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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 6:37 pm
by Kenneth Warren
It is excellent that Ms. Michaud and Mr. O’Bryan are processing perspectives on the gap between neighborhood experience and observation of frightening crime and violent disorder and a recollection of a conversation with the captain.

It's all good.

But there are hundreds of factors we will never know.

As we have learned from postings and safety meetings at City Hall, there is a large gap between the crime stat, the court stat, the official police report, how a people in a neighborhood experience criminal and disorderly behavior.

As we post first-hand experiences, observations and opinions about safety, we are all engaged in a process of cognitive mapping focused on neighborhood chaos, crime and deteriorating quality of life.

On too many blocks the quality of life standard has been slipping from what was once enjoyed.

Now Ms. Michaud has articulated a frightening scenario, with considerable detail and perspective. Her report raises many questions best answered by professional law enforcement.

The biggest question is how manpower and use of force decisions could inform the perplexing action Ms Ms. Michaud witnessed.

Ms. Michaud’s summary provides a clear, caring and respectful report from the ground of a neighborhood observer that professional law enforcement management and rank and file must evaluate both tactically and symbolically.

How is force and tolerance calibrated in Lakewood?

How does manpower play into the calibration of force and tolerance in neighborhoods?

Clearly, the order or disorder of succession in Lakewood’s low rent neighborhoods will hinge on ample and effective community policing.

Sentiments, symbols and symptoms of chaos, crime and danger ripple through a neighborhood after one experiences such a perplexing incident.

For Lakewood to succeed there needs to be communication and connectivity between the community’s experience of chaos, crime and danger- as expressed in sentiments and symbols -and the police department’s overall understanding of the community’s expectations for safety, good order.

Does the community and police share a mutual understanding concerning the calibrations of force and tolerance and the manpower and tools required?

Again, on the LO Deck, our real names are joined to our statements in a grave and serious register of personal responsibility. By posting on this hot topic, so critical to the success of the city, we speak forcefully to the ethical charge of our efforts. In doing so we are filling the gap between neighborhood observation of violent disorder and law enforcement’s iteration of an event or capture of crime statistics. We do so to compel effective and responsible political action.

So it’s the gap where we are now focusing our attention in a process that connects neighborhood quality of life and safety to the proper calibration of force and tolerance. We are doing so in the face of the detribalization of a marauding urban core.

As Ms. Ms. Michaud's posts suggest, we must press the Mayor and Council for answers as to whether or not insufficient manpower is impeding a proper forceful response to thugs.

Our community must muster the political will and resources to correct the balance of power.

We have seen plenty of traveling chaos-makers and criminals ripping it up Lakewood neighborhoods. Some are visiting kin whose cribs become launch pads for disorder.

When Ms. Michaud supplies a credible report from a ground zero neighborhood battle zone, we can benefit from Mr. O’Bryan’s capture of the captain’s frame, while not dismissing the veracity and relevance of the citizen’s account.

We must remember that this is a cognitive process: we are mapping the gap between the professional, bureaucratic universe of crime stats and police reports and neighborhood fabric of the symbols and sentiments that inform the desire to protect and purchase real estate.

I appreciate Ms. Michaud and Mr. O’Bryan’s commitment to this process, which must, at some point I believe, activate the political determination to ensure improved police manpower levels on the streets.

Police levy please.

Kenneth Warren

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:27 pm
by Jim O'Bryan
Ken/Beajay

I think what we are looking at once again is the "stats lost" I spoke of in another thread, sadly about domestic violence again.

What she witnessed and called police on, can be explained many different ways. None of them wrong.

I doubt that the Captain, knew anymore than the police report. All police that I have ever talked with answer questions instead of babble on with details. Many times, the details are not even important by the time it gets to the Chief's desks. Is there even mention of people not arrested? Are there legal problems by mentioning those not charged?

As much as we want security, we do not want anyone tasered or shot by mistake. Were the police retreating, or being chased? Another missing stat, is how long all of this took, how many officers were off the street for how long? How many were left patrolling the city?

