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Corey Rossen wrote:You will be told to stop your pursuit of Haber. And you will.
I see your self-serving sadistic mis-direction effort. I won't be be your b---, you are cmager's. You will be proven wrong once again
You won't be my what? Come on,tough guy. When you sleep with the boss you get the privileges. "I won't be your ______." Cmager follows me around the Deck, that means I own him, he is my troll. Just like you. Your Haber silence will be my proof. Do what they say or you lose your privileges. Keep suckling.
Wow. So many good offers to be a b*tch, a troll, or a b*tchee. I am humbled for these opportunities, that my talents have been discovered.
But really, Mr. Rossen. It's not just me. The project that is The Deck revolves around you. We all follow you around, hoping to glean wisdom from the feet of the master, from the best that your team offers. In recognition, I shall install a little bronze plaque at the table in McDonalds, where you once planned your $100 picnic and adroitly expensed that meal onto the Form 990 of your JFFoundation. Charitable money super-well-spent in Lakewood needs to be celebrated!
Corey Rossen wrote:You will be told to stop your pursuit of Haber. And you will.
I see your self-serving sadistic mis-direction effort. I won't be be your b---, you are cmager's. You will be proven wrong once again
You won't be my what? Come on,tough guy. When you sleep with the boss you get the privileges. "I won't be your ______." Cmager follows me around the Deck, that means I own him, he is my troll. Just like you. Your Haber silence will be my proof. Do what they say or you lose your privileges. Keep suckling.
Wow. So many good offers to be a b*tch, a troll, or a b*tchee. I am humbled for these opportunities, that my talents have been discovered.
But really, Mr. Rossen. It's not just me. The project that is The Deck revolves around you. We all follow you around, hoping to glean wisdom from the feet of the master, from the best that your team offers. In recognition, I shall install a little bronze plaque at the table in McDonalds, where you once planned your $100 picnic and adroitly expensed that meal onto the Form 990 of your JFFoundation. Charitable money super-well-spent in Lakewood needs to be celebrated!
Still following me. I'm cool with it though, it's good humor to me. Besides, everybody likes a yappy dog.
Corey Rossen
"I have neither aligned myself with SLH, nor BL." ~ Jim O'Bryan
Corey Rossen wrote:You will be told to stop your pursuit of Haber. And you will.
I see your self-serving sadistic mis-direction effort. I won't be be your b---, you are cmager's. You will be proven wrong once again
You won't be my what? Come on,tough guy. When you sleep with the boss you get the privileges. "I won't be your ______." Cmager follows me around the Deck, that means I own him, he is my troll. Just like you. Your Haber silence will be my proof. Do what they say or you lose your privileges. Keep suckling.
Wow. So many good offers to be a b*tch, a troll, or a b*tchee. I am humbled for these opportunities, that my talents have been discovered.
But really, Mr. Rossen. It's not just me. The project that is The Deck revolves around you. We all follow you around, hoping to glean wisdom from the feet of the master, from the best that your team offers. In recognition, I shall install a little bronze plaque at the table in McDonalds, where you once planned your $100 picnic and adroitly expensed that meal onto the Form 990 of your JFFoundation. Charitable money super-well-spent in Lakewood needs to be celebrated!
Still following me. I'm cool with it though, it's good humor to me. Besides, everybody likes a yappy dog.
psssssst thread is about the public statement from Lakewood Hospital Foundation.
just saying
.
Jim O'Bryan
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system." Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it." His Holiness The Dalai Lama
I hope that we can meet face to face in short order.
In the interim, let’s be honest, this deal is terrible for Lakewood and you gave up trying to make it better sometime last year because you were surrounded by a bunch of coopted colleagues and mayor who lacked the intellect, honesty and will to fight for the people of Lakewood.
My only wish is that you would directly and fairly address all points and questions in this thread and the several threads we have going on. You continue to avoid the undeniable specific facts that are the foundation of a bad process and a bad result—secret meetings, no appraisals, no marketing of the assets and no public bidding.
