Destroy The Young So The 80 Year Old Can Live

[Bill Call]

Jim, regardless of how you or anyone feels about the appropriateness or efficacy of the lockdowns, I would point out that the off-topic article you cite was commissioned by the one person who has made more money on lockdowns than anybody else on the planet. Bezos has no standing in any discussion of the appropriateness and effectiveness of the current lockdowns, at least not in my opinion.

And to be clear, nobody is disputing that COVID-19 can be horrible, particularly to the elderly and frail. We all know that. Everyone is heartbroken over the toll that it takes on some of us. But once it reached our shores it simply was not preventable.

A lot of people who are enthusiastic supporters of the lock down suffer no economic damage from the lock down. Many are reaping huge financial rewards.

This lock will create a REALLY long depression. It will be a government created depression. People who are invested in that outcome or are indifferent to it are unmoved by facts or science or reason. When Governor Cuomo reports that most new infections are in people who are in lock down the reasoned response would be to ask a simple questions:

If that's the case then doesn't that mean that the disease will spread with or without the lock down?

If the disease will spread with or without the lock down why are we destroying the economy?


The unreasoned response is: The Daily Mail quoted governor Cuomo so we should just ignore the findings of the report.

A lot of famous people love the idea of a permanent depression and mass poverty. COVID GIVES US THE CHANGE TO THE PLANET!!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ormal.html

Nothing like a bunch of billionaires who use their private jets to travel to their homes across the world telling the rest of us to live in our basements and survive on basic public sustenance. A lot of people see the poverty and misery in Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea and say "Why not here?"? A lot of people see the concentration camps in China and think: "That's the way it should be done!"

[Jim O'Bryan]

Nothing like a bunch of billionaires who use their private jets to travel to their homes across the world telling the rest of us to live in our basements and survive on basic public sustenance. A lot of people see the poverty and misery in Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea and say "Why not here?"? A lot of people see the concentration camps in China and think: "That's the way it should be done!"

Bill

Many would argue, those are the people asking others to go back to work.

Your president is a perfect example. Tested damn nearly hourly, no tests for others. "We have to get going..."

The country has fucked this up from day one. January, February, everyone stays in 14 days, and we have the testing for the most part done.

No, we have to do it piece meal knowing every day they waited, the problem got larger. Every three days the problem was doubling.

No we are in a tough situation and very few talking about what needs to be done.

Total country wide shutdown 2-3 weeks, get the testing ready and on the streets then start the damn thing up again.

Anything else will through this country into a tailspin, that personally I think the President would love, as would his supporters.

Supporters, those thinking this is the Rapture, followed by those thinking this is the big culling they read about in science fiction, followed by the people dying to use their weapons in the streets to defend themselves from zombies or whatever floats in their small minds...

Going back to work does nothing but create hell. Look at Korea, Singapore, Germany...

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[Bridget Conant]

You are delusional if you think there will not be a recession if we just open it all back up.

It’s a health crisis that simply must be dealt with before the economy can recover. People who do not feel safe. Who do not feel that their government is taking the appropriate steps to keep them safe, will not return to their past levels of consumption

The only way to get out of this is to get the virus under control by instituting measures to lower the spread, have national policies across all states that give businesses and consumers some confidence that their actions to prevent continued spread are based on scientific principles and supported by all levels of government. When people see the new case rates and deaths falling, they’ll venture out.

The idea that everyone believes we should just ignore scientists and open it back up is only held by a small but vocal group that gets a lot (too much) media attention. Fully 70% of Americans are fearful we are moving too fast and not listening to the scientists.

[Mark Kindt]

Thank you, Ms. Conant for your voice of reason and calm.

I am disappointed that this thread was started at all. It reads like a script from a Fox News Broadcast and commences with a false, but provocative premise and then lapses into various partisan rants unrelated to Lakewood.

The Moderators might want to consider moving the thread to the Global Discussion thread.

