Destroy The Young So The 80 Year Old Can Live

[Jim O'Bryan]

At the risk of being mocked, I just want to say that the youtube video I watched, was about supporting the body's immune system. The recommendation was to take vitamins. Vitamins. No drinking of chicken blood, or dancing naked in the moonlight; just vitamins.I've been taking vitamins and other supplements for over 30 years. To date, I have not experienced any adverse effects.

As for the nebulizer...yeah, it works. But, that's not for everyone. As an asthmatic, I know its benefits. As I write this, I am still breathing....

Interesting enough, while my husband (who controls the remote) paused during one of last evening's news cast on a local channel. It was of a doctor, stating that they are finding that many of the covid patients have been found deficient in Vit D. He went on to mention some foods that contain Vit D. The doctor also mentioned taking zinc.

Medical professionals and medical experts in Infectious Diseases, have repeatedly admitted that they don't have a clue as to what is going on with covid-19. So, why not try boosting one's immune system? What's to lose? Vitamins have the dosage recommendation printed on the bottle. At least, the ones I find in local pharmacies do. For those, who feel safer in getting their information from television, you might be able to do a search and find the station that this was on.

PJ

It only makes sense to boost the immunity and body health in times like these. Every bit helps.

They still have no idea what hurts or helps. It has gone from ibuprofen makes it worse, to pot and tobacco can help.

When the ideas run like that, healthy living seems to be the best.

Even ideas like zinc, vitamin D and others make some sense.

In this day and age, anyone looking to make themselves and others safe makes a lot more sense than spending days trying to convince people not to wear masks.

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[Kate McCarthy]

PJ

It only makes sense to boost the immunity and body health in times like these. Every bit helps.

They still have no idea what hurts or helps. It has gone from ibuprofen makes it worse, to pot and tobacco can help.

When the ideas run like that, healthy living seems to be the best.

Even ideas like zinc, vitamin D and others make some sense.

In this day and age, anyone looking to make themselves and others safe makes a lot more sense than spending days trying to convince people not to wear masks.

Please don't push zinc. If you eat a healthy diet you get most of the vitamins and minerals you need. I've had well meaning friends give me supplements that supposedly shorten the length of a cold, illness, etc. In every case I've gotten violently ill and zinc was the common ingredient.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/zi ... e-symptoms

That said I have been shocked by the highly partisian response to a pandemic. Too many Americans have died and more will with the loosening of restrictions. Italy was warning us. The models were warning us. I think the long term economic consequences of the feckless response of the US and now Ohio state government will be much worse than the short term consequences of shutting down much of the economy.

Stay home, social distance, and wear masks.

[Bridget Conant]

The ONLY vitamin known to be associated with outcome is Vitamin D.

Most victims with severe cases that end up in the ICU have lab results showing low levels of Vitamin D.

Those who live in the Northern Hemisphere tend to have lower levels of the vitamin. Living in an area with limited year round sun, Northern Ohioans are often deficient unless they supplement Vitamin D. It’s the ONLY thing I might consider or suggest.

I mean, take it! What have you got to lose?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... l.pdf+html

[pj bennett]

PJ

It only makes sense to boost the immunity and body health in times like these. Every bit helps.

They still have no idea what hurts or helps. It has gone from ibuprofen makes it worse, to pot and tobacco can help.

When the ideas run like that, healthy living seems to be the best.

Even ideas like zinc, vitamin D and others make some sense.

In this day and age, anyone looking to make themselves and others safe makes a lot more sense than spending days trying to convince people not to wear masks.

Please don't push zinc. If you eat a healthy diet you get most of the vitamins and minerals you need. I've had well meaning friends give me supplements that supposedly shorten the length of a cold, illness, etc. In every case I've gotten violently ill and zinc was the common ingredient.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/zi ... e-symptoms

That said I have been shocked by the highly partisian response to a pandemic. Too many Americans have died and more will with the loosening of restrictions. Italy was warning us. The models were warning us. I think the long term economic consequences of the feckless response of the US and now Ohio state government will be much worse than the short term consequences of shutting down much of the economy.