Nevertheless, we can both agree that when people who hold political offices and are in crisis mode in a political season, there is a need to engage folks like Burgess and Burgess to cleverly avoid directly answering many questions that might reveal “inconvenient truths.” One tried and true tactic interwoven in these threads here on the Deck is to accuse the other side of exactly what your side is doing in an effort—to make one side appear “reasonable” and the other side “emotional” “fanatic” and “unwilling to compromise.”
The most obvious example of this tactic at play is your “moral absolutism” question coupled with your question: is the anything that I “would have been willing to compromise on?” When we look 180 degrees and ask those questions of your side, we see Mike Summers, Kevin Butler and others who steadfastly refused to compromise on anything—they were full tilt for the Clinic FHC/ER camp, hospital closes, no RFP, no appraisals, no transparency, “economic development or bust”, and privatize the public assets for the Insiders’ Club.
Classic Burgess Boys stuff here, playing out right before our eyes on the Deck.
To win a lie, you need to spend a lot of money to confuse people. And Summers, the Insiders PAC for Progress, LHA now known as the Clinic are spending tens of thousands of dollars of charitable and Insiders money to sell this lie. I am saddened that you defile your own good name by joining in this charade at the expense of trust in government and the well-being of the people of Lakewood
Your use of the word “intolerable” to describe the facts that that point to Mr. Butler’s conflict and unforgivable conduct is very telling—this betrays the hatred and contempt that is being spewed forth at City Hall for me. However, it is not me they fear and distain, but the facts and truth that I deliver that they can’t overcome—it points to their glaring mistakes and makes them angry at me when they really should be angry with themselves.
One example of what you completely failed to address was my statement "In September, 2015, I would have demanded Butler’s resignation. In over 30 years of negotiating deals, I have never seen anyone publicly announce that they have no rights or leverage against someone on the eve of announcing they will negotiate exclusively with that party they claim they have no leverage against. Unforgivable and just plain dumb." Do you really think that was a good negotiating strategy? Be honest with us.
Despite your avoidance of many of my questions, I will continue to extend you every professional courtesy in answering all yours and responding to all of your points. But I need to go out and canvass today. I’ll return to this back and forth later to be more specific as to how you avoided the specifics.
JO'B, you're right. This is why the distractions and thread-trashing of Mr. Rossen are so insidious.
On this thread we should discussing how LHF and Mr. Geiger gleefully announce that they have "protected" the $33M of the LHF monies, now under the umbrella and control of CCF, for the benefit not of Lakewood, but of Lakewood and region (memo - does it exclude Vegas and London and Dubai?).
Oh the horror were that $33M to be deployed to benefit the Lakewood Hospital that the LHF was established to serve and support. Why wasn't that $33M deployed as the substantial seed money for the capital upgrades to the hospital - the same upgrades that LHA and the city so generously let CCF off the hook. No capital fundraising was even necessary - it's this $33M (as intended) plus the monies that CCF already owed. Easiest fundraiser ever for a well-financed hospital.
From who are the LHF protecting the $33M? The people of the City of Lakewood? For whom are the LHF protecting the $33M? Lakewood Insiders?
I'm still wondering where those millions of dollars went.
Perhaps the federal and state government would like to take a peek at their financials. IRS? FBI? State Attorney General? State Auditor? BCI? Secretary of State? Mmm, where to begin? Soliciting funds for a hospital that no longer exists.
Lori Allen _ wrote:Thanks, Jim for the information.
I'm still wondering where those millions of dollars went.
Perhaps the federal and state government would like to take a peek at their financials. IRS? FBI? State Attorney General? State Auditor? BCI? Secretary of State? Mmm, where to begin? Soliciting funds for a hospital that no longer exists.
Lori
The LHF is a private foundation, and under Ohio and Federal Laws, private foundations have a lot of latitude. This is why I fear the new money going to one.
The can re-purpose almost any aspect of the Foundation, with the exception of restricted funds.
