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Beajay Michaud
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Harassment at School

Post by Beajay Michaud »

We are having a problem at the high school. We have had many conversations with the House Two principal at LKWD HS. A young man was stocking our daughter, he was showing up in her classes (that he was not assigned to be in) showing up in her lunch room (that was not her lunch time). He wrote her letters asking her out tell how much he loved her. At the time she tossed out the letters. He pantsed :oops: her twice on school property. Nothing was done about that. Except handling it through peer mediation.

He has intimidated her on many occasions. Which both my husband and I would call or visit the school.


They caught him on video throwing jello on her during her lunch time, not his. We were left with no choice but to file a complaint against him with the Lakewood police department. (The school told us they couldn't do anything). There are charges filed against him with the County Juvenile Court. Apparently from my daughter and a few other girls complaints. He still walks around the hallways freely at the high school. He and some of his friends still harass my daughter daily. She has been punched from behind in the hallways, kicked and threatened.

The school now claims that that can't do anything until his pre-trail. - Any advise?


(Cont) Please bare with me I'm new to this.
Thanks, we are now at the point where it is going to trail. Both children have a no contact order against them. (They both have to have an escort walk them through the halls at school). If the school does not provide an escort they are in violation of the order as well. For three days this week the escort did not show up to walk my daughter to some of her classes. (If she is caught with out an escort she could be put on house arrest) I've had to call the prosecutors office each day. Now we are trying to obtain a lawyer to sue the school. (Its hard to find a lawyer that will go against the school system.) Something that could have been handled so simply is now so blow out of proportion. My daughter is suffering, we had to take her to a therapist. She feels like she is being treated like the one that has done something wrong. It so hard when she cries herself to sleep at night.

I found out about a group that is starting up. Its for parent that are having problems with the Lakewood School System. Their next meeting is May 19th. If anyone is interested I could give you the location. We are always stronger in numbers.

I did try talking to the Law Director of Lakewood. I talked to his assistant alot in great detail, never to him. I guess he didn't feel it was important enough to call me back. Maybe he will think that is important if we sue him too.

I don't really want to sue anyone. However things have got to change. In the school policies states...

. Assault/Harassment
A student shall not cause physical injury, sexual harm, or behave in such a way, which could cause physical injury to other persons. A student shall not intimidate, harass, coerce, or threaten other persons so as to cause them emotional, social, or physical distress. It is understood that violation of rules specific to individual schools, which are considered not so serious in nature as the above offenses, will result in less severe disciplinary action.

It took so many phone calls, meetings and finally legal action to get them to take notice. One of bigger and earlier questions his how could he so easily transfer into some of her classes, when it took me 4 months to change one of her classes. And that was only after I played tapes of the disruptions on the classroom for the Principal.

The young man is of Arabic Descent - We were told it was a cultural problem by the school at the start of this. He is a minor and shall remain nameless at this time. I do not want to make a racial or cultural issue of this. Plain and simple it is about a boy harassing a small girl both sexually and by intimidation. He is a bully in all sense of the word. School peer mediation is crap. No one wants to offend anyone - this has nothing to do with his race.

Ok I'm starting to ramble.
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Post by Mark Crnolatas »

You might want to repost this on the Local Discussion page. This is a problem in Lakewood, more so than "globally".
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Re: Herassment at School

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Beajay Michaud wrote:The school now claims that that can't do anything until his pre-trail. - Any advise?
Please drop me some contact information.

I would love to look into this for you.


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Post by Donald Farris »

Please note: This is a completely non-PC answer, but comes from my heart.

Don't leave your daughter in that environment.

My advice is find the money and pull her out of the situation. There are any of a number of affordable alternatives. In a perfect world you should not have to deal with this sort of thing and if sadly you were forced to face others administering would handle the situation differently. Use your current situation and ask prospective school administrators how they would deal with it.

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Post by Justine Cooper »

I can't believe what I am reading! What a nightmare for your daughter and you! I thought since Columbine schools were taking bullying and harassment MUCH more seriously! Are the police helping at all? If you pull her out, which you should, I would think legally the responsibility of financing an education for her would be the school's!! Our thoughts and prayers are definitely with you!

Do the parents know about this? Not that it will make a difference in every case. You HAVE to file sexual harassment charges if he pants your daughter! It is a whole different subject and the school has to respond or they are liable too. No one has a right to put their hands on your daughter ever.
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Post by Ivor Karabatkovic »

the harrasser will usually say "it was a joke" to bail himself out of it. but what people don't understand is that it's not if the harrasser think the joke or behavior was ok, it's if the victim thinks it's not ok. 99% of students don't understand that.

I hope this works out for you and your daughter, I know Dr.Wagner and others are good when it comes to acting on leads. I'm shocked to find that they can't do anything, when it's their legal obligation to do something about it.
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Re: Herassment at School

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Jim O'Bryan wrote:
Beajay Michaud wrote:The school now claims that that can't do anything until his pre-trail. - Any advise?
Please drop me some contact information.

