OK, Threshold Level?

[Stephen Eisel]

A victory in WWII meant that troops were home in the same year (1945).

Stephen,

I know they're in Europe. I had a nice conversation with a few Soldiers, one from texas, one from kentucky, one from pennsylvania and one from Indiana in one of Sarajevo's market shops a few years back.

I know they're in Europe. They're there because we need bases around the globe and because the food in local restaurants in Bosnia is much better than the cooking here.

Take my word for it, I've been across the US border a few times.

By your standards, the US did not achieve a victory in Europe (WWII).

[Ivor Karabatkovic]

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2003/sc7682.doc.htm


[quote]Iraq’s representative said the Americans and the British continued to attempt to “trump upâ€Â

[Stephen Eisel]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... odada.html


http://www.nysun.com/article/26514

The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein's air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.

[Ivor Karabatkovic]

Stephen, face it.

Every one of your claims has been proven wrong by the UN.

You can believe all the lies you want but they are wrong morally and factually.

I know you're not the type to admit that maybe you've been deceived for the past....8 years.

It's alright. I can give you a 12 step program that will get you to realize and cure just how brainwashed you are.

Step 1: Honesty- Stop watching Fox, reading the white house briefings and realize that even though the new press secretary is hot, she's being told what to say. Eliminate the lack of honesty in your information getting.

Step 2: Faith-I don't know what faith you are and it really doesn't matter because no religion or faith would let you reach a peaceful afterlife if you believe that bombing children is justifiably by International Laws that we happened to break ourselves.

Step 3: Surrender- Don't be afraid to back out of a debate. Sometimes posting goofy off-the-subject things for giggles will backfire and people will think that you're not educated and mature enough to debate with a 18 year old.

Step 4: Soul Searching-Keep taking this test until you get the right answer

Step 5: Integrity- Do you really want to be hated by the world for one mistake..I mean vote...or two? Everyone deserves another chance even if it's a third try

Step 6: Acceptance- The fun one. You're finally on the right track when you get to the point where you can accept that illegal War is not the answer and I've been proving you wrong post after post.

Step 7: Humility- Laugh at yourself for being a Elephant. Why be a Lazy elephant- being a Jackass is 350 million times more fun.

Step 8: Willingness- Vote for Obama in 2008.

Step 9: Forgiveness- Sharon, Justine, Jim and I really did mean the best in proving you wrong.

Step 10: Maintenance- Elect another Democrat into office next election.

Step 11: Making Contact- Go watch Obama speak. Buy a sticker and yard sign and drive your Republican neighbors insane. Trust me it's a BLAST.

Step 12: Service- Volunteer at Kucinich's office. Wake up and realize that he didn't put Cleveland into bankruptcy. Or, volunteer for a Democratic President hopeful to help him (or her) get more votes and to spread good will and peace amongst the world.


Stephen,
Hang that up on your fridge and keep me posted on your progression. You can always count on a Donkey when the lifting gets too heavy. Elephants just stink and poop everywhere. Plus, Elephants are afraid of mice, so you're better off counting on a Donkey because he won't abandon you because of his fear of dealing with problems and answering questions truthfully.

I wish you all the best in your road to recovery-
Ivor

[Ivor Karabatkovic]

Again, great theory Stephen, but no facts.

ISG formed a special working group to investigate and consider these claims. Charles Duelfer, who headed the group, summarized the group's conclusion: "Based on the evidence available at present, ISG judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place.

it's the words of a terrorist or the words of a organization that went after those leads and explored them thoroughly.

[Stephen Eisel]

Stephen, face it.

Every one of your claims has been proven wrong by the UN.

You can believe all the lies you want but they are wrong morally and factually.

I know you're not the type to admit that maybe you've been deceived for the past....8 years.

LOL...

[Stephen Eisel]

Again, great theory Stephen, but no facts.

ISG formed a special working group to investigate and consider these claims. Charles Duelfer, who headed the group, summarized the group's conclusion: "Based on the evidence available at present, ISG judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place.

it's the words of a terrorist or the words of a organization that went after those leads and explored them thoroughly.

LOL! 1,000 factless pages...

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/gen ... index.html

[Stephen Eisel]

I know you're not the type to admit that maybe you've been deceived for the past....8 years.

Yes, I have been deceived for 8 years and by two different administrations.

[Ivor Karabatkovic]

Again, great theory Stephen, but no facts.

ISG formed a special working group to investigate and consider these claims. Charles Duelfer, who headed the group, summarized the group's conclusion: "Based on the evidence available at present, ISG judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place.

it's the words of a terrorist or the words of a organization that went after those leads and explored them thoroughly.

LOL! 1,000 factless pages...

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/gen ... index.html

Ladies and Gentlemen I hope you can see that he gives a link to the CIA's report on Iraq and says it's factless but believes the theory of one terrorist and still thinks that this war, even though it was deemed illegal by the UN, the same organization whose laws were violated by Iraq and are the root of Stephen's belief, is still justifiable,

Now why you posted a link to the CIA I don't know. It's one of your tactics. What's next, a funny clip from youtube of a Elephant humping a Donkey?

In my post that you quoted above I provided you with a quote from the head of the Iraq Study Group, not the DCI (Director of Central Intelligence) which you tried to link to in hopes of proving my post wrong.

You haven't proven me wrong. Even when bringing up theories of individuals like Saddams #2 guy, I provided you with a quote from a agency that proves that the lead was looked into and that nothing was found in Syria.