So our new "active living foundation" can re-purpose nearly overnight into, let's smoke cigarette foundation, and even though, like LHF it was dedicated to Health, we all all paid into and supported it, that $35 million - $43 million is GONE! They can also pay themselves to dissolve the Foundation.
This is why this deal must be stopped and rethought, once it gets to private hands it is GONE, and we the residents of Lakewood get NOTHING!
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Jim O'Bryan
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system." Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it." His Holiness The Dalai Lama
Corey Rossen wrote:You will be told to stop your pursuit of Haber. And you will.
I see your self-serving sadistic mis-direction effort. I won't be be your b---, you are cmager's. You will be proven wrong once again
You won't be my what? Come on,tough guy. When you sleep with the boss you get the privileges. "I won't be your ______." Cmager follows me around the Deck, that means I own him, he is my troll. Just like you. Your Haber silence will be my proof. Do what they say or you lose your privileges. Keep suckling.
Wow. So many good offers to be a b*tch, a troll, or a b*tchee. I am humbled for these opportunities, that my talents have been discovered.
But really, Mr. Rossen. It's not just me. The project that is The Deck revolves around you. We all follow you around, hoping to glean wisdom from the feet of the master, from the best that your team offers. In recognition, I shall install a little bronze plaque at the table in McDonalds, where you once planned your $100 picnic and adroitly expensed that meal onto the Form 990 of your JFFoundation. Charitable money super-well-spent in Lakewood needs to be celebrated!
Still following me. I'm cool with it though, it's good humor to me. Besides, everybody likes a yappy dog.
psssssst thread is about the public statement from Lakewood Hospital Foundation.
just saying
.
I'm tryin' but can't shake my shadow scream in' at me. I thought thread drift was the new in-thing. Just followin' suit.
Corey Rossen
"I have neither aligned myself with SLH, nor BL." ~ Jim O'Bryan
Corey Rossen wrote:You will be told to stop your pursuit of Haber. And you will.
I see your self-serving sadistic mis-direction effort. I won't be be your b---, you are cmager's. You will be proven wrong once again
You won't be my what? Come on,tough guy. When you sleep with the boss you get the privileges. "I won't be your ______." Cmager follows me around the Deck, that means I own him, he is my troll. Just like you. Your Haber silence will be my proof. Do what they say or you lose your privileges. Keep suckling.
Wow. So many good offers to be a b*tch, a troll, or a b*tchee. I am humbled for these opportunities, that my talents have been discovered.
But really, Mr. Rossen. It's not just me. The project that is The Deck revolves around you. We all follow you around, hoping to glean wisdom from the feet of the master, from the best that your team offers. In recognition, I shall install a little bronze plaque at the table in McDonalds, where you once planned your $100 picnic and adroitly expensed that meal onto the Form 990 of your JFFoundation. Charitable money super-well-spent in Lakewood needs to be celebrated!
Still following me. I'm cool with it though, it's good humor to me. Besides, everybody likes a yappy dog.
psssssst thread is about the public statement from Lakewood Hospital Foundation.
just saying
.
Looking back at the thread, Haber is mentioned, I say I am curious where the mention will go and then your people come on and attack, err distract, err deflect - I know you don't lke pointing fingers at your people but at some point you have to take responsibility where you are pointing. Distraction and deflection accomplished, the thread has moved on from Haber. Applause for your people, yet you still put it on others...a dark wizard at work - well done.
Corey Rossen
"I have neither aligned myself with SLH, nor BL." ~ Jim O'Bryan
I hope that we can meet face to face in short order.
In the interim, let’s be honest, this deal is terrible for Lakewood and you gave up trying to make it better sometime last year because you were surrounded by a bunch of coopted colleagues and mayor who lacked the intellect, honesty and will to fight for the people of Lakewood.
My only wish is that you would directly and fairly address all points and questions in this thread and the several threads we have going on. You continue to avoid the undeniable specific facts that are the foundation of a bad process and a bad result—secret meetings, no appraisals, no marketing of the assets and no public bidding.