Stay home, social distance, and wear masks.

F.Y.I I'm not pushing anything. I'm only repeating, what I heard a doctor say. That said, I'm a firm believer that no matter how healthy of a diet that one eats, the nutrients are somewhat lacking due to the soil being depleted from overplanting over the years.

Many people respond to zinc. Some, like yourself, do not.
My body resists sunflower seeds and aloe. But many, respond well to both.
It's all about knowing one's body.

Doctors tend to only recommend foods, that provide the vitamins that their patient are in need of. They rarely recommend supplements, because their souls are owned by pharmaceutical companies. Their job is to write prescriptions for medications.

I know from experience, because I use to work for a doctor. He only recommended supplements to patients, whom he knew were receptive.

There's a reason that packaged foods list on their labels, the percentage of 'nutrients'. They show the daily equivalent. It's never enough for what one really needs on a daily basis.

Someone, on another post some weeks ago, stated that during the Spanish Flu, those patients who were 'hospitalized ' outside, recovered more quickly than those indoors. Why? They were getting Vit D by being outside.

The medical community is at a lost. Until it comes up with a solid solution, each of us is on our own to not become a host to the virus.

Wear a mask. Wash hands. Stay several feet away from people.

Meanwhile, more and more children are becoming ill with symptoms like Kawasaki disease. The CDC has issued an alert.

[Bridget Conant]

Meanwhile, more and more children are becoming ill with symptoms like Kawasaki disease. The CDC has issued an alert.

Again, if anyone still believes this novel virus is “Harmless” unless you are old or have underlying illness, you are sadly mistaken.

Read any medical journal, look at the NIH website, search a scientific database. On a daily basis we are learning more about the effect SARS Cov-2 has on the body, and it’s not a pretty picture. Someone called it an evil virus, and it surely is.

It damages the lungs, the heart, and the kidneys. It has some weird effect on neurological function. It causes abnormal blood clotting. And the oddest thing, it can do these things even in what may appear outwardly to be a very mild case.

People have outwardly exhibited minor symptoms, but when examined have dangerously low oxygen levels. Young people will suddenly suffer a stroke. And even stranger, these severe symptoms may occur after you think you’ve recovered.

It’s insidious. We have no idea at this point what the long term effects are, though in SARS from 2005 they have documented long term lung damage.

Is it an oncogenic virus, like HPV, long thought to be a harmless virus but now known to cause cervical, penile, and head and neck cancers?

Anyone with any amount of sense would avoid becoming infected with this virus. Whether old or young, it CAN kill you, and at the least, it WILL damage your body.

This just showed up on CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/12/health/c ... index.html

[Dan Alaimo]

PJ

It only makes sense to boost the immunity and body health in times like these. Every bit helps.

They still have no idea what hurts or helps. It has gone from ibuprofen makes it worse, to pot and tobacco can help.

When the ideas run like that, healthy living seems to be the best.

Even ideas like zinc, vitamin D and others make some sense.

In this day and age, anyone looking to make themselves and others safe makes a lot more sense than spending days trying to convince people not to wear masks.

Please don't push zinc. If you eat a healthy diet you get most of the vitamins and minerals you need. I've had well meaning friends give me supplements that supposedly shorten the length of a cold, illness, etc. In every case I've gotten violently ill and zinc was the common ingredient.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/zi ... e-symptoms

That said I have been shocked by the highly partisian response to a pandemic. Too many Americans have died and more will with the loosening of restrictions. Italy was warning us. The models were warning us. I think the long term economic consequences of the feckless response of the US and now Ohio state government will be much worse than the short term consequences of shutting down much of the economy.

Stay home, social distance, and wear masks.

