WHAT COSTS MORE PER YEAR THAN THE IRAQ WAR?

[Bryan Schwegler]

I did a 40 page paper on the economic impact of ending illegal immigration for one of my MBA classes. Let's just say it wouldn't be pretty with some models that would forecast up to a 27% drop in GDP.

To put that in perspective, that would make the Great Depression look like the biggest economic boom time in the history of the universe by far.

I'm not necessarily defending illegal immigration, but things are always not so black and white...there are real impacts.

IMHO, we on our own will never end illegal immigration no matter what we do. Why not look at the source of the problem which is deplorable conditions in the country they're coming from. Look for ways to help improve their environments and they'll want to stay.

[ryan costa]

Keeping them illegal prevents them from demanding fair wages. Our Economy apparently needs them to do the jobs that teenagers, high school dropouts, small time thieves and small time drug dealers, people recently released from prison, people recently discharged from the military, and able bodied people on welfare used to do. Even when an illegal alien is making 14 bucks an hour digging ditches, it is less paperwork if they are working off the books. It is too much paperwork hiring people straight by the books.

It is an interesting idea that illegal immigrants do work that yields 27 percent of our national GDP. Since most illegal immigrants here are working, and there are about 10 million to 25 million of them. And they are doing jobs our Economists say are "unskilled" and our protectionists and Unions say should not be exported. The implication of illegal immigrants producing 27 percent of our national GDP are that most Masters Degrees and Ph.Ds are greatly over valued.

The folks making bigger profits hiring illegals presumably get taxed on it eventually.

Mexico will not be fixed: its population growth has been too rapid and large. Mexico is a looming catastrophic disaster.

On my street the mexican immigrant families are generally the best young households. The only problem Mexicans are second generation ones who get too caught up in modern American nonsense: The ADHD, hiphop, crass consumerism, and gang/thug glorification. California and Texas represent the worst of modern American residential and retail patterns, so naturally they have the worst gang problems.

What seemed so right in our economy when the stocks and banks and real estate were booming was merely a collision course with the present resource wars, urban decay, oil addiction, and bank collapse. A new set of "adjustments" will take place when there is a much smaller market for the labor of illegal aliens.

[Stephen Eisel]

I did a 40 page paper on the economic impact of ending illegal immigration for one of my MBA classes. Let's just say it wouldn't be pretty with some models that would forecast up to a 27% drop in GDP.

To put that in perspective, that would make the Great Depression look like the biggest economic boom time in the history of the universe by far.

I'm not necessarily defending illegal immigration, but things are always not so black and white...there are real impacts.

IMHO, we on our own will never end illegal immigration no matter what we do. Why not look at the source of the problem which is deplorable conditions in the country they're coming from. Look for ways to help improve their environments and they'll want to stay.

It is hard to imagine that 20 million illegals are responsible for generating over $3.5 trillion dollars in goods and services each year in the US. It is also hard to believe that 100% of those goods and services would be gone if illegals could not work in the US... just sayin

[Bryan Schwegler]

It is hard to imagine that 20 million illegals are responsible for generating over $3.5 trillion dollars in goods and services each year in the US. It is also hard to believe that 100% of those goods and services would be gone if illegals could not work in the US... just sayin

You need to think broader. It's not just what they produce, that's minor, it's what they allow the rest of us to produce by taking the lower skilled, manual jobs.

If they didn't do that, those 20 million jobs would need to be filled by people currently in high paying, higher skilled jobs whose jobs would then need to be filled by those with even higher paying, higher skilled jobs. It's a domino effect.

Costs, especially food, would also increase substantially taking an even bigger bite out of consumer spending.

So yes, the opportunity cost of getting rid of all the illegal aliens could be quite substantial.

[Stephen Eisel]

It is hard to imagine that 20 million illegals are responsible for generating over $3.5 trillion dollars in goods and services each year in the US. It is also hard to believe that 100% of those goods and services would be gone if illegals could not work in the US... just sayin

You need to think broader. It's not just what they produce, that's minor, it's what they allow the rest of us to produce by taking the lower skilled, manual jobs.

If they didn't do that, those 20 million jobs would need to be filled by people currently in high paying, higher skilled jobs whose jobs would then need to be filled by those with even higher paying, higher skilled jobs. It's a domino effect.

Costs, especially food, would also increase substantially taking an even bigger bite out of consumer spending.

So yes, the opportunity cost of getting rid of all the illegal aliens could be quite substantial.

20 million illegals = $3.5 trillion or 25% of the GDP

280 million legals = $10 trillion or 75% of the GDP

I am not sure how illegals impact some of the bigger contributors to the GDP, IP, Finance and Insurance, credit intermediation, Securities (commodity and investments), Insurance, real estate, professional and technical services.

[Jeff Endress]

But let's not forget the multiplier factor (you know, that same factor that is used to show the impact of such things as Medical Mart).