Nevertheless, we can both agree that when people who hold political offices and are in crisis mode in a political season, there is a need to engage folks like Burgess and Burgess to cleverly avoid directly answering many questions that might reveal “inconvenient truths.” One tried and true tactic interwoven in these threads here on the Deck is to accuse the other side of exactly what your side is doing in an effort—to make one side appear “reasonable” and the other side “emotional” “fanatic” and “unwilling to compromise.”
The most obvious example of this tactic at play is your “moral absolutism” question coupled with your question: is the anything that I “would have been willing to compromise on?” When we look 180 degrees and ask those questions of your side, we see Mike Summers, Kevin Butler and others who steadfastly refused to compromise on anything—they were full tilt for the Clinic FHC/ER camp, hospital closes, no RFP, no appraisals, no transparency, “economic development or bust”, and privatize the public assets for the Insiders’ Club.
Classic Burgess Boys stuff here, playing out right before our eyes on the Deck.
To win a lie, you need to spend a lot of money to confuse people. And Summers, the Insiders PAC for Progress, LHA now known as the Clinic are spending tens of thousands of dollars of charitable and Insiders money to sell this lie. I am saddened that you defile your own good name by joining in this charade at the expense of trust in government and the well-being of the people of Lakewood
Your use of the word “intolerable” to describe the facts that that point to Mr. Butler’s conflict and unforgivable conduct is very telling—this betrays the hatred and contempt that is being spewed forth at City Hall for me. However, it is not me they fear and distain, but the facts and truth that I deliver that they can’t overcome—it points to their glaring mistakes and makes them angry at me when they really should be angry with themselves.
One example of what you completely failed to address was my statement "In September, 2015, I would have demanded Butler’s resignation. In over 30 years of negotiating deals, I have never seen anyone publicly announce that they have no rights or leverage against someone on the eve of announcing they will negotiate exclusively with that party they claim they have no leverage against. Unforgivable and just plain dumb." Do you really think that was a good negotiating strategy? Be honest with us.
Despite your avoidance of many of my questions, I will continue to extend you every professional courtesy in answering all yours and responding to all of your points. But I need to go out and canvass today. I’ll return to this back and forth later to be more specific as to how you avoided the specifics.
Thanks again for engaging.
My apologies to all for posting the above on this thread---its was supposed to be posted of David Anderson's thread asking me what I would have done if I was on council last year.
Corey Rossen wrote:
Your Haber silence will be my proof.
I was right again, Mr. Essi.
Mr. Rossen,
Did you just bump your own post with zero substance?
Why don't you start another thread with substance and fact called "Ken Haber did ____ and Ken Haber did that ____"
Come on. Drop dime on your daddy's best friend that you hate--but add something of substance.
Perhaps if you do something of substance, I will pile on with something in my "Ken Haber tool box" that fits with what you know and we can together take down a pillar of the Lakewood non-profit community.
Corey Rossen wrote:
Your Haber silence will be my proof.
I was right again, Mr. Essi.
Mr. Rossen,
Did you just bump your own post with zero substance?
Why don't you start another thread with substance and fact called "Ken Haber did ____ and Ken Haber did that ____"
Come on. Drop dime on your daddy's best friend that you hate--but add something of substance.
Perhaps if you do something of substance, I will pile on with something in my "Ken Haber tool box" that fits with what you know and we can together take down a pillar of the Lakewood non-profit community.
Geez...
Ready, Mr. Braveheart--- Go!
But you won't pile on because your Geppetto has instructed you not to. Proof has already been shown. Thank you for that.
Tell me why you think I hate Haber according to your reference of my parents. Go!
Corey Rossen
"I have neither aligned myself with SLH, nor BL." ~ Jim O'Bryan
Brian Essi wrote:take down a pillar of the Lakewood non-profit community.
Looks like you tried your best at "taking down a pillar of the non-profit community." Yet you want to blame me for attempting to take him down. Nice deflection.