F.Y.I I'm not pushing anything. I'm only repeating, what I heard a doctor say. That said, I'm a firm believer that no matter how healthy of a diet that one eats, the nutrients are somewhat lacking due to the soil being depleted from overplanting over the years.

Many people respond to zinc. Some, like yourself, do not.
My body resists sunflower seeds and aloe. But many, respond well to both.
It's all about knowing one's body.

Doctors tend to only recommend foods, that provide the vitamins that their patient are in need of. They rarely recommend supplements, because their souls are owned by pharmaceutical companies. Their job is to write prescriptions for medications.

I know from experience, because I use to work for a doctor. He only recommended supplements to patients, whom he knew were receptive.

There's a reason that packaged foods list on their labels, the percentage of 'nutrients'. They show the daily equivalent. It's never enough for what one really needs on a daily basis.

Someone, on another post some weeks ago, stated that during the Spanish Flu, those patients who were 'hospitalized ' outside, recovered more quickly than those indoors. Why? They were getting Vit D by being outside.

The medical community is at a lost. Until it comes up with a solid solution, each of us is on our own to not become a host to the virus.

Wear a mask. Wash hands. Stay several feet away from people.

Meanwhile, more and more children are becoming ill with symptoms like Kawasaki disease. The CDC has issued an alert.

Sorry to extend the quoted material, but it makes sense to me that a healthier person will be better able to withstand the ravages of the virus than someone less healthy. But none of the supplements mentioned are a cure all, and none of recommendations from Dr. Trump's Travelling Medication Show have been proven effective against Covid.

[Bridget Conant]

BTW

The Cleveland Clinic keeps caregivers advised on upcoming events and the latest communication is that they are preparing for an upcoming resurgence that will eclipse the first wave.

So Who you gonna believe, Rand Paul and the orange fruitcake, or the medical and research community?

[Jim O'Bryan]

Worth the look, an interesting take on Ohio in 3 weeks.

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[mjkuhns]

The second day I was sick, I woke up to what felt like hot tar buried deep in my chest. I could not get a deep breath unless I was on all fours. I’m healthy. I’m a runner. I’m 33 years old.

In the emergency room an hour later, I sat on a hospital bed, alone and terrified, my finger hooked to a pulse-oxygen machine. To my right lay a man who could barely speak but coughed constantly. To my left was an older man who said that he had been sick for a month and had a pacemaker. He kept apologizing to the doctors for making so much trouble, and thanking them for taking such good care of him. I can’t stop thinking about him even now.

Finally, Dr. Audrey Tan walked toward me, her kind eyes meeting mine from behind a mask, goggles and a face shield. “Any asthma?” she asked. “Do you smoke? Any pre-existing conditions?” “No, no, none,” I replied. Dr. Tan smiled, then shook her head, almost imperceptibly. “I wish I could do something for you,” she said.

I am one of the lucky ones. I never needed a ventilator. I survived. But 27 days later, I still have lingering pneumonia. I use two inhalers, twice a day. I can’t walk more than a few blocks without stopping.

I want Americans to understand that this virus is making otherwise young, healthy people very, very sick. I want them to know, this is no flu.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/opin ... eople.html

[Dan Alaimo]

I want to try to understand the people who don't get the concern about Covid-19. They shelter safely at home. They watch Netflix. Their salaries are safe - or not. They don't know of people who have the virus. They probably won't get the virus and are among the population cohort that won't be badly affected by it. Perhaps they own or are employed by a business that has been badly hurt by the shut-down. As time goes on, they become more and more sympathetic to the voices of Covid-deniers. Some may even reach for their guns.

I'm in another place. I'm quite vulnerable to the virus, as are others I know well. I know people who have and have had the virus. Except for a brief, masked, socially distant get-together, we have seen nothing of our immediate family in months. I really want it to be over, but not half-baked over. Not over with a more potent resurgence in the offing in the months ahead. But over over. That looks like months if not a year or so away.