An illegal alien uses their wages to pay rent, buy a burger, gas...whatever. That in turn is used to hire walmart workers, burger flippers and so on....




Jeff

[Bryan Schwegler]

It is hard to imagine that 20 million illegals are responsible for generating over $3.5 trillion dollars in goods and services each year in the US. It is also hard to believe that 100% of those goods and services would be gone if illegals could not work in the US... just sayin

You need to think broader. It's not just what they produce, that's minor, it's what they allow the rest of us to produce by taking the lower skilled, manual jobs.

If they didn't do that, those 20 million jobs would need to be filled by people currently in high paying, higher skilled jobs whose jobs would then need to be filled by those with even higher paying, higher skilled jobs. It's a domino effect.

Costs, especially food, would also increase substantially taking an even bigger bite out of consumer spending.

So yes, the opportunity cost of getting rid of all the illegal aliens could be quite substantial.

20 million illegals = $3.5 trillion or 25% of the GDP

280 million legals = $10 trillion or 75% of the GDP

I am not sure how illegals impact some of the bigger contributors to the GDP, IP, Finance and Insurance, credit intermediation, Securities (commodity and investments), Insurance, real estate, professional and technical services.

I don't necessarily agree with the 27% scenario, just mentioning that some models predict that. However, the more plausible number in my opinoin would be between 3%-8%. That still a huge impact on the overall economy.

When it comes to the "kick out the illegals" crowd, I think sometimes they're too short sighted and xenophobic to get the impact. Not only economically, but also the humanitarian impact of why these people come here in the first place.

[Jim DeVito]

Before that debate goes much further. Can we agree that there is an estimated 11.2 Million illegals not 20 million.

That is according to the Dept. Of homeland security's own report.

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[Valerie Molinski]

I'm trying to find in ANY of those articles anything about building a fence at the US/Canadian border. I think a lot of these arguments stem from racism- just no more mexicans here, huh?

Did you also try to find stats on how much illegal aliens from Canada cost the US each year?

Who? Me or the original poster?

You!!!

Im having trouble. No one studies it because those people are predominantly white? I dont know. The Minutemen sure arent concerned with those people... just the ones coming from the south.

maybe this has nothing to do with color... just sayin....

I beg to differ. It has a lot to do with color. Didnt the 9/11 hijackers come through Canada? The whole argument that ______ terrorists come through our southern border only is preposterous. It is a smoke screen to get people fired up. No one is talking about building fences on any other of our borders except the southern one... that is my point. JUST SAYIN'....

[Stephen Eisel]

Before that debate goes much further. Can we agree that there is an estimated 11.2 Million illegals not 20 million.

That is according to the Dept. Of homeland security's own report.

Click Here Please

ok

[Stephen Eisel]

I'm trying to find in ANY of those articles anything about building a fence at the US/Canadian border. I think a lot of these arguments stem from racism- just no more mexicans here, huh?

Did you also try to find stats on how much illegal aliens from Canada cost the US each year?

Who? Me or the original poster?

You!!!

Im having trouble. No one studies it because those people are predominantly white? I dont know. The Minutemen sure arent concerned with those people... just the ones coming from the south.

maybe this has nothing to do with color... just sayin....

I beg to differ. It has a lot to do with color. Didnt the 9/11 hijackers come through Canada? The whole argument that ______ terrorists come through our southern border only is preposterous. It is a smoke screen to get people fired up. No one is talking about building fences on any other of our borders except the southern one... that is my point. JUST SAYIN'....

Why are you changing the subject?

[Stephen Eisel]

When it comes to the "kick out the illegals" crowd, I think sometimes they're too short sighted and xenophobic to get the impact. Not only economically, but also the humanitarian impact of why these people come here in the first place.

It is also short sighted to encourage people to break the law . Do you think the problem is with our guest worker program? (why do so many aliens bypass this process?)

[Stephen Eisel]

Didnt the 9/11 hijackers come through Canada?

No..

[Valerie Molinski]

Sorry, you are right. That was disproven.

And I am not changing the subject. Issue #11 in the op stated:

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report. http://tinyurlcom/t9sht

What I am saying is that I am pretty sure that aliens from terrorist nations don't all come via Mexico. So if we are that concerned about it, we need to close all of our borders. The only one people seem to be worried about is the southern one is my long winded point of all of this.

[Stephen Eisel]

Sorry, you are right. That was disproven.

And I am not changing the subject. Issue #11 in the op stated:

11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report. http://tinyurlcom/t9sht

What I am saying is that I am pretty sure that aliens from terrorist nations don't all come via Mexico. So if we are that concerned about it, we need to close all of our borders. The only one people seem to be worried about is the southern one is my long winded point of all of this.

side bar: God forbid that we legalize marijuana and cocaine...

Good point on the terrorist movement from both the northern and southern borders...