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I Sit Down With The Lakewood Hospital Foundation

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Ken Haber, second from the right cuts the ribbon on a new wing

Two days ago, I met with the Lakewood Hospital Foundation...

Here is what I walked away with...



I had the pleasure, and I do mean pleasure, of spending some time with Ken Haber, President of the Lakewood Hospital Foundation, Kristin Broadbent, CFRE Executive Director, Lakewood Hospital Foundation and Jill Arslanian, from the Ardent Communications Group.

I have known Ken and Kathy Haber for a long time, and always enjoy running into them at functions, meetings and Lakewood events. Kristin I have had the pleasure of knowing and working with on many things with the Lakewood Hospital Foundation since we started the Lakewood Observer, and the Lakewood Hospital Foundation is one of the many charities we support throughout the year. So it was nice to sit down and talk about the Lakewood Hospital Foundation and what was their future. 



Ken made it clear from the very start no questions were off the table, with one exception, that “this was a meeting to discuss the Lakewood Hospital Foundation, not the Hospital Deal, or Hospital Board” which Ken also sits on. Which was fine. Since the story broke I have not seen Ken around. It would be refreshing to hear Ken’s comments, which started with, “Let’s correct some misinformation…”



The Lakewood Hospital Foundation is a non-profit started to raise funds exclusively to support various programs, services and activities of the Lakewood Hospital, and to help address health needs through their association with the Lakewood Hospital and the surrounding areas. That the fund which totals roughly $33,000,000 is made up of various accounts restricted and not restricted. Restricted is money contributed to the Lakewood Hospital Foundation for various reasons. This is usually given as an outright donation or left in a Will, such as XXXX money towards rehabilitation services…, XXXX amount to help with Diabetes management programs, etc. Unrestricted is money raised through a variety of means from Wills and donations without stipulation.

The largest chunk of unrestricted money that they control is $14 million. Another $8 million is permanently restricted by donors for endowment, which means only the interest/income from the fund can support the hospital. There is also another $9 million restricted where the Foundation has a beneficial interest in funds held by outside trustees. This leaves about $2 million in temporarily restricted funds for specific hospital programs and services. $33 million.



I asked Ken what the plans were for this money, and his response was, well we are looking at many options available legally to us. In the State of Ohio, Foundations have a wide variety of latitude that spans from dissolving the Foundation, to repurposing the Foundation. No matter what is decided, donors, executors, and/or trustees of permanently restricted dollars should be found, and given an explanation of what the Foundation is doing, and then those donors have to approve it if they want to continue with LHF or not.
This could take months to get done. As you can imagine, many donors have passed on, as have their executors!

Whatever the outcome, Ken was sure that their focus would be health and wellness connected with Lakewood and the surrounding area. I asked, “Surrounding area?” and Ken mentioned that many of those who supported LHF during its 58 year history were from out of the city, so a wider net will need to be cast.



As for the structure it gets even more confusing, if you let it. The LHF funds are counted with Lakewood Hospital Association funds (LHA, the Hospital Board) because of accounting rules, that state simply, LHF funds were raised exclusively to supplement LHA funds, so LHA must report them.

Another interesting thing to come out of this discussion was, “THE LAKEWOOD HOSPITAL FOUNDATION HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORK DONE BY THE LAKEWOOD HOSPITAL ASSOCIATION.

All of the negations were done by the LHA, that Ken sits on, but it was not until they got a copy of the LOI on January 8, that Ken informed the staff and the Foundation Trustees, who voted on January 13, to give Ken the ability to sign off on the deal, as while they were not in on the discussion, they certainly are affected by the outcome.



So there you have it, LHF, $33 million, looking for a way to make it all work, and to keep the money within the Foundation while they redefine their purpose and future.

* The facts presented in this have been signed off on by the LHF.
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Next time you should sit down with Ken Haber of the Hospital Board to get some in depth answers. Or bring a change of hats for him.

Though I appreciate you taking the time and sitting down with this group, you had to know going into it that you were sitting down with the wrong group to get the right answers.

I look forward to seeing how they reallocate the funding while keeping the money in the community.

