OK, Threshold Level?

[Jim O'Bryan]

OK, with the unveiling of another lie to the American People, that figures into the road to war. Are those that voted for GWB, and defended him over the years including on this, getting a little feed up yet?

5 Trillion owed to China.

Hundreds of thousands dead in wars that never needed to be fought.

Any emotion on this?


curious

[Danielle Masters]

getting a little feed up yet?

yes and I will leave it at that.

[Stephen Eisel]

The Chinese situation started long before Bush took office.. The subprime debacle started long before Bush took office. Some previous president, years ago, had a plan to increase home ownership in the US by 10%.. We have seen that failed plan blossom this year.. War sucks and people die... This is not the last war that this planet will see...


American Deaths from other wars:
1775-1783 American Revolution 4,435
1812-1815 War of 1812 2,260
1846-1848 Mexican War 13,283
1861-1865 Civil War 558,052
1898 Spanish American War 2,446
1914-1918 World War I 116,708
1939-1945 World War II 407,316
1950-1953 Korean Conflict 33,651
1957-1975 Vietnam Conflict 58,168
1991 Gulf War 293

[Jim O'Bryan]

War sucks and people die

Stephen


Cool, so tough, why not, have to scramble a eggs to really screw up the world...






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[Steve Hoffert]

OK, with the unveiling of another lie to the American People, that figures into the road to war. Are those that voted for GWB, and defended him over the years including on this, getting a little feed up yet?

5 Trillion owed to China.

Hundreds of thousands dead in wars that never needed to be fought.

Any emotion on this?


curious

Thank the uninformed American public, a product of the public schools and churches, for letting it happen. Sheep....it's almost slaughter time. They don't read the constitution or know anything about the laws being passed but they can tell you the browns score. Pathetic.

[Stephen Eisel]

War sucks and people die

Stephen


Cool, so tough, why not, have to scramble a eggs to really screw up the world...






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Bush is just the window dressing.. Alex Jones is just the red herring.. And some where out there is the truth...

[ryan costa]

If you aggregate America's outlooks on energy, the economy, foreign
policy, etc into one Vector it would go something like this: "The
dollar will never collapse because we won World War II and defeated
Saddam Hussein. We will never run too low on oil because we believe in
Jesus Christ and also got Israel's back just in case the old testament stuff is still important".

[Ivor Karabatkovic]

I found it not surprising that investigations on Iran showed that their nuclear program has been suspended since 2003!

Of course it doesn't get a mention in the press, but it made for a great read in my latest issue of TIME.

Iran does have the power to send rockets into neighboring Israel, which (I think) is the reason the US thinks they're a threat.

The bottom line is that Ahmadinejad or whatever his name is is a nutcase and shouldn't be trusted. But it's funny that the government has been warning the public about how Iran is going to start sending Nuclear rockets our way and we should all panic and hide in our underground shelters, or go with the second option which is to consider attacking Iran.

WMD in Iraq that weren't there....Nuclear Program that hasn't been used since 2003 and yet the Bush administration is saying they're a major nuclear threat...it's all too familiar and coincidental to me.

We strike Iran and then we have two Iraq's on our list of problems. Add that the US is already disliked in the Middle East (and around the Globe), we will easily become the worlds worst enemy.

I don't think people here in the US realize that how much the world dislikes this administration's way of doing things. The public is blind, numb and brain washed; so much that they don't even care that the world hates them because after all what does the world have to offer us? We are the United States of America, and we could be on our own planet and be a perfectly function country.

There is one person we can thank for that, the person who wasn't elected president in the first place and yet somehow has controlled the White House and the Constitution for the past 8 years.

[David Lay]

The bottom line is that Ahmadinejad or whatever his name is is a nutcase and shouldn't be trusted.

You mean Ahmanutjob

[Bret Callentine]

Since you asked, I'm still fine with our diplomatic measures in the middle east, although I wish we would stop playing ball with Saudi Arabia.

Okay, so just to get the scorecard straight...

intel telling us that Iraq has WMD's = 0% accurate and utterly worthless
intel from the same sources telling us that Iran has no nuclear capabilities = 100% accurate and completely priceless

Either way, Bush is a liar.

Wasn't the new congress supposed to do something about this guy?

i guess i'm a little confused.

[Stephen Eisel]

Iran does have the power to send rockets into neighboring Israel, which (I think) is the reason the US thinks they're a threat.