I would love to look into this for you.


Jim O'Bryan



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Since Beajay told us about this, it would be interesting to know how it works out.

It's funny to hear administrators stand up tell us all about zero tolerance and then to see lots of it...

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Dee Martinez
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Post by Dee Martinez »

According to the story though the schools have instituted peer mediation and gotten the daughter an escort plus the young man is now facing criminal charges. So it doesnt look completely like though nothing was done.
The peer mediation for the pantsing incident seems appropriate to me and if it did gradually expand to true criminal harrassment /stalking then its true that it is out of the schools hands and becomes a police matter.
As much as I sympathize with the parents lets also remember that there is such a thing as due process and that there are different levels of crimes and punishment. The schools just cant throw a kid out or lock a kid up on another students say-so.
Lawyers may be not inclined to take the case because from what I see, there been attempts to deal with the situation. A lawyer would have to prove willful neglect and that doesnt seem to be the case there.
This is not to defend or condone harrassment of any type but occasionally parents forget that the other kid has some rights too in terms of a fair hearing, punishment that fits the crime, etc.
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Post by Justine Cooper »

When I went to school you got suspended for smoking a cig. in the bathroom. I am surprised that a suspension for ripping the pants off the girl wasn't immediate!!! No one said anything about throwing the kid out of school without proof, but it sounds like they had him on tape in her lunch period several times!!! It is nice to hear something is finally being done, but after how much harassment? And it is the school's responsibility first, if it happens there! When our children are in school, we expect the school to keep them safe! I also heard her escort didn't show up three times!!!

As for due process, this incident alone is enough for me to enroll my daughter in self-defense classes at a very young age! I will teach her if anyone touches her like that to "due process" him into next week with one kick!
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Post by Lynn Farris »

Dee you said:
The peer mediation for the pantsing incident seems appropriate to me and if it did gradually expand to true criminal harrassment /stalking then its true that it is out of the schools hands and becomes a police matter.
I believe the parent said this happened twice. I thought I was liberal and open minded. But isn't there any right or wrong anymore? Do we have to sit down and discuss whether or not it is a good idea for a boy not to pants a girl? I don't think we need peer mediation for this. Can't someone in authority say NO! You may not pull a girls pants down.

I thought we had a dress code and if kids had any writing on their clothes they were sent home. But you can pull a girls pants down and have peer mediation as to whether this is appropriate or not?

This has risen to such a crisis that this poor girl has to have an escort to class - and still we think peer mediation is needed - not telling this boy in no uncertain terms that he can't do this?

Justine, you and I are on the same page. I appreciate you comment about self defense. :)

At this point in the school year, perhaps the school will assist you in working something out with homeschooling for the rest of the year to keep your daughter safe or offering tutoring offsite. It seems a crime to me, that you are inconvienced for this boy's bad behavior - but keeping your daughter safe would seem to be critical. And hopefully by next fall this will be worked out.
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Post by Justine Cooper »

You know the other post about this girl failing her classes, I am now wondering is she failing because of this harassment? I hope not! But society seems to protect the attacker before the victim too often. While due process was happening, she continued to fail and cry herself to sleep at night. I really hope this gets straightened out and that this family gets the services and education they need.

I still think a civil suit is necessary. We all see what happens in the juvenile justice system. Send a message to his parents.
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Post by Mark Crnolatas »

In reading these posts, I too, wonder what happened to "the way it was".

The question is, what is the way it is going to be?

Btw. I thought it was established this is indeed a police matter?



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:shock:
Explain to me again why I should vote for financing the new schools.
Beajay Michaud
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Post by Beajay Michaud »

[quote="Dee Martinez"].
The peer mediation for the pantsing incident seems appropriate to me and if it did gradually expand to true criminal harrassment /stalking then its true that it is out of the schools hands and becomes a police matter.


From Bea:

I hope that you don't have any daughters that get pantsed in school or anywhere else. He did the pantsing after they were referred to peer mediation for the harraessment in the first place. Peer mediation only made it worse. - That is why we are going to court.
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Post by Mark Crnolatas »

In response to "send the parents a message", you have to assume the parents care. We had a series of apartments owned by a management company when we had the security/PI business. All of the complexes were quite large.

In one complex, you could send the parents any message you want, and it wouldn't serve any purpose.

They didn't care about anything. They were evicted monthly, and didn't care about that either. They would trash the apartments, (the parents I'm speaking of) while the teens were off who knows where, doing who knows what. The parents would get into fights nightly, and arrested. They didn't care about that either, since after being released they would drink or do drugs, and fight again, and get arrested again. Revolving door.

If their teens would steal a car or beat someone to death, they wouldn't care either. Many of us saw just that attitude. I think unless you've seen and experienced these type of people, it would be hard for some people to understand or even believe.

This was not in Cleveland by the way, but a suburb where you would think such things don't exist.

It's all a matter of circumstances, situations and who your dealing with.

The concept of making the parents responsible has merit, but like anything else, it would be a small tool to possibly help in some cases, but not a solution.

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