I cannot see where more police hurts this situation, maybe even keeping the goofballs out of Lakewood.


FWIW

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:29 pm
by Justine Cooper
Maybe we should start educating the young females in our city on boyfriend picking and signs to be weary of! I think we need a program like DARE for domestic abuse in the schools at a young age.
Beejay, I really hope the police looked like they were running away but were really running after a suspect with the other guys following. Maybe the truth will come out. While I don't believe in profiling, I do believe a group of males in all white shirts dressed alike can only be like that for one reason, so the cops can't tell them apart. When a group is dressed alike like that, I don't care what color they are, they are up to no good and should be watched by everyone, the neighbors and the police.

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:42 pm
by Jeff Endress
I think we need a program like DARE for domestic abuse in the schools at a young age.
Justine, that is one fantastic idea. We go through the drug awareness course, but there's very little out there, (with the exception of parental examples which may not be particularly helpful), on what makes a healthy relationship. And, while certainly it tends to be more a victimization of women, men aren't immune. The abusive relationship is such a slippery slope, in many cases, by the time it is apparent, the victim is so isolated with a total loss of self esteem that they find it impossible to get out. It would be wonderful to give kids the tools to recognize that they're on that road.

Jeff

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:45 pm
by Jim O'Bryan
Justine Cooper wrote:]I don't care what color they are, they are up to no good and should be watched by everyone, the neighbors and the police.
Justine

Agreed, this is not a race issue it is a behavior issue.

Why a woman bleeding from the mouth and nose because of some creep she had a restraining on for violence, does not follow through on charges I cannot understand. We know where this ends up. Shawn Joslin lost his life to an abusive ex-Husband.

Violent people need to be watched, put in the system with ZERO tolerance for second offense. Non violent offenders need to be put to work. If it can be taught, it would seem many could be saved.

Beajay

I would like to ask? Did you yourself ever feel threatened? Did you stay at a safe distance? I am glad you called, and posted.

We can talk all day about a police levy. Something I support. We should also walk and live normally and keep our eyes open, and report troubling activity.

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 7:47 pm
by Beajay Michaud
Ken,

I appreciate what you wrote.

I called at 2:01 and the police arrived at 2:04, response time was great.

I 100% support a police levy and the police in general. But the discrepancy in the officers accounts of incident as reported by the police chief and the description of the events as reported by the witnesses on our street including ourselves. Leaves an insecure feeling in my family safety and our overall community safety. There was not an innocent person there. All 5 thugs were at one point chasing the officers down the street.

I have nothing but the up most respect for Jim, I am not discrediting what he reported. My neighbor works for the states attorney's office she saw the same thing I did.

My father in law was a police officer, I respect the police and I know that they have a hard job. My cousin was an officer and gun down in Florida by a crack head for no reason.

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:09 pm
by Beajay Michaud
Jim O'Bryan wrote:[Beajay

I would like to ask? Did you yourself ever feel threatened? Did you stay at a safe distance? I am glad you called, and posted.

We can talk all day about a police levy. Something I support. We should also walk and live normally and keep our eyes open, and report troubling activity.

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You asked if I personally felt threatened? I felt concern for my family and for my neighbors. I felt like a layer of safety was taken away from us. We never had this on our street. What I saw was a man being brutally beaten by 4 other men. Then I saw then chase the police. How would you feel? In some strange way I feel a little sad.

If a female was battered why did they not call the police themselves? Why did they throw the for sale at the officers and break our neighbors car window? Maybe the police were chasing the invisible man and the thug were helping them catch him. :wink:

Why did the women that came over argue with the officers about arresting anyone? I stayed in our living room with my husband and dogs surrounding me. I talked to dispatch until a large amount of officers came a took control of the situation. I feel like it was more a gang induction than domestic violence.

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:20 pm
by Kenneth Warren
Beajay:

I find your report highly credible. As we know there is clearly a battle for territory occurring in several Lakewood neighborhoods.