Is it, or has it always been, a conflict of interest, in your opinion, to have Haber in charge of the money being allocated to his own organization? In essence, he is raising money as a non-profit and putting it in his for-profit pocket. Sounds like a sweet deal. Sounds like the Treasurer is married to the President, usually bad things happen - or at least they are visualized that way.

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Corey Rossen wrote:Next time you should sit down with Ken Haber of the Hospital Board to get some in depth answers. Or bring a change of hats for him.

Though I appreciate you taking the time and sitting down with this group, you had to know going into it that you were sitting down with the wrong group to get the right answers.

I look forward to seeing how they reallocate the funding while keeping the money in the community.

Is it, or has it always been, a conflict of interest, in your opinion, to have Haber in charge of the money being allocated to his own organization? In essence, he is raising money as a non-profit and putting it in his for-profit pocket. Sounds like a sweet deal. Sounds like the Treasurer is married to the President, usually bad things happen - or at least they are visualized that way.

Corey


Corey

I talked with the mayor and after the story, and had a great conversation. Ken called, and I have
been a supporter of LHF, and was happy to sit down with him. I am hoping other players come to
the table, but it really doesn't change the facts we present.

I hope people notice the only "issue" is if Jay Foran told others about Active Living Whatever.

The public has very little if any control over the Foundation, and in the State of Ohio laws are
pretty loose.

As for the conflict of interest you cannot apply "logic" to it. The rules are almost the complete
opposite for "interlocking boards." In my mind it doesn't it make right, and even those laws are
being stretched as far as they can. But, you need to understand, it is encouraged in non-profits.

We shall see how it sorts out.

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Jim O'Bryan wrote:
Corey Rossen wrote:Next time you should sit down with Ken Haber of the Hospital Board to get some in depth answers. Or bring a change of hats for him.

Though I appreciate you taking the time and sitting down with this group, you had to know going into it that you were sitting down with the wrong group to get the right answers.

I look forward to seeing how they reallocate the funding while keeping the money in the community.

Is it, or has it always been, a conflict of interest, in your opinion, to have Haber in charge of the money being allocated to his own organization? In essence, he is raising money as a non-profit and putting it in his for-profit pocket. Sounds like a sweet deal. Sounds like the Treasurer is married to the President, usually bad things happen - or at least they are visualized that way.

Corey





Corey

I talked with the mayor and after the story, and had a great conversation. Ken called, and I have
been a supporter of LHF, and was happy to sit down with him. I am hoping other players come to
the table, but it really doesn't change the facts we present.

I hope people notice the only "issue" is if Jay Foran told others about Active Living Whatever.

The public has very little if any control over the Foundation, and in the State of Ohio laws are
pretty loose.

As for the conflict of interest you cannot apply "logic" to it. The rules are almost the complete
opposite for "interlocking boards." In my mind it doesn't it make right, and even those laws are
being stretched as far as they can. But, you need to understand, it is encouraged in non-profits.

We shall see how it sorts out.

.


I can appreciate the fact that you are a fan and supporter of LH Foundation, but that is not the real issue here.

The public's control or issues with the LH Foundation is also not in question.

You are avoiding the elephant in the room by mentioning the LH Foundation.

You are attempting to tackle the large issue but shooting at the wrong target.

Corey
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Corey Rossen wrote:You are avoiding the elephant in the room by mentioning the LH Foundation.

You are attempting to tackle the large issue but shooting at the wrong target.


Which is?

The Lakewood Hospital Foundation was founded to serve Lakewood Hospital. I have to question the competence of the people at the Foundation who had no idea that the hospital they were tasked to support was scheduled for demolition.

While I'm at it I also have to question the honesty and competence of the people on the Hospital Board who never thought to consult the Foundation, City or people of Lakewood before making the decision to destroy Lakewood Hospital.
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Bill Call wrote:
Corey Rossen wrote:You are avoiding the elephant in the room by mentioning the LH Foundation.

You are attempting to tackle the large issue but shooting at the wrong target.


Which is?

The Lakewood Hospital Foundation was founded to serve Lakewood Hospital. I have to question the competence of the people at the Foundation who had no idea that the hospital they were tasked to support was scheduled for demolition.

