My competitor in the Ward 2 race is distributing literature accusing me of being the "establishment candidate". He says it like it's a bad thing. In fact, I think I must thank him for the compliment. In any event, I have to ask:
1. What is the Lakewood establishment?
2. Is it bad to be a part of it?
3. If so, why?
I believe my opponent misspeaks . He was probably referring to me as being the "established" candidate. With that I heartily agree. I have been "established" as a Lakewood resident for over 12 years; I have been "established" as an attorney and business owner for 20 years; my family is "established" in the community - church, schools, community service. I am a lifelong resident "established" in Northeast Ohio.
The problem with my opponent's literature is that he never includes any information about HIMSELF. The reason is he doesn't want anyone to know that he has lived in Lakewood only two, maybe three years. I don't believe that is sufficient time to establish yourself in ANY community, and then seek to go straight to elected office.
I believe that what Lakewood needs at this time to meet its challenges is an established candidate, and if that means working within the "establishment", so be it.
What Lakewood needs in Ward 2 is a neighbor, not a newcomer.
Dan Shields
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Dan:
Let's be clear Tom Bollock is a neighbor as you are.
Lakewood is a city with a churning population.
Believing Bollock represents a brain gain for the city, smarts with ability to deliver fresh insight, I encouraged him to run.
I contend the churn needs a rep with smarts, an ability to listen and intent for progress.
I contend the city needs to show it is open and saavy enough to make way for the brains and commitments that wash ashore from time to time.
From the start Bollock was committed enough to get involved in two smart and neighborly and innovative platforms: The Lakewood Observer and LEAF.
Bollock was there for the inception of these two projects. These contain both smart homies and brainy wash-ashores like Bullock and Chris Trapp and Lynn Roderman (and I could go on); these have done more for connecting persons to community action and intelligence than most other projects I've seen in town.
A case can be made that Lakewood needs to demonstrate capacity to incorporate new, smart and committed talent into its political apparatus.
Lakewood is fortunate that Bollock and you are running.
Savor the fact that you have a competitor who offers you the opportunity to define yourself against him.
Kenneth Warren
Let's be clear Tom Bollock is a neighbor as you are.
Lakewood is a city with a churning population.
Believing Bollock represents a brain gain for the city, smarts with ability to deliver fresh insight, I encouraged him to run.
I contend the churn needs a rep with smarts, an ability to listen and intent for progress.
I contend the city needs to show it is open and saavy enough to make way for the brains and commitments that wash ashore from time to time.
From the start Bollock was committed enough to get involved in two smart and neighborly and innovative platforms: The Lakewood Observer and LEAF.
Bollock was there for the inception of these two projects. These contain both smart homies and brainy wash-ashores like Bullock and Chris Trapp and Lynn Roderman (and I could go on); these have done more for connecting persons to community action and intelligence than most other projects I've seen in town.
A case can be made that Lakewood needs to demonstrate capacity to incorporate new, smart and committed talent into its political apparatus.
Lakewood is fortunate that Bollock and you are running.
Savor the fact that you have a competitor who offers you the opportunity to define yourself against him.
Kenneth Warren
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Oh and let's justify misleading (established - as in old and stuffy) and (endorsed democrat - as in "I didn't get the Lakewood dems endorsement so I'll show my support by regional groups).
Oh and by the way, Dan Shields also got the Cuy. County Dems. endorsement.
Assertions of higher intelligence of one candidate, as pronounced by "whom" is arrogant on the part of the assertor.
(Assertor is not a word - but the right to coin a word belongs to all).
Oh and by the way, Dan Shields also got the Cuy. County Dems. endorsement.
Assertions of higher intelligence of one candidate, as pronounced by "whom" is arrogant on the part of the assertor.
(Assertor is not a word - but the right to coin a word belongs to all).
"When I dare to be powerful -- to use my strength in the service of my vision, then it becomes less and less important whether I am afraid." - Audre Lorde
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I'm troubled as well by the mixed message that is sent about civic involvement and seniority. I hear complaints that it''s the same ol' individuals doing the same ol' things yet when someone comes in with the interest and ambition to commit themselves the criticism is that they don't have enough history here.
