Property Taxes - Senior Citizen

[Richard Baker]

As an independent observing the past Cuyahoga County, “Democrats” overwhelming voted to change from an elected property tax assessor to an appointed assessor office that is far removed from voters’ oversight is both disgusting and in conflict with democracy.

Why would Democrats give up their liberty and responsibility to oversee a county auditor, you may ask? It’s simple; they would trade their liberty for security in a notion that falsely promotes government knows best and is not corrupt. Who was behind this radical change, was it politicians and/or the bar association that promoted this solution to correct past corruption and move it to government control without the nuisance of democracy? Now we have the fox managing the hen house. The politicians, with a liberal indoctrination instead of an education, were looking for a gold goose's ability to fleece property owners. The majority of renters who think they are immune to the tax increases from property assessment and greedy school districts is typical of the ignorance from those that can’t achieve is pathetic.

Why you ask, would I bring up this subject? I met a fellow GI working in retail that when I challenged his age, I was delighted to find out I was a youngster at 76. He was 81 years old, and both of us served between the Korea and Vietnam conflicts. I ask him why was he working; his response reflects the lack of gratitude and respect by Democrats. He said his property tax; I will not name the city, in Cuyahoga County, has increased his property taxes from $6,000 to $18,000 in the last ten years for a two-bedroom ranch on the lake. For him and his wife to live out their lives in the home they owned for the past thirty years, he has to work full time. The typical phthalic Democrats attitude, if you can’t afford it in your senior years, move to the slums and they can be happy to fleece the new ignorant liberal generation in the name of socialism.

Democrats have strived to remove, veterans and senior citizens from their homes with their tax greed and corruption. Democrats don’t deserve these men and women’s service and protection afforded to them. Thank you for your service is not necessary or needed and it rings as hollow as the commitment by Democrats to veterans. The same people that rely on others to serve their county for their God, families, American values and keep them secure have an attitude is that they were being paid to do, so who cares.

Don’t even go to the crap that there is a property tax abatement for senior citizens and veterans [both should be the same], its a hollow POS that hasn’t been updated for generations. Yep, they will say, you can keep your home but you must choose between eating and medicine. Increase the welfare for immigrants with no skills or ambition, and deny your senior citizens thier due after all its the Democrat way.

[Michael Deneen]

No doubt there is corruption in the property tax system.
As I've pointed out in other threads, the increased tax assessments are a "win/win" for corrupt politicians like Budish, Summers, and O'Leary.

The county "wins" because they get a big slice of the increased revenue from the new assessments.
City officials also "win" because they can then brag that property values have increased during their term.

However, I find the tone of your post troubling.

For example, you mention "immigrants with no skills or ambition".
What exactly is this comment based on?
Where exactly are the "no skills and no ambition" immigrants coming from?
Where in the county do they live?
How did you go about ascertaining their skill and ambition levels?
How many of these immigrants are there in Cuyahoga County?

Please be very specific in your answers.

[Richard Baker]

[quote="Michael Deneen"]No doubt there is corruption in the property tax system.
As I've pointed out in other threads, the increased tax assessments are a "win/win" for corrupt politicians like Budish, Summers, and O'Leary.

The county "wins" because they get a big slice of the increased revenue from the new assessments.
City officials also "win" because they can then brag that property values have increased during their term.

However, I find the tone of your post troubling.

For example, you mention "immigrants with no skills or ambition".
What exactly is this comment based on?
Where exactly are the "no skills and no ambition" immigrants coming from?
Where in the county do they live?
How did you go about ascertaining their skill and ambition levels?
How many of these immigrants are there in Cuyahoga County?

Please be very specific in your answers.[/quote]

Tone, it appears you never were a grunt with drill Sargent talking niceties. You can the demographics for the areas and groups if you want specific information. I'm sure all the immigrant doctors, engineers, craftsmen, skilled labor are coming to Cuyahoga County.

This is for 2014 nationally and I'm sure it's getting worse in the past five years:

No single program explains non-citizens' higher overall welfare use. For example, not counting school lunch and breakfast, welfare use is still 61 percent for non-citizen households compared to 33 percent for natives. Not counting Medicaid, welfare use is 55 percent for immigrants compared to 30 percent for natives.

Does that answer your question?