There is no economic price for a human life. The premature reopenings scare me. That's where I'm coming from as I encourage this Deck thread and others.

Wear a mask. It's not for your protection, but for the protection of others. It's a sign of respect for other human beings.

[Sandra Donnelly]

I want to try to understand the people who don't get the concern about Covid-19. They shelter safely at home. They watch Netflix. Their salaries are safe - or not. They don't know of people who have the virus. They probably won't get the virus and are among the population cohort that won't be badly affected by it. Perhaps they own or are employed by a business that has been badly hurt by the shut-down. As time goes on, they become more and more sympathetic to the voices of Covid-deniers. Some may even reach for their guns.

I'm in another place. I'm quite vulnerable to the virus, as are others I know well. I know people who have and have had the virus. Except for a brief, masked, socially distant get-together, we have seen nothing of our immediate family in months. I really want it to be over, but not half-baked over. Not over with a more potent resurgence in the offing in the months ahead. But over over. That looks like months if not a year or so away.

There is no economic price for a human life. The premature reopenings scare me. That's where I'm coming from as I encourage this Deck thread and others.

Wear a mask. It's not for your protection, but for the protection of others. It's a sign of respect for other human beings.

Amen, Dan. Well said.

[Bridget Conant]

They don't know of people who have the virus.

This is important.

At this point in time, most of us do not know some who has or had Covid 19. It makes it seem distant and not as widespread as the media makes it out to be.

As we “open up” and people start mingling more, it will again spread like wildfire. Soon, we will all know a friend, a neighbor, a co-worker, or a family member with it. That will affect our perception of the immediacy of this virus.

Sadly, many people also brushed this off because “it only affects the elderly.” Now, as more children become very sick, and die, perhaps we will notice and take action. A researcher said yesterday that this virus did not seem to affect children in China, but once it traveled to Italy, and now the US, it is affecting kids. They aren’t sure if it is that the virus has mutated or if the Asian youth population had some sort of natural immunity.

I’ll repeat again: you do NOT want to get this virus. It is nasty. It is not a cold or a flu. It damages the body.

[Bridget Conant]

Check this out. It’s going to become increasingly prevalent.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnew ... cna1207081

[Meg Ostrowski]

I have been disturbed by this discussion on many levels and have been reluctant to wade in, but I'll share a few thoughts. First, the title is misleading, as anyone 65+ (not just the 80 year old) is at significantly higher risk. There are many Observers who fall into that category who contribute their knowledge, experience and effort to this project. Balanced against youthful idealism and energy, talking over the digital fence (or living in Lakewood for that matter) without them would not be the same. This is true of the special octogenarians and nonagenarians in my life. They bring priceless strength, wisdom and purpose.

Michael G., I appreciate your essential question, "Are Dunkin' Donuts to die for?"

The second day I was sick, I woke up to what felt like hot tar buried deep in my chest. I could not get a deep breath unless I was on all fours. I’m healthy. I’m a runner. I’m 33 years old.

Finally, Dr. Audrey Tan walked toward me, her kind eyes meeting mine from behind a mask, goggles and a face shield. “Any asthma?” she asked. “Do you smoke? Any pre-existing conditions?” “No, no, none,” I replied.

I want Americans to understand that this virus is making otherwise young, healthy people very, very sick. I want them to know, this is no flu.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/14/opin ... eople.html

And Matt, your 33 year old runner NYT reference...

These are the questions.

[Dan Alaimo]

Meg,
I appreciate your sensitivity on this, but from what i know of a number of participants in this discussion, we are eligible to take umbrage at Bill's provocative subject line, and instead chose to take it for what it was. Heck, I even had another birthday while it was going on. I don't recall if it occurred to any of us to question it literally. There are some very contentious viewpoints on the pandemic and the quarantine, and I'm glad we had the chance to discuss them civilly. As Gov. Cuomo (the current one) said about conflicting opinions, it's the "sound of America."