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Yet it is okay to assert that being a Lakewood reident for a long time is a bad thing?
Oh and why is Bollock putting out this stuff anyway? Shields isn't printing things knocking Bollock. Why does Bollock feel the need to "knock" his opponent?
Oh and why is Bollock putting out this stuff anyway? Shields isn't printing things knocking Bollock. Why does Bollock feel the need to "knock" his opponent?
"When I dare to be powerful -- to use my strength in the service of my vision, then it becomes less and less important whether I am afraid." - Audre Lorde
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Ms. Kinsella:
Who is making this assertion upon which this question is based:
"Yet it is okay to assert that being a Lakewood reident for a long time is a bad thing?"
If you could name a particular agent for any assertion prior to stating a broadly sweeping claim that lacks a particular agent, your statements and questions would obtain greater relevancy to me, if in fact, you are referring to me.
Kenneth Warren
Who is making this assertion upon which this question is based:
"Yet it is okay to assert that being a Lakewood reident for a long time is a bad thing?"
If you could name a particular agent for any assertion prior to stating a broadly sweeping claim that lacks a particular agent, your statements and questions would obtain greater relevancy to me, if in fact, you are referring to me.
Kenneth Warren
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Okay Ken, I was really trying to be nice but what the heck - you are the agent. You seem to jump right in when anyone criticizes your boi Bollock for trying to flame others.
Frankly, I do not feel the need to be relevant to you. I've seen your statemtents about people of lower economic status, of less than lily white credentials and let's see there was a statement about "illegitemate children".
You will be happy to know that I choose not to be associated with people who make statements like you have been for the last couple of weeks. I don't view myself as being better than anyone else.
As for those that do - get on with your own badselves.
Frankly, I do not feel the need to be relevant to you. I've seen your statemtents about people of lower economic status, of less than lily white credentials and let's see there was a statement about "illegitemate children".
You will be happy to know that I choose not to be associated with people who make statements like you have been for the last couple of weeks. I don't view myself as being better than anyone else.
As for those that do - get on with your own badselves.
"When I dare to be powerful -- to use my strength in the service of my vision, then it becomes less and less important whether I am afraid." - Audre Lorde
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Ms. Kinsella:
Associate with whomever you wish.
Let's be clear, however, putting words in a person's mouth is not "really trying to be nice."
I never asserted "that being a Lakewood reident for a long time is a bad thing."
I never made "Assertions of higher intelligence of one candidate."
Though you say: "I don't view myself as being better than anyone else," the logic of self-contradiction is evident to me when you are "really trying to be nice."
Perhaps that is why you can say in the communication process of the LO Deck: "Frankly, I do not feel the need to be relevant to you."
Kenneth Warren
Associate with whomever you wish.
Let's be clear, however, putting words in a person's mouth is not "really trying to be nice."
I never asserted "that being a Lakewood reident for a long time is a bad thing."
I never made "Assertions of higher intelligence of one candidate."
Though you say: "I don't view myself as being better than anyone else," the logic of self-contradiction is evident to me when you are "really trying to be nice."
Perhaps that is why you can say in the communication process of the LO Deck: "Frankly, I do not feel the need to be relevant to you."
Kenneth Warren
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Ken
Read your first post in this thread and tell me with a straight face that the casual reader would not come away with the impression that you think Bullock is a "brainier" candidate than Shields.
I do not live in the Ward so my only observation on the race is that the ward has two good candidates to choose from. I'm quite sure either one would make a good representative.
However, you imply that Bullock is smarter than Shields. If you don't see that, then I suggest that you are deceiving yourself as to your impartiality. If you support Bullock, thats wonderful, but don't be disingenuous and try to act impartial while assessing the supposed "smarts" of the two candidates.
Read your first post in this thread and tell me with a straight face that the casual reader would not come away with the impression that you think Bullock is a "brainier" candidate than Shields.