While I'm at it I also have to question the honesty and competence of the people on the Hospital Board who never thought to consult the Foundation, City or people of Lakewood before making the decision to destroy Lakewood Hospital.


[/quote]

Which is?

[/quote]
Losing the hospital.

Bill, a sports analogy that reminds me of this interview:

The NFL combines just concluded and Draft Day is coming up so Bill Call sat down with the coaching staff of the Cleveland Cavaliers to see who the Cleveland Browns will pick....
It is great to name drop, all impressive names, but one panel cannot answer questions who are more suited for the other.

[/quote]
I have to question the competence of the people at the Foundation who had no idea that the hospital they were tasked to support was scheduled for demolition. [/quote]

I would hope that people like Ken Haber, who serve on both boards would be aware of what the other hand is doing. If not, why is someone like Ken Haber favoring one hand over the other?

[/quote]
While I'm at it I also have to question the honesty and competence of the people on the Hospital Board who never thought to consult the Foundation...[/quote]

I would hope that people like Ken Haber, who serve on both boards would be aware of what the other hand is doing. If not, why is someone like Ken Haber favoring one hand over the other?

Corey
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Corey, Bill

Why did I talk with the Lakewood Hospital Foundation?

Because they set up a meeting.

I talk to damn near anyone, even you two.

The Mayor called, we talked, the Foundation called we talked. If the Board calls we will talk, though
I have already spoke to about 1/4 of them. As with most groups there is an official spokesperson
and I would LOVE to spend time with them.

I have a couple questions for them.

But to be honest, very little of what will be said will change anything.

It's now up to the City, do we want a City Hall that leads with lies and coverups, favoring
business needs over residents needs. OR do we want an honest government that cares about
the residents first and foremost.

The choice has never been clearer.

LAST NIGHT Cindy Marx, Sam O'Leary, and David Anderson fought for honesty and transparency.
Will they be rewarded, or will the candidates being readied in the wings to run against these
honest public servants be favored?

This City is once again at the crossroads.

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Jim O'Bryan wrote:LAST NIGHT Cindy Marx, Sam O'Leary, and David Anderson fought for honesty and transparency.


Jim,

Details, please.


Jim O'Bryan wrote:Will they be rewarded, or will the candidates being readied in the wings to run against these honest public servants be favored?


Depending on the details ... and actions ... they should be rewarded.

And, "City Hall and Friends" already have their "candidates" and "minions" ready to attack.


Jim O'Bryan wrote:This City is once again at the crossroads.



This City has always been at the crossroads!

It's just that most folks don't care when someone else is being run over by those driving the "City Hall and Friends" train.

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Jim O'Bryan wrote:Corey, Bill

Why did I talk with the Lakewood Hospital Foundation?

Because they set up a meeting.

I talk to damn near anyone, even you two.

The Mayor called, we talked, the Foundation called we talked. If the Board calls we will talk, though
I have already spoke to about 1/4 of them. As with most groups there is an official spokesperson
and I would LOVE to spend time with them.

I have a couple questions for them.

But to be honest, very little of what will be said will change anything.

It's now up to the City, do we want a City Hall that leads with lies and coverups, favoring
business needs over residents needs. OR do we want an honest government that cares about
the residents first and foremost.

The choice has never been clearer.

LAST NIGHT Cindy Marx, Sam O'Leary, and David Anderson fought for honesty and transparency.
Will they be rewarded, or will the candidates being readied in the wings to run against these
honest public servants be favored?

This City is once again at the crossroads.

.

I love the fact that you spoke with the LH Foundation, and the fact that you will speak with anyone, especially myself. I do not have any problems with that.

It raises my eyebrow to know, now, that Ken Haber scheduled the interview with you. What was his intention? What was his agenda? What message or angle is he using the media to get across? Did he set up the meeting to only wear one hat (the hat of Switzerland in this battle).

Scheduling a meeting with a media source is never unintended or under planned. I'm sure Ken Haber showed up with intentions that he wanted you to portray in your media circles.

