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Packed House For Presentation From LHA

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Packed house.

Report from Jared, who has been covering this, coming. No one understands it better,

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Lakewood Fire Chief Gillman makes his presentation.

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As the Mayor, Ken Haber and Jay Foran look on.

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Here is what the $500,000 Subsidium report proposed as a replacement for the Hospital:

• Wellness center/fitness center
• School-based counseling programs
• Behavioral health services, such as peer
counseling programs
• Personal health navigators
• Health advocates/health coaches, case
managers
• Physician subsidy programs
• Parks, walking trails, dog parks
• Health care pricing transparency tools
• Promotion of mobile/urgent care
services
• Health care pricing transparency tools
• Subsidies for in-home monitoring
devices
• Sophisticated data analytics and
research to drive investments in
evidence-based programs (e.g., hotspotting

Will the Clinic be closing their buildings on Detroit and Madison?

Who will pay for parking?

Will there be a facility fee?

What process was used to analyze the medical needs of Lakewood?


Can I get a copy of that report.

Why is it that Brunswick, population 32,000, needs a 180,000 square foot facility and Lakewood needs only a 65,000 square foot facility?

The $33 million in assets now held by the Foundation will be transferred to a new Foundation controlled by the Cleveland Clinic. Is that a good idea?

The new Foundation will spend the proceeds from this deal in "Lakewood and surrounding areas". Why is it good for Lakewood to spend the assets of the Lakewood Hospital Foundation to support the new facility in Avon?
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Bill Call wrote:Here is what the $500,000 Subsidium report proposed as a replacement for the Hospital:

• Wellness center/fitness center
• School-based counseling programs
• Behavioral health services, such as peer
counseling programs
• Personal health navigators
• Health advocates/health coaches, case
managers
• Physician subsidy programs
• Parks, walking trails, dog parks
• Health care pricing transparency tools
• Promotion of mobile/urgent care
services
• Health care pricing transparency tools
• Subsidies for in-home monitoring
devices
• Sophisticated data analytics and
research to drive investments in
evidence-based programs (e.g., hotspotting

Will the Clinic be closing their buildings on Detroit and Madison?

Who will pay for parking?

Will there be a facility fee?

What process was used to analyze the medical needs of Lakewood?


Can I get a copy of that report.

Why is it that Brunswick, population 32,000, needs a 180,000 square foot facility and Lakewood needs only a 65,000 square foot facility?

The $33 million in assets now held by the Foundation will be transferred to a new Foundation controlled by the Cleveland Clinic. Is that a good idea?

The new Foundation will spend the proceeds from this deal in "Lakewood and surrounding areas". Why is it good for Lakewood to spend the assets of the Lakewood Hospital Foundation to support the new facility in Avon?


Bill,

You do give me a few laughs with your persistence:
If you would understand anything, observe its beginning and its development.
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Scott Meeson wrote:Bill,

You do give me a few laughs with your persistence:



Just think of all of my efforts as the sound of one hand clapping.

:D
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Bill Call wrote:
Scott Meeson wrote:Bill,

You do give me a few laughs with your persistence:



Just think of all of my efforts as the sound of one hand clapping.

:D



Scott/Bill

The sound of one hand clapping is better than no hand clapping.

When a deal comes down that no one can explain, or is not willing to explain, one should stop to check it out.

When people vote on something they do not fully understand, one should pause and look.

When a group is paid $500,000+ Dollars to see if the hospital is feasible, and they
leave at least three massive things on the table. Example VA looking for West Side Facility (there are the 1,200 jobs)
and instead come up with dog runs and welll what was desired by those in power before the study.
One should stop pause and say WTF?

When a City hires a Crisis Management team, the City should ask Why?

The more I dig, the more it bothers me.

Lakewood will need the Health Care Center, that I know. How big, no idea way above my pay grade.

I will always wonder why the biggest change to hit Lakewood in 50 years was done secretly behind closed doors.

I do not understand why when the City sells off a City asset, money is diverted to a yet unnamed non-profit
run by a friend of the mayor.

The deal is just screwy, no wonder The Clinic played them as they did.

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Bill Call wrote:Why is it that Brunswick, population 32,000, needs a 180,000 square foot facility and Lakewood needs only a 65,000 square foot facility?


It has nothing to do with # of people. It has everything to do with average household income and how healthcare services are renumerated.
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Bill Call wrote:Can I get a copy of that report.


If the report was paid for with taxpayer dollars, you had BETTER have access to the report.
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Peter Grossetti wrote:
Bill Call wrote:Why is it that Brunswick, population 32,000, needs a 180,000 square foot facility and Lakewood needs only a 65,000 square foot facility?


It has nothing to do with # of people. It has everything to do with average household income and how healthcare services are renumerated.


That's an excellent point.

I suppose to the average Lakewood resident the most important issue is the destruction of Lakewood Hospital and the looting of the Lakewood Hospital Foundation.

However, the more important long term issue is the Cleveland Clinics business model.