I do not live in the Ward so my only observation on the race is that the ward has two good candidates to choose from. I'm quite sure either one would make a good representative.
However, you imply that Bullock is smarter than Shields. If you don't see that, then I suggest that you are deceiving yourself as to your impartiality. If you support Bullock, thats wonderful, but don't be disingenuous and try to act impartial while assessing the supposed "smarts" of the two candidates.
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Believing Bollock represents a brain gain for the city, smarts with ability to deliver fresh insight, I encouraged him to run.
The above are your words not mine. This is indicative of the blanket statements you make.
And in the spirit of open and free communication, may I remind you that there are other people, besides you who do many things in the world that you may not be an expert on.
Oh and a good writer keeps in mind the audience they are speaking to, not the audience that they wish they had.
The above are your words not mine. This is indicative of the blanket statements you make.
And in the spirit of open and free communication, may I remind you that there are other people, besides you who do many things in the world that you may not be an expert on.
Oh and a good writer keeps in mind the audience they are speaking to, not the audience that they wish they had.
"When I dare to be powerful -- to use my strength in the service of my vision, then it becomes less and less important whether I am afraid." - Audre Lorde
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Grace:
There are different orders of intelligence, perceptions, applications of cognitive skills and political sensibilities that may or may not have affinities with a voter.
Dan Shields is a smart man. He's a lawyer. He served on the Charter Commission. That's smart. I respect him and his contributions.
I found objectionable the manner in which Dan raised the neighbor/newcomer issue. Just as he found the manner in which Bullock raised the establishment issue objectionable.
What I find smart others may find ignorant.
I believe Bollock is smart man. He holds a Masters in Classics from the University of London. Big deal. He landed in Lakewood during the Presidential election and decided to stay stayed and began making contributions to the city. That's smart.
I do not find Bollock's message divisive. When Dan posted something to the LO Deck to that effect, I felt compelled to put a Bollock sign on my lawn in Ward II.
Having spoken to Dan and Tom, I happen to think Bollock's got a clearer perception of quality of life offenses and safety strategies important to me and my family.
When people strike a homie line against newcomers who are intelligent, contributing and running for office, that message does not sound smart to me.
And I know Dan is smarter than that.
Perhaps the encoded campaign issue here is the link between perception of quality of life offenses and safety strategies and the establishment.
At least that's the way, my bad self is making sense of the codes in play - without having read the piece Dan referenced.
Kenneth Warren
There are different orders of intelligence, perceptions, applications of cognitive skills and political sensibilities that may or may not have affinities with a voter.
Dan Shields is a smart man. He's a lawyer. He served on the Charter Commission. That's smart. I respect him and his contributions.
I found objectionable the manner in which Dan raised the neighbor/newcomer issue. Just as he found the manner in which Bullock raised the establishment issue objectionable.
What I find smart others may find ignorant.
I believe Bollock is smart man. He holds a Masters in Classics from the University of London. Big deal. He landed in Lakewood during the Presidential election and decided to stay stayed and began making contributions to the city. That's smart.
I do not find Bollock's message divisive. When Dan posted something to the LO Deck to that effect, I felt compelled to put a Bollock sign on my lawn in Ward II.
Having spoken to Dan and Tom, I happen to think Bollock's got a clearer perception of quality of life offenses and safety strategies important to me and my family.
When people strike a homie line against newcomers who are intelligent, contributing and running for office, that message does not sound smart to me.
And I know Dan is smarter than that.
Perhaps the encoded campaign issue here is the link between perception of quality of life offenses and safety strategies and the establishment.
At least that's the way, my bad self is making sense of the codes in play - without having read the piece Dan referenced.
Kenneth Warren
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Hey now, as someone who studied Latin and Classical History at the University of Michigan, I can say that yes, I think that is a big deal.Kenneth Warren wrote: I believe Bollock is smart man. He holds a Masters in Classics from the University of London. Big deal.
I'm going for my MBA right now, but I'm seriously considering getting my Masters in Classics since that's where my true passion lies.
Ok...carry on with the rest of the conversation.