Keep it up, Jim. Keep talking to everyone and anyone. I know Ken Haber is not calling up Joe Public to schedule a meeting with him. Somebody has to be the voice and media outlet - Ken Haber has chosen you.

Corey
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I am hestitant to make this post as I can hardly wait for what I anticipate to be a torrent of criticism but I can't hold my tongue any longer. I am deeply offended by the inference that Ken Haber does not have the best interests of Lakewood at heart. I have known Ken and served on boards and committees with him and I am hard pressed to think of anyone more committed to Lakewood or more philanthropic of his time and talents. He steps up. His integrity is beyond reproach.
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Heidi Hilty wrote:I am hestitant to make this post as I can hardly wait for what I anticipate to be a torrent of criticism but I can't hold my tongue any longer. I am deeply offended by the inference that Ken Haber does not have the best interests of Lakewood at heart. I have known Ken and served on boards and committees with him and I am hard pressed to think of anyone more committed to Lakewood or more philanthropic of his time and talents. He steps up. His integrity is beyond reproach.

I have known Ken Haber 40+ years.

I will not criticize you.

I do find it curious that this Man of Lakewood, Ken Haber, is allowing Lakewood to suffer in this manner.

He may be highly reputable in some circles...yet the hospital crumbles and he is on several overlapping Boards involving this topic.

Don't confuse "philanthropic of his time and talents" with philanthropic of his time and money. People often overlook faults when sums of money (donations) are leading the conversation. I do think it is a great benefit to have someone of his donation abilities in town, but maybe not on every Board (especially with such overlap and lack of communication between the several hats being worn).

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Heidi, Just the fact that you mentioned that you have served on Boards with him makes me want to question your credibility. Ken is what I believe to be another one of the mayor's puppets. I believe it was a few months ago when I tried to speak with him about the hospital closure, he thought it was funny and laughed in my face. It appears that Ken wants nothing more than to see Lakewood Hospital close. If he truly cared about the taxpayers of Lakewood he would be sharing with us notes about the Foundation's meetings. Instead he chooses to keep them hidden. Think for yourself and do some research involving the city. Ken appears to be not who you think he is!
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Lori

A while bunch of things.

1) No one tells Heidi Hilty what to say. She does not lie.

2) Ken Haber was extremely candid with me about many things at that meeting. He was honest about things he had no way of knowing I know, and they are extremely sensitive.

3) In all the people I have spoken with, not one has put Ken Haber's honesty or dedication to the
City of Lakewood in doubt.

4) This why I sent my article to Ken, to make sure facts at that meeting were correct. Ken earned that honor, I give to very few.

5) That's doesn't make him right, or super human.

6) Bill and Corey are correct, the resident of Lakewood have very little control over the
Lakewood Hospital Foundation. And that is the law in the state of Ohio.

Carry on

* Full disclosure, Heidi was my first girlfriend, a very close lifelong friend, partner in many things
including this project. NO ONE TELLS HEIDI WHAT TO SAY, NO ONE. SHE DOESN'T LIE,
and her toleration of bullshit is ZERO.

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Jim O'Bryan wrote:LAST NIGHT Cindy Marx, Sam O'Leary, and David Anderson fought for honesty and transparency.


Jim,

Details, please.

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Jim O'Bryan wrote:
2) Ken Haber was extremely candid with me about many things at that meeting. He was honest about things he had no way of knowing I know, and they are extremely sensitive.


Why are you the only one privy to this information? Please share the candid details.

If the details are about the LH Foundation, he should be candid, as open disclosure of State laws dictates - as you mention several times.

If he is candid about topics that you cannot pass on to others does that mean he is discussing items that should not be discussed? Hence, is he breaking the law in his candid conversations with you? Are these State violations? If not, please share. In essence, you should be able to share every second of that meeting.

To save you time and aggravation, we both know that that residents are more concerned with the closing of the hospital itself, rather than the happenings of the LH Foundation.

One of my biggest gripes about the media is exactly what you just did...in short, I have information, extremely sensitive, candid information, and you don't. Move along there is nothing to see here.

It is like a 3 year old who says I have a secret and can't tell you...then why did you bring it up?

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