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prosecutors are going after a 30 year old woman for having an affair with a 17 year old guy student.

There was no real crime. When a guy is 17 years old, it is awesome to get it on with an attractive teacher. If my memory serves me correctly, that is how Newt Gingrich met his first wife.

That is why...the judge should throw the case out. if not, the jury should throw the case out, and then throw eggs and rotten cabbage at the prosecutors.

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ryan costa wrote:http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/11/teacher_indicted_for_having_se.html

prosecutors are going after a 30 year old woman for having an affair with a 17 year old guy student.

There was no real crime. When a guy is 17 years old, it is awesome to get it on with an attractive teacher. If my memory serves me correctly, that is how Newt Gingrich met his first wife.

That is why...the judge should throw the case out. if not, the jury should throw the case out, and then throw eggs and rotten cabbage at the prosecutors.

Free love man!


What does the Ohio law say? Seriously, I don't know. If the law says something about juvenile's under the age of 18, she broke the law.

As for Newt, he was 19 and she was 26.

Roy Pitchford wrote:What does the Ohio law say? Seriously, I don't know. If the law says something about juvenile's under the age of 18, she broke the law.

As for Newt, he was 19 and she was 26.

the law is dumb. I hope Newt was younger when she taught him geometry. most people take geometry before they are 15. odds are he started diddling her before he married her.

See Roy, dudes are different than chicks. When a teenage dude scores with a chick in her 20s, it is cool.

it is all well and good to fire the woman teacher quietly. time prosecutors spend prosecuting this is more time for guys like Anthony Sowell to fall through the cracks.

ryan costa wrote:

Roy Pitchford wrote:What does the Ohio law say? Seriously, I don't know. If the law says something about juvenile's under the age of 18, she broke the law.

As for Newt, he was 19 and she was 26.

the law is dumb. I hope Newt was younger when she taught him geometry. most people take geometry before they are 15. odds are he started diddling her before he married her.

If the law is dumb, do something to get rid of it.
You sound like a person complaining about politicians when you've never voted...

ryan costa wrote:See Roy, dudes are different than chicks. When a teenage dude scores with a chick in her 20s, it is cool.

Well, this "dude" was and is very different from the wide brush you seem to be painting with. I am and never was out there to "score" as you put it. Call me old fashioned, but I believe in this little thing called love that really should precede what you're talking about.

And where do you get off calling them chicks? Show some respect for the ladies.

Maybe it is time for Ryan to come out of the log cabin... He definitely has a thing for older republican males

Stephen Eisel wrote:Maybe it is time for Ryan to come out of the log cabin... He definitely has a thing for older republican males

Newt, Cheney, Reagan. He's always talking about them.

Nah, I doubt it. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this.

Roy Pitchford wrote:

ryan costa wrote:
the law is dumb. I hope Newt was younger when she taught him geometry. most people take geometry before they are 15. odds are he started diddling her before he married her.

If the law is dumb, do something to get rid of it.
You sound like a person complaining about politicians when you've never voted...


Well, this "dude" was and is very different from the wide brush you seem to be painting with. I am and never was out there to "score" as you put it. Call me old fashioned, but I believe in this little thing called love that really should precede what you're talking about.

And where do you get off calling them chicks? Show some respect for the ladies.

I try to respect the ladies by not prosecuting them for victimless "crimes", not sending them to prison for victimless crimes, and not getting them registered as 'sex offenders' for victimless crimes. do you want to put Newt Gingrich's ex-wife in prison?

some up and coming prosecutors will be glad to prosecute the female teacher for having consensual sex with a lucky 17 year old. the teacher is a lot less scary than Anthony Sowell. The prosecutor will score points. convicted X amount of "sexual predators.

I voted for Bob Dole in 1996. one of his campaign speeches was to get "tough on crime". Now that I am older I realize he did not mean the guys who gave Mortgage Backed Securities triple-A status. as for conventional crime, the president and feds don't have much influence on chastising dumb teenagers and streetards: that is kind of below their scope of purpose.

