Why Is It One Group Wants Conversation, One Group Wants Silence?

[Corey Rossen]

I find it ironic that the very people who are complaining about limiting free speech are the ones who are actually promoting such limits on speech. This is a sure sight of a group trying to stifle the media and residents.

Corey,

I attended a court hearing this week where a BL supporter, Mayor supporter, and owner of a "news" twitter feed is trying to silence free speech. In fact his attorney is trying to get cleveland.com to release the real name of one of the posters who never even mentioned or said 1 questionable thing about this person. BTW this person wasn't even in the courtroom, shows how much he cares about his case. The judge even asked why he wasn't there... I guess it is easier to be tough online and behind the pen writing postcards than to talk in person....

If you are pro clinic you are likely to get "attacked" if you post on the deck but at least you are allowed to post. The BL facebook pages and most of their supporters delete and block any comments that question their goals.

If you don't see how open one side is to dialog vs the other you are either not paying attention or you just like to spike Jim's blood pressure.

I am not on Facebook with SL or BL so I am not familiar with what you are referring to. So I guess that puts me in the "not paying attention" category.

I never singled out Jim to boil blood, I even mentioned that I did not single anyone out. Threads are overlapping now so I am not sure if it was this thread, another one, or another one.

You tell me - is the Deck one-sided? Are people run off here for opposing thoughts? Are certain people immune to laws of the Deck? Is there any validity to the rules of the Deck (note: there should be)?

Really, I am not against the Deck or Jim (or wherever he draws the line on that particular day), I just find all of the one-sided slights, ironies and finger pointing (without self reflection) to be too obvious not to notice.

[Ryan Salo]

You tell me - is the Deck one-sided? Are people run off here for opposing thoughts?

Corey,

I believe it is one sided because most BL folks prefer to post where they can delete opposing views and control the conversation and not be held accountable for their views long term.

[Corey Rossen]

You tell me - is the Deck one-sided? Are people run off here for opposing thoughts?

Corey,

I believe it is one sided because most BL folks prefer to post where they can delete opposing views and control the conversation and not be held accountable for their views long term.

Thanks for the response.

[Lori Allen _]

An honest open discussion can't really be had when Mr. Butler, the City of Lakewood Law Director, is sitting on 85% of PUBLIC records that have been requested over and over again. What is he hiding? What does Summers and Extended Company not want us to see? Mr. Butler, it is our right, according to the law, that we get to see the PUBLIC records. I believe that since it appears that you are a buddy of Mr. Summers, that you too believe you too, are above the law.

Are you hiding them till after the election? Are you hiding them until after the law suit?
The last I knew, Lakewood is not a dictatorship. What are the citizens of Lakewood to think?

The abuse of power in this town has to end. The alleged theft of the hospital, the alleged money laundering scheme, the alleged theft of Lakewood citizen's homes, especially the elderly, terminally ill, blacks, hispanics, etc, having your alleged partner in crime, Curt Brosky, appearing to threaten seniors at the Westerly, etc.

Get out and tell your fellow Lakewood residents what these alleged crooks are doing. I am out everyday. Believe me, people are pissed!

Sorry, off subject for a moment, Mr. Mayor< I am still waiting for your response to my question about the recent rape in Lakewood. Cat got your tongue?

[Bridget Conant]

If BL people say they are "run off" from the Deck, it's simply because they won't post anywhere they are questioned and ask to prove their statements.

It is so much easier to post on Jenn Pae's lollipops and unicorns FB page "Lakewood Ohio ( Community), that was a rip off of the original Lakewood Ohio group, by the way, and talk about Solstice Steps!!!

[Michael Deneen]

If BL people say they are "run off" from the Deck, it's simply because they won't post anywhere they are questioned and ask to prove their statements.

Bingo.
The facts are not on City Hall's side...that's why they frame the issue as "an opinion" and refuse to participate on the Deck.
People here ask too many questions.
The same thing happened on the "Lakewood, Ohio" Facebook page, which is why Jen Pae created the fake knockoff page.


City Hall controls the message via:
*Water Bill
*Jen Pae's City-Run Facebook page
*the fake newspaper
*Rick Uldricks' "Lakewood Citizen"

[Bridget Conant]

Don't forget to add the Pee Dee, that happily posts "news releases" from the Mayor and the Clinic as if they were written by their own "reporters."

They wouldn't know how to investigate a story unless it was dropped into their laps

[Corey Rossen]

From what I have read from other people's posts on the Deck, they are run off for multiple reasons. Anyone on the Deck has read these same posts. These reasons were around before the hospital issue, it is just now that people who have left have been deemed BL. People were leaving before the hospital, during and who knows about the future. It is very short-minded to think that anyone who has left is a BL person or anti-SL.

The people who left were just complainers, anyway - right.

[Bridget Conant]

Here is why the commenter on Cleveland.com's identity is being sought. I posted this Sept 28 on another thread

If anyone doubts for one minute that this lawsuit is anything more than a SLAPP suit meant to harass and hurt Jim and the Observer, and silence the criticism of the mayor and council, let me point you all to the latest filing in the case.

On Sept 23, plaintiff's attorney filed an amended complaint. On line number 93:

The plaintiff accuses a commenter of posting "inflammatory and conspiratorial statements about Mr Uldrick's former employers, the city of Lakewood and it's Mayor."

Well, well if THAT isn't an admission of what this suit is REALLY all about. It's an attempt to SHUT UP anyone who criticizes the city or the mayor.

[cmager]

People, by the way, don't let Mr. Rossen distract you from the important work of getting out the message, and the vote, AGAINST 64.

[Lori Allen _]

Here is what the mayor and/or members of his company have allegedly done to silence opposition:

1. According to police reports, threatening letters sent to people's private homes.
2. Unnecessary code violations on SLH people's houses. There are people with falling down porches, but a flower hanging over the sidewalk is a big deal?
3. At least one SLH member being given three parking tickets in one week, right around the time of the last election.
4. Media refusing to air anything except the mayor's side (mayor and Gilman all over the news).
5. Seniors allegedly being threatened by building management at the Westerly if they speak about the hospital or Issue 64.
6. Fedor Manor residents being visited frequently by Summers & most likely Gilman and being told that the alleged "ER" will always save them.
7. Certain mayoral opponents being followed by police, parking enforcement people, and city employees.
8. Certain mayoral opponent's children being allegedly followed around at their schools.
9. Refusing to release roughly 85% of requested public records.

The hospital deal is only a small part of this whole fiasco. This election will be a referendum on bad government and a seemingly incompetent mayor. Our major concern now, besides the hospital, is the alleged theft of homes from elderly, terminally ill, minority residents, or other residents that do not know how to speak up, along with alleged misuse of HUD and CDBG funds. These people need to be stopped in their tracks. If they are not stopped sooner rather than later, all of our city's history and charm will be gone. These people appear to be on a drunken bender, tearing down historical landmarks, people's homes, etc. without due process or a day in court. The first step in getting these people out is to vote against 64.