It’s a battle we can and must win with community and police action, not with heads in the sand.

For the past three summers we have been seeing swarms of thugs touring Lakewood, perhaps visiting a friend or relative, and acting out violently in our neighborhoods.

Ever since the Vincent Drost wake-up call, I have long believed police manpower is lacking in Lakewood, in comparison to a place like Cleveland Heights.

When I read your report that notes five thugs pressing officers into a retreat, I respond with the concern of engaged citizen, like you, not a law enforcement professional.

As Sean Wheeler likes to say in reference to courageous conversations, “We don’t know what we don’t know.â€Â￾

Hence I can only guess, while attempting to tease out intelligence and feedback that can penetrate the city’s law enforcement loop.

Perhaps there were not enough cops available to respond so quickly in the quantity needed for the situation.

Does this signal that increased manpower is needed to handle such calls or that a delay is prudent? I don't know.

Perhaps this is a new experience in aggressive thug swarming that the Lakewood Police Department has not ordinarily had to evaluate and manage.

Or perhaps a judgment call to de-escalate a potentially deadly situation was made.

We both appreciate that in the gap prudence, valor, professional law enforcement considerations, editing and what have you will scrub details you witnessed.

In the battle for Lakewood, you are providing critical field intelligence for police decision makers and problem solvers. And that’s a tremendous service.

Thank you so much.

Kenneth Warren

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:20 pm
by Jim O'Bryan
Beajay Michaud wrote:You asked if I personally felt threatened? I felt concern for my family and for my neighbors. I felt like a layer of safety was taken away from us. We never had this on our street. What I saw was a man being brutally beaten by 4 other men. Then I saw then chase the police. How would you feel? In some strange way I feel a little sad.

If a female was battered why did they not call the police themselves? Why did they throw the for sale at the officers and break our neighbors car window? Maybe the police were chasing the invisible man and the thug were helping them catch him. :wink:

Why did the women that came over argue with the officers about arresting anyone? I stayed in our living room with my husband and dogs surrounding me. I talked to dispatch until a large amount of officers came a took control of the situation. I feel like it was more a gang induction than domestic violence.

Beajay

Two stories, one from 5 days ago. (Stats Lost). Then what you witnessed last night.

From what I remembered hearing was the guy getting beat up was acting like an idiot or acting up. They were visiting the girl, not beating her.

The point I was hoping to make was. Do not hesitate to call the police, from a safe distance.




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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:27 pm
by sharon kinsella
There are a lot of things about domestic violence that many people don't understand.

1. 98% of victims are women.
2. It's about power - therefore the person who is victimized is broken down to the point where they feel they have no worth, that they brought it on themselves.
4. Part of the abuse is breaking down the victim and isolating them. They are told repeatedly that no one will want them, that they are stupid and useless.
5. People victimized by domestic violence are threatened with death if they report or complain or run away.
6. These women are also suffering from PTSD.

There are many texts out there that are available so you can understand what this kind of abuse is.

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:35 pm
by Justine Cooper
Jeff,
I bet there are groups out there who would come into the schools and teach things like that to both young boys and girls. I was an educator in Lorain County and went around to schools teaching abstinence AND safe sex since the teen pregnancy rate was so high there and I also added to the curriculum with Dating Violence which I thought was so important.

I wish the schools would implement more of those programs. We are so busy catering to the standardized tests, many graduate without tools necessary for real life.

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:39 pm
by Jim DeVito
Justine Cooper wrote:I wish the schools would implement more of those programs. We are so busy catering to the standardized tests, many graduate without tools necessary for real life.

Amen :D

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:52 pm
by Jim O'Bryan
Sharon/Justine

Maybe you two could work on a piece for the paper, and we could start the education process.

I think with domestic violence climbing, it is long overdue.


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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:55 pm
by sharon kinsella
Jim -

Sure - I'll talk to Justine and see what we can come up with.

Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 8:58 pm
by Justine Cooper
I would volunteer to teach a program in the schools too if they let me. I will call you Sharon!