I think that Shihab or Shahab can travel up to 1,000 km. The Iranians also put a rocket into space earlier this year or reported that they did..

[Phil Florian]

Since you asked, I'm still fine with our diplomatic measures in the middle east, although I wish we would stop playing ball with Saudi Arabia.

Okay, so just to get the scorecard straight...

intel telling us that Iraq has WMD's = 0% accurate and utterly worthless
intel from the same sources telling us that Iran has no nuclear capabilities = 100% accurate and completely priceless

Either way, Bush is a liar.

Wasn't the new congress supposed to do something about this guy?

i guess i'm a little confused.

Actually, the intel in Iraq was that there wasn't any WMD's. Bush just chose to ignore that fact.

The new intel on Iran is oddly double edged. It proves that they DID have nuclear weapon intention and could power up and make progress in just a few years. This is scary stuff. It actually validates concerns about Iran, not lessens them. Iran has said "we have no intention of making nuclear weapons" and now we have stronger intel to show that they did...but buckled under economic pressure. Which shows that it can be a successful tactic.

Too bad Bush and Co. are so dead set on getting us a third fightin' war before he leaves office. This is the lovely double edged nature of the intel because now he has no reason to take us into Iran right now. On one hand he was right to be concerned, bully for him, but he is also wrong that there is no immediate threat of nuclear holocaust coming from Iran, so bully for us. Now they have to rely on good old fashioned diplomacy. Which he and his peeps are horrible at, but thankfully in just over a year they will be out.

Republican or Democrat, I have to say any change from these Cold War holdover in the Bush Admin will be welcome to not only the US but the world.

[Stephen Eisel]

Actually, the intel in Iraq was that there wasn't any WMD's. Bush just chose to ignore that fact.

Not according to the previous admin's intel...

[Justine Cooper]

The Chinese situation started long before Bush took office.. The subprime debacle started long before Bush took office. Some previous president, years ago, had a plan to increase home ownership in the US by 10%.. We have seen that failed plan blossom this year.. War sucks and people die... This is not the last war that this planet will see...


American Deaths from other wars:
1775-1783 American Revolution 4,435
1812-1815 War of 1812 2,260
1846-1848 Mexican War 13,283
1861-1865 Civil War 558,052
1898 Spanish American War 2,446
1914-1918 World War I 116,708
1939-1945 World War II 407,316
1950-1953 Korean Conflict 33,651
1957-1975 Vietnam Conflict 58,168
1991 Gulf War 293

Did you really say "war sucks and people die" like it is a video game? The wars you quoted have gone down in history for either noble and worthy causes, or for disasters that took thousands of lives, thousands (OK millions) of dollars, and resulted in nothing short of horror? We all know the truth about Vietnam and the results of the Korean War and the reasons we were there. Come on. How will the Iraq War go down in history? Regardless of how it ends now, it will always be the biggest failure of this country. The sacrifices so profound but for what result? You cannot compare this war to a Civil War that helped free slavery for crying out loud! Or to helping to end the Holocaust!!!!!!

I know some think it is noble to have an allegiance to the government regardless of what the government does or says. But I find it personally noble to have an allegiance to the average people of this country. And to be honest, the government has changed drastically since this country was formed. The days of Kennedy too, have been long over, moving toward civil rights and better ways. We have to be honest and that doesn't make one a communist. The government does not currently do what is in the best interest of the people.

If they did, they would not have allowed mercury in immunizations when they knew it was the second deadliest metal in the world. They would not allow BIG companies to dump dangerous chemicals into our water and land for tax write offs. They would not have allowed big paint companies to continue using lead in paint after they found thousands of children dying and with brain or learning disabilities as a result. They would not have allowed all those companies to outsource to third world countries and then bring toys back to our children condemned with toxic levels of lead. They would not allow companies to continue to manufacture food with hydrogenated oil when it is 100% linked to cancer and other ailments (yes Europe has outlawed this man-made extremely unhealthy and unsafe oil). They would not worry about legislation on people who are gay if they can or cannot marry, for religion reason, yet take all mention of God out of schools. The list goes on, but of course, they would not have our sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, friends and others fighting this war for lies.

I can call myself patriotic and believe in OUR country and helping OUR people, while still helping globally, not initiating wars globally, and not blindly believing everything I am told, when the evidence says something else entirely.

[Stephen Eisel]

Did you really say "war sucks and people die" like it is a video game?

Absolutely not!