How 'bout them Browns!

Mike Deneen · Post by **Mike Deneen** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 6:42 pm

Wow, that was worse than I could have imagined.

Thoughts?

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:41 pm

Is it time to start Brady?

dl meckes · Post by **dl meckes** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 7:57 pm

I think it's generally a problem to start young quarterbacks right off the bat.

I'm not sure how it's the quarterback's problem when the pocket collapses or there is no protection.

I can't fault the quarterback for throwing to a receiver who can't catch the ball.

One player won't save the line.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:07 pm

dl meckes wrote:[b]I think it's generally a problem to start young quarterbacks right off the bat.[/b]
I'm not sure how it's the quarterback's problem when the pocket collapses or there is no protection.

I can't fault the quarterback for throwing to a receiver who can't catch the ball.

One player won't save the line.

tell that to Ben Roethlisberger

The current Browns' line is a lot better then the line that did not protect Tim Couch. Believe it or Not! Yep, the Steelers D dominated our offensive line but Charlie Frye is not exactly a mobile qb. Brady in the same situation (in my opinion) would have fared a lot better in this game. Brady Quinn is a better athlete and smarter football player than Charlie (in my opinion)..

dl meckes · Post by **dl meckes** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:15 pm

I wouldn't throw Quinn into his first pro start against the Steelers.

Many teams would design their offense around a talented quarterback, find time and protection for him or even find someone who can catch a pass. We don't have that here.

And yeah, there have been some pretty spectacular rookie qbs, but again, they usually have some help. They aren't just hung out there as concussion bait.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:58 pm

Believe it or not there is some talent on this line and Charlie not getting passes off is not the total fault of the line.. Eric Steinbach blocked for Rudi Johsnon at Cincinnati. Hank Fraley started and played for Philly for about 7 years. Joe Thomas was a first round pick from Wisc.. And Jamal Lewis is no rookie. Charlies passing today was horrible even when he was not being pressured. Brady will not be concussion bait. He is very smart and appears to be more mobile than Charlie. But time will tell...

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:29 pm

D. Anderson 13/28 184

C. Frye 4/10 34

At the very least, Derek should start next week. On one of the sacks, Charlie stayed in the pocket for over an hour

just sayin. I am watching high-lights. Charlie got sacked about 5 times.. And how many times did Derek get sacked???

dl meckes · Post by **dl meckes** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:09 pm

I'm glad Charlie Frye is going to Seattle. I think it may be the salvation of whatever hopes for an NFL career.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:20 pm

dl meckes wrote:I'm glad Charlie Frye is going to Seattle. I think it may be the salvation of whatever hopes for an NFL career.

Charlie Frye stinks as an NFL QB. Of the 10 sack attempts on Charlie on Sunday, Charlie was sacked 5 times. Of the 28 attempts on Derek Anderson, he was only sacked once. That says it all. Charlie was a third round draft pick and we got a futre 6th round draft pick for him. Charlie will probably be the third string QB at Seattle. He will likely see little playing time in Seattle. I cannot ever remember a starting QB being traded after the first game of the season.

Mike Deneen · Post by **Mike Deneen** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:33 pm

Has this ever happened before?

I can't think of an occasion when a guy went from opening day starter to dumped in less than 48 hours. Something is bizarre in Berea.

Charlie will hang around a couple years in the league as a third stringer. He's better suited for Seattle's offense.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 5:42 pm

Did anyone else hear Doug Dieken's opinion on the offensive problems of the Browns?

Jeff Endress · Post by **Jeff Endress** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:15 pm

I can't think of an occasion when a guy went from opening day starter to dumped in less than 48 hours. Something is bizarre in Berea.

Wnat to place a little wager on whether Romeo lasts the season? Betcha Lerner is already talking with Cowher...

Jeff

dl meckes · Post by **dl meckes** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:19 pm

Please. Please. Please.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:30 pm

Jeff Endress wrote:
I can't think of an occasion when a guy went from opening day starter to dumped in less than 48 hours. Something is bizarre in Berea.

Wnat to place a little wager on whether Romeo lasts the season? Betcha Lerner is already talking with Cowher...

Jeff

Triv said that the team may already be for sale.. Cowher would definitely help the selling price

dl meckes · Post by **dl meckes** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:36 pm

It was rumored that Randy was sitting in the locker room crying.

It's going to be a tough sale with things the way they are. Let's see if they even continue to stay in Cleveland.