The model is:

Destroy the independent doctors practice.
Monopolize public health
Transfer jobs and economic activity out of Cuyahoga County
Leave behind a poorer and less well served County
which
increases out migration, dilutes economic growth, impoverishes whole communities and ultimately
Weakens the Cleveland Clinic and leaves it the also ran in the health care industry

If you get all of your news from the Plain Dealer and local TV news outlets you wouldn't even know the Clinic has a business model.

Here is a handy site from the State of Ohio:

http://www.tax.ohio.gov/tax_analysis/ta ... 2TY12.aspx

Lakewood is about in the middle for average income but the City has about $1.3 billion in average federal adjusted gross income.
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Bill Call wrote:
Peter Grossetti wrote:
Bill Call wrote:Why is it that Brunswick, population 32,000, needs a 180,000 square foot facility and Lakewood needs only a 65,000 square foot facility?


It has nothing to do with # of people. It has everything to do with average household income and how healthcare services are renumerated.


That's an excellent point.

I suppose to the average Lakewood resident the most important issue is the destruction of Lakewood Hospital and the looting of the Lakewood Hospital Foundation.

However, the more important long term issue is the Cleveland Clinics business model.



Bill

In one breath you say, we cannot stop this deal, and in the next ask us to sign on to changing the Clinic's business model?

I think the biggest adjustment everyone needs to make is that hospitals, right or wrong, are businesses.

We can argue their non-profit structure, but it will not change either.

One of the eye-openers of this process was finding out that the medical Biz is the largest lobbying group in Washington.

FWIW

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I believe it was the Mayor's and Council's decisions to keep the city partnership with the Cleveland Clinic. Cleveland Clinic leases this land from the city of Lakewood which means that all the taxpayers are the clinic's landlords. I think we should let the clinic leave after they pay the city the remaining balance in full for their lease ending in 2026. Other healthcare facilities have backed off from any deal making since the Mayor appears to have made it clear to them that the clinic will stay. Much to the Mayor's chagrin, this is not a dictatorship. All deals should be on the table, not just Mayor Summer's and Toby Cosgrove's. What does city council do? They just say "I" sir and let it happen. There will be an election coming this November. Some of us need to consider running for Council or for Mayor. These people have got to go. They appear to be like a slow-acting poison. If we permit them to continue with what appears to be aiding and abetting the mayor in the demise of Lakewood, we have no one to blame but ourselves.
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Lori, I could not agree with you more. Summers, Siley and Madigan are running this town like it's their own private club. Enough. Where is City Council ? How about showing some guts and letting your constituents/neighbors know where you stand. There are no innocent bystanders when the likes of Summers, Siley and Madigan are willing to mislead and manipulate to achieve an end. As an aside when is the next public meeting on this . Thanks . Mark.
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Hi Mark,

Tomorrow evening (March 12th) at 8:00 P.M., there is a Committee of The Whole Meeting at City Hall. State Senator Michael Skindell and Dr. Kilroy will be speaking to City Council about the closing of Lakewood Hospital. These two are not in favor of it closing.

Also, this Saturday (March 14th) at 4:00 P.M., there is a meeting of the "Save Lakewood Hospital" group in the multipurpose room of the main library on Detroit. All are welcome at these meetings and they are a good opportunity to gain knowledge of what is happening. Hope to see you there.
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Lori Allen _ wrote:Hi Mark,

Tomorrow evening (March 12th) at 8:00 P.M., there is a Committee of The Whole Meeting at City Hall. State Senator Michael Skindell and Dr. Kilroy will be speaking to City Council about the closing of Lakewood Hospital. These two are not in favor of it closing.

Also, this Saturday (March 14th) at 4:00 P.M., there is a meeting of the "Save Lakewood Hospital" group in the multipurpose room of the main library on Detroit. All are welcome at these meetings and they are a good opportunity to gain knowledge of what is happening. Hope to see you there.



Lori

I sat down with members of "Save Lakewood Hospital" this week and did a data dump. We have been working on this
story since last September.

No matter what, the era of secrecy in Lakewood Government must come to an end.

While some claim they are legally right, morally they are in the gutter, and had they had worked as hard at explaining
the situation to the people that voted them in, as checking laws and having secret meetings at Westwood Country Club
we would not be in this position yet again.

In the middle of a staged production to make Lakewood think something other than the truth.

12 years ago we started this project because of lack of transparency and honesty at City Hall. After the Tom
George administration it has gotten worse and worse and worse and worse.

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Lori, Thanks for the information. I will not be going to tonight's Committee of the Whole, the last time I attended a Committee of the Whole Mayor Summers promised the residents of Grace that he would convene all parties involved for further discussion after Drug Mart's traffic study was completed. That was a promise he turned around and broke at the Planning Commission ambush concerning that traffic study. I share this so that those who attend tonight's Committee of the Whole understand that nothing Mayor Summers or Mr. Siley say should be taken at face value. We will try to attend the Saturday meeting. Mark.
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