extension on the deal???

[christopher dan]

i heard the there was an extension on the deal for the hospital. when is the city actually suppose to vote? in jan they said it was 90 days...so is the extension another 90 days? what the scoop? can the citizens vote? or is it just the council

[Bill Call]

The time to decide will be extended.

However, the deal itself will not be altered in any meaningful way.

The Clinic has spent at least 10 years deliberately degrading service at the hospital with the intent to leave behind an outdated facility without customers. Their original plan was to stay until 2026 and then walk away. The Hospital Board and Foundation decided to accelerate the timeline and the Clinic was happy to agree.

At this point the Hospital is he hemorrhaging money and customers. The Clinic, Foundation and the Board know this already. Time is on their side.

The time to fight the Clinic and its puppets on the Board was 10 years ago. Now it's too late. If you need any medical care beyond treatment for a stubbed toe you will be forced to go to Avon.

and that's the way it is.

[Peter Grossetti]

can the citizens vote?

Ask Law Director Butler to explain the referendum voting process to you.

Referendums are an expression of direct democracy ... rather than legislating and "governing" via an elected body such as city council.

[marklingm]

can the citizens vote?

Ask Law Director Butler to explain the referendum voting process to you.

Referendums are an expression of direct democracy ... rather than legislating and "governing" via an elected body such as city council.

Peter and Christopher,

The residents can start by holding Mayor Michael P. Summers and City Council Members accountable at elections and reelections, or even recalls.

Matt

[marklingm]

The time to fight the Clinic and its puppets on the Board was 10 years ago. Now it's too late. ***

and that's the way it is.

So true, Bill!

While folks on the Deck were calling you crazy over the past decade, "City Hall and Friends" hid in the shadows.

Even now, folks can't bring themselves to believe that "City Hall and Friends" have been misleading residents about the Lakewood Hospital.

As written by Jim O'Bryan:

SIDE NOTE - Since this story broke, many people have told me they were amazed that [Bill Call] and [Matt] Markling were right. I mentioned yeah, funny they told the truth, and City Hall lied, but Markling and Call are vilified. "Well they are not very nice when they tell the truth."

The City of Lakewood where nice lies are respected more than hard facts. I don't get it.

http://www.lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13212

... and that's the way it is.

Matt

[Jim O'Bryan]

The time to fight the Clinic and its puppets on the Board was 10 years ago. Now it's too late. ***

and that's the way it is.

So true, Bill!

While folks on the Deck were calling you crazy over the past decade, "City Hall and Friends" hid in the shadows.

Even now, folks can't bring themselves to believe that "City Hall and Friends" have been misleading residents about the Lakewood Hospital.

As written by Jim O'Bryan:

SIDE NOTE - Since this story broke, many people have told me they were amazed that [Bill Call] and [Matt] Markling were right. I mentioned yeah, funny they told the truth, and City Hall lied, but Markling and Call are vilified. "Well they are not very nice when they tell the truth."

The City of Lakewood where nice lies are respected more than hard facts. I don't get it.

http://www.lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13212

... and that's the way it is.

Matt

Matt

The problem as I see it is a ton of bad information out there. Bad information is easy to
discredit with slighter worse news or good news. So the constant flood of "losing hospital
to avon" somewhat deadens the facts on the deal, which are sitting out there.

This deal could easily be stopped, and I know at least one group going for the referendum,
but by the time they get it together, if ever the city will have pushed through.

Diffusion, will not stop it though, neither will shotguns.

.

[marklingm]

The problem as I see it is a ton of bad information out there. Bad information is easy to discredit with slighter worse news or good news. So the constant flood of "losing hospital to avon" somewhat deadens the facts on the deal, which are sitting out there.

Well, when the folks who have the information aren't sharing the information, what do you expect?

Let's see all the documents and all the facts.

Why just let them sit out there?

Let's see them.

I don't see "City Hall and Friends" sharing all the documents and facts with us ... I'm not sure they are even sharing all the documents and facts with members of City Council.

What have "City Hall and Friends" shared with David Anderson?

What have "City Hall and Friends" shared with Sam O'Leary?

What have "City Hall and Friends" shared with Cindy Marx?

This deal could easily be stopped, and I know at least one group going for the referendum, but by the time they get it together, if ever the city will have pushed through.

Then, how?

Diffusion, will not stop it though, neither will shotguns.

Then, how?

[christopher dan]

I guess im still a bit confused?...when is the official deal suppose to be signed? I know city council has to sign off on things, when is that ? no one really answered my question.



to reply to this----At this point the Hospital is he hemorrhaging money and customers. The Clinic, Foundation and the Board know this already. Time is on their side.



from working at the hospital and being on the inside...i can say that sure, some days are a bit slower, but we are pretty busy and for the most part sit between 170-200 patients at any given time....see the problem and technicalities lie in this. If a person is admitted to the hospital , and stay less then 24 hours they fall into a category known as "observation" if they are in longer then a day, then it is considered an admittance. so i think the semantics are a bit off in terms of numbers......anyways September 2016 is a long way off and i hope something positive happens with all of this

[Jim O'Bryan]

I guess im still a bit confused?...when is the official deal suppose to be signed? I know city council has to sign off on things, when is that ? no one really answered my question.



to reply to this----At this point the Hospital is he hemorrhaging money and customers. The Clinic, Foundation and the Board know this already. Time is on their side.



from working at the hospital and being on the inside...i can say that sure, some days are a bit slower, but we are pretty busy and for the most part sit between 170-200 patients at any given time....see the problem and technicalities lie in this. If a person is admitted to the hospital , and stay less then 24 hours they fall into a category known as "observation" if they are in longer then a day, then it is considered an admittance. so i think the semantics are a bit off in terms of numbers......anyways September 2016 is a long way off and i hope something positive happens with all of this

Dan

The offer has been extended through June, as the Clinic has indicated, it has a contract
now, so this was their offer to get out on the Mayor's time frame. When a contract is
opened it is opened in its entirety.

At the same time there is one group working on a referendum for the ballot, with State
Senator Mike Skindell working with them. This would be a group that believes no matter
what, the people of Lakewood deserve the right to vote on their hospital. Hard to argue
with that thought process.

My bet right now would be on this not happening by June either if at all.

.

[Bill Call]

Well, when the folks who have the information aren't sharing the information, what do you expect?

Let's see all the documents and all the facts.

Why just let them sit out there?

Let's see them.

There's the rub.

At the first public meeting officials stated that the opening of the Avon Family Health Center and Avon Hospital had nothing to do with the closing of Lakewood Hospital.

How can we believe them when they start out with a lie?

I had a short conversation with a friend over the weekend about Lakewood Hospital. He knows some people on the Foundation board and was taken aback by my comment that they failed in their duty to the citizens of Lakewood. He thought the Clinic was dealing in bad faith for 10 years or longer and there was little the board could do.

I agreed with his statement about the Clinic. I disagreed with his support of the Board. The bottom line is that the Board failed. It's time to thank them for their service, give them a nice plaque and send the packing.

My friend also mentioned that he thought the proposed Lakewood Family Health Center was the Clinic's first low ball offer. I disagreed with him on that as well.

It is odd that for all of the so called "communication" going on very little has actually been communicated.

Like:

The Foundation proposes to spend any proceeds from the Clinic, sale of City assets and current Foundation assets in "Lakewood and surrounding areas".

So.. here is my question for the Board:

Just what is the surrounding area and why should the sale of a Lakewood asset be used to finance development in Avon? Westlake? Beyond?

My advice to the Hospital Board and Foundation Board is best summed up by Cromwell's words to the Rump Parliament:

"You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go! "