[Don Schmitz]

There are things we can do to minimize the length and severity of the disease if we get it.
Since we all may be exposed at one time or another, let's boost our immune systems with these suggestions, and by eating more fruits and vegetables (and less junk food).

Recommendations by a pulmonary specialist, Dr. Roger Seheult (at 1:30-10:30 on his 4-21-20 YouTube video):
Vitamins C and D
Zinc
Quercetin
N-acetylcysteine
Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM2A2xNLWR4&t=4s

Here's an unrelated story of a survivor who probably would have died in the hospital had she not taken responsibility for her health (when the doctors didn't know what to do for her):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdat7OrEnK8

[Bridget Conant]

YouTube

[Dan Alaimo]

Thank you, Ms. Conant for your voice of reason and calm.

I am disappointed that this thread was started at all. It reads like a script from a Fox News Broadcast and commences with a false, but provocative premise and then lapses into various partisan rants unrelated to Lakewood.

The Moderators might want to consider moving the thread to the Global Discussion thread.

This is the biggest issue to affect us in our lifetimes at all levels: family, neighborhood, city, county, state region, state, national region, nationally, continentally, globally.
Relegating it to the Deck's page six would be irresponsible.

[Dan Alaimo]

Thank you, Ms. Conant for your voice of reason and calm.

I am disappointed that this thread was started at all. It reads like a script from a Fox News Broadcast and commences with a false, but provocative premise and then lapses into various partisan rants unrelated to Lakewood.

The Moderators might want to consider moving the thread to the Global Discussion thread.

This is the biggest issue to affect us in our lifetimes at all levels: family, neighborhood, city, county, state region, state, national region, nationally, continentally, globally.
Relegating it to the Deck's page six would be irresponsible.

[Mark Kindt]

Thank you, Ms. Conant for your voice of reason and calm.

I am disappointed that this thread was started at all. It reads like a script from a Fox News Broadcast and commences with a false, but provocative premise and then lapses into various partisan rants unrelated to Lakewood.

The Moderators might want to consider moving the thread to the Global Discussion thread.

This is the biggest issue to affect us in our lifetimes at all levels: family, neighborhood, city, county, state region, state, national region, nationally, continentally, globally.
Relegating it to the Deck's page six would be irresponsible.[/quote]

Mr. Alaimo, this is the most ill-informed thread that I have ever seen on the Deck. No writer here has the medical or epidemiological knowledge to provide competent commentary on this disease.

The political/economic commentary is mostly "rant" derived from other national media.

Dan, I think that it is irresponsible, not to move this to the Global Discussion thread where it probably belongs.

Unlike other recent Deck posts, there is almost no discussion of Lakewood and how Lakewood should respond. --Somehow North Korea and Jeff Bezos have been dragged into this.

And, should the Deck really be offering "YouTube" medical advice?

[michael gill]

It does not matter if you are 8 years old or 80 years old: Just about everybody loves donuts. Donuts are essential. Dunkin Donuts is therefore an essential business. Donuts are food. The Detroit Avenue Dunkin Donuts location in Lakewood has remained open through the COVID Crisis.

There's a Lakewood connection for you.

Are Dunkin Donuts to die for?

That is the question.

I am not a doctor.

[Michael Deneen]

A lot of people who are enthusiastic supporters of the lock down suffer no economic damage from the lock down. Many are reaping huge financial rewards.

Who exactly are the people reaping "Huge financial rewards"? Please be VERY specific in your response.

[Dan Alaimo]

Thank you, Ms. Conant for your voice of reason and calm.

I am disappointed that this thread was started at all. It reads like a script from a Fox News Broadcast and commences with a false, but provocative premise and then lapses into various partisan rants unrelated to Lakewood.

The Moderators might want to consider moving the thread to the Global Discussion thread.

This is the biggest issue to affect us in our lifetimes at all levels: family, neighborhood, city, county, state region, state, national region, nationally, continentally, globally.
Relegating it to the Deck's page six would be irresponsible.[/quote]

Mr. Alaimo, this is the most ill-informed thread that I have ever seen on the Deck. No writer here has the medical or epidemiological knowledge to provide competent commentary on this disease.