I don't know of any politicians who run for office on a platform of not being a dick. Being a dick is what it takes to prosecute a female teacher for having consensual sex with a 17 year old dude.

ryan costa wrote:I try to respect the ladies by not prosecuting them for victimless "crimes", not sending them to prison for victimless crimes, and not getting them registered as 'sex offenders' for victimless crimes. do you want to put Newt Gingrich's ex-wife in prison?

some up and coming prosecutors will be glad to prosecute the female teacher for having consensual sex with a lucky 17 year old. the teacher is a lot less scary than Anthony Sowell. The prosecutor will score points. convicted X amount of "sexual predators.

I voted for Bob Dole in 1996. one of his campaign speeches was to get "tough on crime". Now that I am older I realize he did not mean the guys who gave Mortgage Backed Securities triple-A status. as for conventional crime, the president and feds don't have much influence on chastising dumb teenagers and streetards: that is kind of below their scope of purpose.

I don't know of any politicians who run for office on a platform of not being a dick. Being a dick is what it takes to prosecute a female teacher for having consensual sex with a 17 year old dude.

Wait, I'm I reading that right?
You're saying that regardless of whether it was legal or not, the crime should not be prosecuted IF the "victim" consented?

So, if someone goes around groping 8-year olds, its ok if they ask the kid first and the kid says yes?
So, if I'm held up at gunpoint for my wallet, the crime shouldn't be prosecuted because I consented to his request for my money? It was under duress, but I still consented.

First, a correction: I meant to write Wait, am I before. I changed how I wanted to phrase it part-way through and didn't proofread.

Continuation (since editing after a certain period isn't possible):

Was Armin Meiwes wrongfully convicted?

[quote="Roy Pitchford]

Wait, I'm I reading that right?
You're saying that regardless of whether it was legal or not, the crime should not be prosecuted IF the "victim" consented?

So, if someone goes around groping 8-year olds, its ok if they ask the kid first and the kid says yes?
So, if I'm held up at gunpoint for my wallet, the crime shouldn't be prosecuted because I consented to his request for my money? It was under duress, but I still consented.[/quote]

A 17 year old dude isn't a victim. a 17 year old is willing and able.
The 17 year old in question appears to have been willing and able.
A 17 year old is old enough to enlist in the military. A 17 year old is old enough to drop out of high school and work at a garage.

you appear to be reading or thinking incorrectly. nothing about this case involves an 8 year old being groped.

if you are against big government, try being against government being Stupid, Costly, and counterproductive.

Wait wait, I remember a teacher of mine getting 3 years in prison and having to register as a level 3 sex offender every 90 days for the rest of his life for having an affair with a student that was 17 at the time, 18 when she testified before court. He was in his late 20's (I want to say 28ish). When the individual is 17, the parents have the right to press charges regardless of whether the 17-year-old consented or not.

I mean, the girl stood in front of the judge in tears, begging the court to drop charges because she fully consented to the relationship. She was 18 by then, and it was no good because her parents pressed charges.

The legal age of consent in Ohio is 16. I believe that gets thrown out the window if the parents decide to press charges.

I remember people being furious at the Lakewood BOE and the school administration when the news broke out. If I remember correctly he was charged with 3 counts of Sexual Battery and another crime as well.

There is more to consider than just the chronological age of the parties.

I believe Ohio law provides that a teacher's having sexual contact with a student is a crime.

Further, I believe Ohio law provides that having sexual contact with a person who is under certain disabilities (generally mental or geriatric) is also a crime. The article cited said the student in this case was in a special education program; read into that what you want.

A great portion of Cleveland school students are in special needs classes.
whether mildly disabled or diagnosed with ADHD and institutionalized along those lines.

Sean Connery enlisted in the navy when he was 16. It would not be surprising if he had affairs with older women at that time. considering he had already worked as a milk man. Today it is politically correct to make a big fuss out of. in the letter of the law and the spirit of stupidity.

a few weeks ago a 4 year old made headlines for being beaten to death by his mother. his mother had a history of violent crime. there may have been several warrants out for her arrest. The system is too busy going after PUMAs.

A few years ago a Cleveland teenage girl was shot in the face by her ex-boyfriend. He had previously broken into her house and raped her, been charged, then released to await trial. This will happen again in the future. The system is too busy going after PUMAs.