Brian Essi wrote:Defendant Summers testified in the taxpayer case:
1. Ken Haber joined LHA as a trustee in (Summers transcript page 14; line24 ) 2011.
2. Ken Haber was on the Select Committee (Summers transcript page 12; line) 2012-2013.
3. Ken Haber was on secret the Step 2 Committee (Summers transcript page 18; line 5) 2014.
Ken Haber, as an LHA trustee was a member of the highest ranking LHA committees on planning and finance and appears to have been privy to all of the damning information coming form the litigation that Summers, Fitzgerald, and CCF executives were jointly planning the closure of Lakewood Hospital since 2010, if not earlier.
Ken Haber voted twice as an LHA trustee in 2015 to close the hospital.
Note the Select Committee Report was approved 12/12/2013:
12.12.2013 LHA Select Committee Report.pdf
Note that Ken Haber signed the January 14, 2015 letter of intent LOI on behalf of LHF---that LOI included LHF joining with the New Fake Foundation.
Ken Haber is a Defendant in the taxpayer lawsuit and despite his fine lawyers' efforts he has not been dismissed from the case.
Defendant Ken Haber and his lawyers have joined with CCF and Cosgrove in nearly every court filing--they are inseparable.
The notion that LHF is somehow separate and independent from CCF is contradicted by CCF and LHA joint websites and ccf.org emails
It is also contradicted by the facts that if Issue 64 passes, CCF will dominate "health and wellness" in Lakewood, including whatever is left of LHF's $33.5 million after 25% of it was pulled back to Cleveland by the Cleveland Foundation (which is dominated by CCF players).
Why do you suppose that Hen Haber has not been dismissed and that he and his lawyers are so tight with CCF and Cosgrove?
Can anybody verify whether Ken Haber kept the LHF board informed along the way in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 concerning the status of planning pertaining to the closure of Lakewood Hospital?
Corey Rossen
"I have neither aligned myself with SLH, nor BL." ~ Jim O'Bryan
Brian Essi wrote:take down a pillar of the Lakewood non-profit community.
Looks like you tried your best at "taking down a pillar of the non-profit community." Yet you want to blame me for attempting to take him down. Nice deflection.
Brian Essi wrote:Defendant Summers testified in the taxpayer case:
1. Ken Haber joined LHA as a trustee in (Summers transcript page 14; line24 ) 2011.
2. Ken Haber was on the Select Committee (Summers transcript page 12; line) 2012-2013.
3. Ken Haber was on secret the Step 2 Committee (Summers transcript page 18; line 5) 2014.
Ken Haber, as an LHA trustee was a member of the highest ranking LHA committees on planning and finance and appears to have been privy to all of the damning information coming form the litigation that Summers, Fitzgerald, and CCF executives were jointly planning the closure of Lakewood Hospital since 2010, if not earlier.
Ken Haber voted twice as an LHA trustee in 2015 to close the hospital.
Note the Select Committee Report was approved 12/12/2013:
12.12.2013 LHA Select Committee Report.pdf
Note that Ken Haber signed the January 14, 2015 letter of intent LOI on behalf of LHF---that LOI included LHF joining with the New Fake Foundation.
Ken Haber is a Defendant in the taxpayer lawsuit and despite his fine lawyers' efforts he has not been dismissed from the case.
Defendant Ken Haber and his lawyers have joined with CCF and Cosgrove in nearly every court filing--they are inseparable.
The notion that LHF is somehow separate and independent from CCF is contradicted by CCF and LHA joint websites and ccf.org emails
It is also contradicted by the facts that if Issue 64 passes, CCF will dominate "health and wellness" in Lakewood, including whatever is left of LHF's $33.5 million after 25% of it was pulled back to Cleveland by the Cleveland Foundation (which is dominated by CCF players).
Why do you suppose that Hen Haber has not been dismissed and that he and his lawyers are so tight with CCF and Cosgrove?
Can anybody verify whether Ken Haber kept the LHF board informed along the way in 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015 concerning the status of planning pertaining to the closure of Lakewood Hospital?
