federal bailout funds so he would have "ammunition" if the country's fragile economy weakened further.

That actually doesn't negate anything I said btw

It was not meant to negate anything that you said. Just keeping things honest

[Stephen Eisel]

I mean Obama has done a few of his own things that have caused the deficit to increase, but it pales in comparison to Bush's 2 unfunded wars and the TARP Wall Street bailout he approved for his friends before he left....oh and that gigantic un-paid-for tax cut he passed too.

Show me the facts my friend... Where is the deficit today? And where was the deficit at when Bush left office? thanks!

[ryan costa]

California is what happens when an american state tries to be like modern Germany or Denmark or Sweden or Norway. The failures are not failures of aspiration or principles, but of culture. culture is shaped and guided from the material ways a population lives: the labor and the consumerism. California had a lot of land and U.S. Capital and even gold and oil to devote to sprawl. The Hoover Dam and other big government projects made water and electricity very much more available. California is the land of sprawl and fastfood and supermalls and suburbs. the cadillac desert.