FBI in Lakewood

Melissa Nelson · Post by **Melissa Nelson** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:54 pm

The FBI just left our house - they're going door to door asking if anyone heard anything last night around 2am because of a carjacking. But it seems strange the FBI would be involved in a crime that Lakewood police would usually take care of. Does anyone know anything?

I'm a little worried and feeling a little unsafe and nervous.

David Lay · Post by **David Lay** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:00 pm

http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_article.a ... ryid=66721

Charyn Compeau · Post by **Charyn Compeau** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:02 pm

north, south, east, or west?

I am on the west side and was up at 2 - but heard nothing unusual...

Always,
Charyn

David Lay · Post by **David Lay** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:08 pm

The PD says it was in the 2000 block, near Madison. Witnesses say the two assailants were black men, approx. 5'8", in their 20s. They may have fled in a blue or black minivan.

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2007/04 ... uring.html

Mark Crnolatas · Post by **Mark Crnolatas** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:01 pm

Melissa,
No reason to get too freaked out. My guess would be it most likely is just a matter of jurisdiction.

If who the FBI was looking for, has some connection with a crime from out of our state, then they have jurisdiction over the case. In other words, when a crime involves more than than one state, the FBI has the jurisdiction.

An example would be drugs. If a car known to be owned by some suspects who were being sought in some drug case in Michigan, but was spotted in Ohio, the Michigan State Police wouldn't come into Ohio necessarily. The FBI would take the case, being federal level, and allowed to cross state boundries, and investigate the case anywhere in the U.S.

There are other reasons the FBI might be involved, but matters of jurisdiction are fairly common.

Mark Allan Crnolatas

David Lay · Post by **David Lay** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 6:34 pm

Mark Crnolatas wrote: There are other reasons the FBI might be involved, but matters of jurisdiction are fairly common.

Mark Allan Crnolatas

Mark,

The FBI are involved because one of their agents was the victim of an attempted carjacking, and he was shot.

Rick Uldricks · Post by **Rick Uldricks** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:02 am

Mark Crnolatas wrote:Melissa,
No reason to get too freaked out. My guess would be it most likely is just a matter of jurisdiction.

If who the FBI was looking for, has some connection with a crime from out of our state, then they have jurisdiction over the case. In other words, when a crime involves more than than one state, the FBI has the jurisdiction.

An example would be drugs. If a car known to be owned by some suspects who were being sought in some drug case in Michigan, but was spotted in Ohio, the Michigan State Police wouldn't come into Ohio necessarily. The FBI would take the case, being federal level, and allowed to cross state boundries, and investigate the case anywhere in the U.S.

There are other reasons the FBI might be involved, but matters of jurisdiction are fairly common.

Mark Allan Crnolatas

Mark, I cannot believe you are minimizing this event. Are you crazy? THIS HAPPENED ON MY STREET!!! And it doesn't surprise me. I don't feel safe here anymore. Your example is ridiculous. Do you watch a lot of "Law And Order"?

According to today's PD, two men attempted to carjack and rob an FBI agent and his friend, the agent sped away but ended up being shot anyhow. What luck, the car these thugs decided to carjack was being driven by AN FBI AGENT!

Maybe this is the kind of exposure we need - an FBI agent shot by Lakewood gangstas - in order to finally get some laws and ordinances enforced around here.

Jim O'Bryan · Post by **Jim O'Bryan** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:25 am

Rick Uldricks wrote:Maybe this is the kind of exposure we need - an FBI agent shot by Lakewood gangstas - in order to finally get some laws and ordinances enforced around here.

Rick

I would argue this is not the exposure we need.

The exposure we need is these guys caught.

Mark and I have championed for years about citizens being very pro-active in Block Watches.

Listening to the scanner it would seem that many are starting to feel the same way calling in suspcious activity.

Lakewood, has got to go back to being the city, no criminal wants to even drive through.

Together, we can easily do that.

.

Mike Deneen · Post by **Mike Deneen** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:29 am

First and foremost, our thoughts and prayers should be with the victim. He certainly sounds like one tough fellow....able to drive himself to the hospital while shot. Let's all hope for a full and speedy recovery.

Suzanne Metelko · Post by **Suzanne Metelko** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:56 am

Jim,

What exactly do you want the neighbors of Wyandotte to do differently?
I have a dear friend who lives right in the middle of that block. She has lived there for twenty years. These neighbors have called the police, the building department and the mayor...and oh yeah, their Councilperson, wait for it....Seely. This has been a growing problem for years and now you've got mulitiple properties for sale because they are a block full of fear.

So, taxpayers should clean up graffitti, arm themselves against crime, and allow the city to manage without measure? Wow that's quite a plan. At the best you've given taxpayers a reason to cut Public Works, the Police, the council and the mayor.

Good luck with that.

Suzanne Metelko · Post by **Suzanne Metelko** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:58 am

And we still don't have an answer on the drug raid from two weeks ago that took place on the corner of Wyandotte. Police cars, dogs, people arrested, police tape, a reported shooting and no one wants to talk to the neighborhood about that.

These people are justifiably scared and angry. The city has failed them.

Rick Uldricks · Post by **Rick Uldricks** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:15 pm

Suzanne Metelko wrote:And we still don't have an answer on the drug raid from two weeks ago that took place on the corner of Wyandotte. Police cars, dogs, people arrested, police tape, a reported shooting and no one wants to talk to the neighborhood about that.

These people are justifiably scared and angry. The city has failed them.

OMIGAWD! What drug raid!!! I wasn't aware of this. WTF!!! What is going on!!! I don't want to lose a ton of money trying to sell my house in a bad market, but my family's safety comes first. The sad thing is - we have a nice house, we don't want to move, this USED to be a nice neighborhood.

Seriously, where can I find out more about this drug raid on Wyandotte?

Kenneth Warren · Post by **Kenneth Warren** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:17 pm

Suzanne:

You bring up an interesting point of either criminal coincidence or criminal nexus on Wyndotte.

Has anyone obtained the police report for the drug incident?

Wouldn't that report be a public record?

I've said it before, Police Levy, please....

Kenneth Warren

Mark Crnolatas · Post by **Mark Crnolatas** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 12:51 pm

I did not try to "minimize" a shooting. At the TIME I was writing that post, David Lay's postings did NOT appear on my browser, for reasons unknown to me, so at the time all I had to go on was some posts that did not explain the situation.
In absence of knowing what was going on, I explained how jurisdictions work. The wording of your post seemed to convey you did not know about jurisdictions and all I was trying to do was be helpful or more so, convey some insight and/or information in general.

Had I known any or all of these details that were not outlined in any post before mine, I would have responded differently. My sincere apologies for being a less than perfect human in a less than perfect world.

Mark Allan Crnolatas

DougHuntingdon · Post by **DougHuntingdon** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:36 pm

Police reports are supposed to be public record, but good luck getting a copy if you are not the media, a politician, an attorney, a major businessman, or someone whom the police fear/respect for whatever reason. Having said that, I am sure staff of the LO would be able to get a copy, since the LO is a major media force.

Doug

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