Again,
Read over step 3 in my 12 step program and learn a bit.

Quit trying to post links to pages that have nothing to do with proving me wrong or proving you right.

And it's funny that you call the CIA reports "factless". See you're already starting to doubt this administration.

I'm glad I can get the ball rolling in the right direction. You're welcome stephen.

[Stephen Eisel]

Ivor Karabatkovic wrote: In a country where you treat your flag better than your people, and your wallets are more important than your family and neighbors, you are labeled patriotic and as heroes. You trample over the hearts and hopes of the globe to gain riches and power for yourself and your growing ego's.

Here is 12 step reality program.



Step 1: Honesty- Stop watching Al Jazeera and CNN. Most Americans will kick your a$$ when you tell them "You (US) trample over the hearts and hopes of the globe and gain riches and power for yourself and growing ego's"

Step 2: Faith-God loves all Americans (including the Ahteist) but He hates whiney arrogant europeans. just sayin

Step 3: Surrender- You are now in America. It is now ok to love this country. She is now giving you shelter and a better life.


Step 4: Soul Searching- Everyone's poop smells.

Step 5: Integrity- It is ok to watch Fox News and form your own opinion.

Step 6: Acceptance- Most Americans hate arrogant foreigners.

Step 7: Humility- Nobody gives a **** that you are from Europe.

Step 8: Willingness- Vote for anyone But Dennis.

Step 9: Forgiveness- It is ok to love this country. Only arrogant europeans will hate you.

Step 10: Maintenance- It is ok to watch the movie Patriot and root for America.

Step 11: Making Contact- Go to a Toby Keith concert and meet some real republicans.

Step 12: Service- Volunteer to be a sparring partner for Mike Tyson.

[Stephen Eisel]

Ladies and Gentlemen I hope you can see that he gives a link to the CIA's report on Iraq and says it's factless

you missed the LOL and the sarcasm...

[Stephen Eisel]

Ivor Karabatkovic wrote: When you are causing the deaths and suffering of thousands across the globe.

Hide behind your new Bible, The Constitution, like cowards and be proud to be the person who contributes to the murder of millions, the starvation, suffering, poverty and rotting of nations across the globe, just for the sake of your own personal gain.

In the end your bigotry and selfishness will come back to bite you in the behind. Your tax cuts will bring you a fake happiness, and you will have to live with the guilt that millions are starving and dying because you're too selfish to contribute to health care to the neighbors within your own country and to the peace process across the globe.

Wow, I guess that my vote really does count.

[Ivor Karabatkovic]

Fellow Observers, the true thoughts of Stephen Eisel:

"Step 1: Honesty- Stop watching Al Jazeera and CNN. Most Americans will kick your a$$ when you tell them "You (US) trample over the hearts and hopes of the globe and gain riches and power for yourself and growing ego's"

Step 2: Faith-God loves all Americans (including the Ahteist) but He hates whiney arrogant europeans. just sayin

Step 3: Surrender- You are now in America. It is now ok to love this country. She is now giving you shelter and a better life.


Step 4: Soul Searching- Everyone's poop smells.

Step 5: Integrity- It is ok to watch Fox News and form your own opinion.

Step 6: Acceptance- Most Americans hate arrogant foreigners.

Step 7: Humility- Nobody gives a **** that you are from Europe.

Step 8: Willingness- Vote for anyone But Dennis.

Step 9: Forgiveness- It is ok to love this country. Only arrogant europeans will hate you.

Step 10: Maintenance- It is ok to watch the movie Patriot and root for America.

Step 11: Making Contact- Go to a Toby Keith concert and meet some real republicans.

Step 12: Service- Volunteer to be a sparring partner for Mike Tyson.

Stephen,
No need to resort to childish games, I'm just looking for a good, balanced debate.
Thanks for beating me to proving to everyone just how low, ARROGANT, maybe a bit prejudice or racist to immigrants and bigoted you are.

Your words are heard loudly.

I expected a much higher level from someone that sounds so informed and seems to know everything.

While I'm a "foreigner" and I'm proud to be one (just like the Irish are proud of their heritage, the Germans, Hungarians, Italians of theirs), I am very grateful for what this country has given me, but it wasn't given to me. See, my family gave up a lot to be alive today. Nothing is for free, and free doesn't always mean you don't have to pay in some way.

And I'll have to pass on your 12 step program. Toby Keith concerts can be torture. Blah; I'll stick to my type of concerts and doing photos for bands.

I'd rather sit here and laugh my heart out because a "dumb", "arrogant", "whiney" "God hates me because I'm not American" foreigner just proved every little thing you said factually wrong.

I did miss the LOL and sarcasm. But you missed on everything else...

[Stephen Eisel]

Stephen,
No need to resort to childish games, I'm just looking for a good, balanced debate.
Thanks for beating me to proving to everyone just how low, ARROGANT, maybe a bit prejudice or racist to immigrants and bigoted you are.

PS You used the word immigrants. My comments were only directed towards one immigrant.

[Stephen Eisel]

Ivor wrote: There has been consistent genocide going on in the world for almost two decades. 15,000 brutal slayings per month and 400,000 between 2003-2005 aren't breaking any laws? Burning villages, HIV/AIDS spreading across the globe and war and unrest don't break any laws? Apparently if something doesn't affect the US at all it's non existent.

This country and it's people have turned selfish, arrogant, blind and numb thanks to leaders that display all of those traits and more.

That is so untrue...