Some 'maverick reformer' she is...

David Lay · Post by **David Lay** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:07 am

Sarah Palin accepts $25k in gifts as AK Governor

Bret Callentine · Post by **Bret Callentine** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:18 am

wow, that's shocking, 25k doesn't even get you in the door to an Obama event.

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:26 am

Bret Callentine wrote:wow, that's shocking, 25k doesn't even get you in the door to an Obama event.

How would you know, did you try?

I find it so funny that "libertarians" and "independents" on this board, who traditionally "want governement out of domestic issues" isn't up in arms more about the bailout or about the pork Palin has had on her plate for so long!

Bret Callentine · Post by **Bret Callentine** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:37 am

and I find it disingenuous that people who apparently have no problem with Barack Obama accepting more than $100,000 from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are all of the sudden concerned with $25,000 worth of trinkets given to the Governor of a state that they deem irrelevent.

Mark Moran · Post by **Mark Moran** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:40 am

Bret Callentine wrote:wow, that's shocking, 25k doesn't even get you in the door to an Obama event.

What in the world does that have to do with anything? Yeah, it takes a lot of money to run for president and candidates hold big ticket events for wealthy contributors. So does McCain.

Palin is a new face, still relatively unknown to most people, about whom we know mostly only what the campaign has told us: that she is a "maverick" a "reformer" and someone doesnt play by business as usual rules.

But she does.
I dont understand your comparison

Bret Callentine · Post by **Bret Callentine** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:54 am

I dont understand your comparison

Not trying to compare anything, just questioning the logic that suggests that people who shell out $2,500 to Obama, naturaly only expect dinner and a show, but that someone who gives a necklace to Palin automatically expects political favor.

I once got a very nice gift from the Ketchikan Fire Department, I shudder to think what political favors were expected of me.

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 11:05 am

Bret Callentine wrote:and I find it disingenuous that people who apparently have no problem with Barack Obama accepting more than $100,000 from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae are all of the sudden concerned with $25,000 worth of trinkets given to the Governor of a state that they deem irrelevent.

If it makes you feel better some of care far less about that than the bigger issues, all which are relevant, like her three interviews compared to Biden's several hundred. Come on Bret, even a coservtive like yourself has to be embarrassed by her as a possible future president.

Bret Callentine · Post by **Bret Callentine** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:34 pm

Come on Bret, even a coservtive like yourself has to be embarrassed by her as a possible future president.

Yeah, if only she would have been on tv more, and possibly written a book, then she would be eminently more qualified. :roll:

I guess I'm not much of a conservative then, because I'm not "embarrased" by her candidacy for VICE president. That's not an endorsement, just an admission that my personal minimum qualifications for that role are more than fulfilled by her record.

Actually, I think the most questionable Vice Presidential candidate is Wayne Allen Root. Which, in and by itself, might disqualify Bob Barr in my book.

Brian Pedaci · Post by **Brian Pedaci** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:52 pm

If she had written a book, specifically on issues facing the country and ways to face them, we'd have a pretty good basis for judging whether or not she was capable of the job. As Obama has, it's pretty easy to get a feel for the way he thinks about issues and come to your own conclusions about whether or not you trust his judgement and principles. If you disagree with him, it's not because you weren't given an opportunity to examine his views.

Writing the book isn't a qualification per se. Being a Governor isn't a qualification per se. It's the content that matters.

sharon kinsella · Post by **sharon kinsella** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:15 pm

Um how about if she had a brain.

Bret- you're not even making sense on this one.

sharon kinsella · Post by **sharon kinsella** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:17 pm

yep - she's running for vp.

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:34 pm

Bret Callentine wrote:
Come on Bret, even a coservtive like yourself has to be embarrassed by her as a possible future president.

Yeah, if only she would have been on tv more, and possibly written a book, then she would be eminently more qualified.

I guess I'm not much of a conservative then, because I'm not "embarrased" by her candidacy for VICE president. That's not an endorsement, just an admission that my personal minimum qualifications for that role are more than fulfilled by her record.

Actually, I think the most questionable Vice Presidential candidate is Wayne Allen Root. Which, in and by itself, might disqualify Bob Barr in my book.

OMG we are talking about interviews so we know where she stands on things!!!!!!! God can you spin things! She is a moron even by tv interviewers' standards who have to ask the same question twice!!!! "Well there honey have to get back to you". Geez almighty God. Vice President who could run this country if Mcain fell over! My god we used be a Superpower. Think how the other countries would love her to run this country! We would be the laughing stock! Bret, I have never seen one view of yours that wasn't anything but right wing conservative, so much that you can't even criticize a candidate for what she is! God I wish we could split the country in two and and let each side rule and watch what happened. How in the world can you defend anything the Republicans are doing/have done to this country? Good god look around. But go ahead and blame the Democrats for not fixing what Republicans did.

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:37 pm

sharon kinsella wrote:yep - she's running for vp.

well good we can all eat the moose she shoots when we can't afford food.

The children shall inherit the earth. Too damn bad the crooked adults are stealing it from them before they have a chance. Anyone with children should vote for real change.

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:40 pm

sharon kinsella wrote:Um how about if she had a brain.

Bret- you're not even making sense on this one.

Well how could she join the Wizard of Oz there in Washington if she was not looking for a brain. Maybe she can help Oz, or Bush, find a heart and Cheney find a soul.

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:41 pm

[quote="Bret Callentine"]well then, perhaps I missed the point.

David, could you please clarify the point of your initial post?

Is it that Sarah Palin is not a reformer because she accepted gifts?

Was there an implication that she is somehow tainted or unethical?

Is there a question as to her intelligence or qualifications somehow tied to this revelation?

Has a law been broken or flaunted??[quote]

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duh Sarah is not a reformer for ALL reasons revealed! The bridge to nowhere. hm great title for the Repubs book.

And why shouldn't Sharon go there, you know, to the BRAIN part of Sarah? She has a right as a tax paying citizen on now, do you really need to go there