[michael gill]

Richard, nice use of the word "phthalic."

Your attempt at partisanship, however, reads as generalized anger.

You want seniors to be subsidized in the form of a property ax break? I don't mind the idea of giving tax relief to senior citizens. We give them all kinds of other support, and certainly rising property values (and with them, taxes) can be a burden if your income is fixed, or if it hasn't kept up with rising values. But local government hasn't generally been in the business of subsidizing seniors. You sound like a liberal, looking to create another dimension of the welfare state.

[ryan costa]

property prices are higher than the peak of the last bubble. So there is some fervor to re-assess values of all property at current bubble prices.
This would make it necessary to re-re-assess values when the current bubble bursts.
If all of the data is on excel spreadsheets the auditors can just hit the "Undo" button.

[Dan Alaimo]

Richard, nice use of the word "phthalic."

Your attempt at partisanship, however, reads as generalized anger.

You want seniors to be subsidized in the form of a property ax break? I don't mind the idea of giving tax relief to senior citizens. We give them all kinds of other support, and certainly rising property values (and with them, taxes) can be a burden if your income is fixed, or if it hasn't kept up with rising values. But local government hasn't generally been in the business of subsidizing seniors. You sound like a liberal, looking to create another dimension of the welfare state.

Richard frequently raises good points, but his unrestrained partisanship makes it hard for many of us to appreciate them.

[Richard Baker]

[quote="michael gill"]Richard, nice use of the word "phthalic."

Your attempt at partisanship, however, reads as generalized anger.

You want seniors to be subsidized in the form of a property ax break? I don't mind the idea of giving tax relief to senior citizens. We give them all kinds of other support, and certainly rising property values (and with them, taxes) can be a burden if your income is fixed, or if it hasn't kept up with rising values. But local government hasn't generally been in the business of subsidizing seniors. You sound like a liberal, looking to create another dimension of the welfare state.[/quote]

Angry, why would I be angry at a Democratic-run bastion like Cuyahoga County and their well-trained sheep that voted to exclude their oversight of property tax because they are inept and inert? Why would I be angry that a veteran has to work a full-time job at 81 to keep his two-bedroom ranch because an overpaid appointed good little Democrat that doesn’t live in the County raised his property taxes over 30 percent in the last assessment?

Angry, your damn right, because Democrats don't care if this man who severed his county or has to sell his property, they would rather support immigrants and illegal aliens including criminals and gang members. Illegal aliens to date this year alone has cost the US taxpayers over $200,000,000,000,000.

You claim I’m a scholiast because I don’t believe that senior citizen should force out of their homes due to Democrats socialism and deserve a property tax break after being extorted by the largest Ponzi scheme in the world, social security. In the meantime, Democrats promote the welfare funding of unskilled immigrants that want to join their economic slavery welfare system.

Do I support Republicans, not a chance, because they are as inert as the teats on a boar hog, but they are not a dumb as the jackass taking this county into insolvency like they did Detroit You never “walked the walk” and you will never understand the “talk the talk” with people that served in the military. The last thing most people that served in the military support is socialism because you are expected to carry your own weight. We are also fair to those that need defending and loyal to those that severed.

It appears you may not give a damn that senior citizens have to sell their homes due to high property taxes and consider them a causality of socialism to support those that refuse to work or come to this county legally and illegally for your welfare programs.

[michael gill]

If your friend severed his county, he probably ought to sell his property there, because it probably isn't doing him much good these days.

Also, I never called you a scholiast; you said that.

I really do appreciate your colorful language, Richard. Keep up the good work!

[Richard Baker]

[quote="michael gill"]If your friend severed his county, he probably ought to sell his property there, because it probably isn't doing him much good these days.

Also, I never called you a scholiast; you said that.

I really do appreciate your colorful language, Richard. Keep up the good work![/quote]

Cute, real cute, it must be challenging to live in a world when your perfect and have nothing to do but criticize spelling errors. I apologize that the error confused the little mind you have left due to the injury caused by you sitting on it. Perhaps I rely on spell check too much being 76 years old and too lazy to edit, but please point them out and continue to be the southern end of a northbound jackarse.

[michael gill]

Screw spell check, Richard, It's a horrible interference. The only things worse are auto-correct and auto-fill. They will put words in your fingers and mess you up every time.