The political/economic commentary is mostly "rant" derived from other national media.

Dan, I think that it is irresponsible, not to move this to the Global Discussion thread where it probably belongs.

Unlike other recent Deck posts, there is almost no discussion of Lakewood and how Lakewood should respond. --Somehow North Korea and Jeff Bezos have been dragged into this.

And, should the Deck really be offering "YouTube" medical advice?

First, I'll note that I've had multiple conversations with the proprietor about the other forums, and this is not the place to discuss them. Basically, I'm against them. I'd like to see a well organized, single-click presentation. But again, not here, not now.

The content problem is related to the Covid-19 issue itself, as there is much confusion, some purposeful, some not. I think back on things I wrote and said a month or two ago and they turned out to be dead wrong. It's a fast-moving target. But we must allow all viewpoints to be aired, if we don't we stop being the LO Deck.

As to the local issues, I contend that right now, in mid-May 2020, there is no other issue beside Covid-19. Who remembers that this is a presidential election year? Some do, but for many others it has fallen by the wayside. Biden who? As for Lakewood, look around. Nearly every issue or problem is related to Covid. The big hole in the middle of town. The need for a health commission. The many closed or closing businesses. The financial straits of the municipality and the schools. Looking forward, what we should be discussing is how we will can rebuild and improve from the rubble of this horrendous plague. What have we learned and what are we learning?

I'd like the Lakewood City government to take a good hard look at the state's actions, and invoke its home rule to do it better. Since I'm a pessimist about Coronavirus and think it will be months if not years before its gone, I think more restrictions might be in order.

Since it impacts everything and everyone in Lakewood, what is happening everywhere in the world relates directly and locally to us. It's like the proverbial swimming pool Jim has referenced - a little foul excretion on one end reaches everyone sooner or later.

This topic has been fully representative of Covid discussions around the world, except none of the "Plandemic" people have showed up, fortunately. So it's been messy and confounding. Welcome to America.

If you have corrections or better sources, let's have 'em.

[Peter Grossetti]

YouTube

Hey, he could have cited Wikipedia!!

[Jim O'Bryan]

Mark

While this thread seems to have avoided many of the pitfalls of the much more negative threads on social media, which are more like Tourettes than any real discussion. Three sentences if that and out. We can better diagnose the real ills of the community and the issues at large with a smaller, much saner sampling here.

The problem is and always has been diffusion and Lakewood, the USA and the world are suffering mightily from it.

To me the fascinating part is you have a bunch of people arguing for safety, clam, and well thought out ways to handle this, and the other group, screw it let's get going I need a drink and dinner. Let me out screw everyone else. Let them fend for themselves.



I would be very suspect of medical advice given by anyone but a professional, and one that has been vetted.

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[pj bennett]

At the risk of being mocked, I just want to say that the youtube video I watched, was about supporting the body's immune system. The recommendation was to take vitamins. Vitamins. No drinking of chicken blood, or dancing naked in the moonlight; just vitamins.I've been taking vitamins and other supplements for over 30 years. To date, I have not experienced any adverse effects.

As for the nebulizer...yeah, it works. But, that's not for everyone. As an asthmatic, I know its benefits. As I write this, I am still breathing....

Interesting enough, while my husband (who controls the remote) paused during one of last evening's news cast on a local channel. It was of a doctor, stating that they are finding that many of the covid patients have been found deficient in Vit D. He went on to mention some foods that contain Vit D. The doctor also mentioned taking zinc.

Medical professionals and medical experts in Infectious Diseases, have repeatedly admitted that they don't have a clue as to what is going on with covid-19. So, why not try boosting one's immune system? What's to lose? Vitamins have the dosage recommendation printed on the bottle. At least, the ones I find in local pharmacies do. For those, who feel safer in getting their information from television, you might be able to do a search and find the station that this was on.