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Re: Lakewood's Lost Or Endangered Treasures

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 9:28 am
by Shelley Hurd
Jim O'Bryan ....
churches and church going, serves both
a spiritual and social function in a city and community.



Church and Church going also reflect both the spiritual and the social sense of a community one could argue.

Old Lakewood perhaps was better able to support more Churches do to the atmosphere of, inclusion, hometown and neighborhood, community and connectedness which permeated our city.

In this New Lakewood, distain, distrust and otherness is being fostered and propagated by those who have tasked themselves with the rebuilding, reshaping and reconfiguring our, once so loved, so desirable, so unique little City.

One will not find a kernel of Christian compassion nor values in what Lakewood is morphing into.

Sad, yes.

Understandable that the atmosphere of New Lakewood can not support Churches, which are built upon the drawing together people, and sense of community? Most defiantly

Re: Lakewood's Lost Or Endangered Treasures

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 11:55 am
by Jim O'Bryan
Shelley Hurd wrote:Jim O'Bryan ....
churches and church going, serves both
a spiritual and social function in a city and community.



Church and Church going also reflect both the spiritual and the social sense of a community one could argue.

Old Lakewood perhaps was better able to support more Churches do to the atmosphere of, inclusion, hometown and neighborhood, community and connectedness which permeated our city.

In this New Lakewood, distain, distrust and otherness is being fostered and propagated by those who have tasked themselves with the rebuilding, reshaping and reconfiguring our, once so loved, so desirable, so unique little City.

One will not find a kernel of Christian compassion nor values in what Lakewood is morphing into.

Sad, yes.

Understandable that the atmosphere of New Lakewood can not support Churches, which are built upon the drawing together people, and sense of community? Most defiantly



Shelly

I completely agree with what is becoming the perfect storm in Laakewood. Can we
weather it is now the question.

There is no room for community in the regional agenda. So the first thing that needs to
be destroyed is that sense of community. But it comes as a Trojan Horse, because to do
it any other way causes alarm. So build the trust, make it seem fun, and even seem like
community building, while working overtime behind the scenes to destroy that sense.

This is the regional agenda, and Lakewood is clearly in the bull's eye.

However if Lakewoodites, can bring some critical chops to the party, one can ride the
Trojan Horse right out of town on a rail. Lakewood's future is not Dunkin Doghnuts,
with their massive security lights, locked bathrooms, and now making residents want
to flee their homes in the vicinity of the too loud, squawk boxes screaming back, "What
kind of coffee do you want with your..." Nor the increase smell of burned beef fat wafting
down Gladys from Burger King and 5 Guys. It is in the Lakewood owned and operated stores
that respect the community, and come from within the community. The Root Café is a
perfect example, as is the WestEnd, Three Birds, Lion n Blue, etc.

I went into 5 Guys Burgers, (I like the burger) and went to the bathroom, and found it
locked, which to me is rude. I asked for a key and why it was locked and they answered
the people that were on the street, and worked with them advised them to lock their bathroom
doors or they could expect the worse. When asked who, they said local group and Caribou.
Meanwhile The Root Cafe has installed some of the nicest bathrooms in the city, with
gorgeous tile, bowls, art, etc, and no locks.

For some reason the sermon of Lakewood has become Economic Development AT ALL
COSTS! Nevermind the fact that retail is failing, and that everyone is now understanding
what Lakewood has/had is gold. No those pulling the strings are regionalist, and only
care about their bottom line. Close the schools for malls that will never be built, gut
the neighborhoods, and front doors to Lakewood for condos that will never be built. Work
the back hallways and the alleys for their singluar dreams, that will never be fulfilled, and
we must pay the cost forever.

Yes I believe you are right, the soul of Lakewood is under attack, and like the frogs in the
rainforest, the churches are the first to show the signs of trouble ahead.

If the regionalist have their way, we will be the next jail, the next dump, the home for
the criminally insane, and the halfway home of tomorrow, while they escape with the
gold taken from us in their pockets. Those that preach it, are not the friends of Lakewood,
but the Trojan Horses of a bleak dark future.

FWIW


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Re: Lakewood's Lost Or Endangered Treasures

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 12:40 pm
by Shelley Hurd
Those of us with courage enough to over come the fear they try so hard to instill.
Those of us with the stamina enough to hang tuff.
Those of us with Morality enough to refuse to gobble up and be swayed by the propaganda.
Those of us with the Desire to defend and ward off the powerful and pillagers.

Those of us with a sense of Lakewoods character of inclusion and community...

...Can fight off those who veiw Lakewood residents as cowards who can be intimidated, as sheep who will go along passively, as desposable and undesierable interlopers in New Lakewood, as insignificate and expendable cash cows to finace their personal "achivements", as not part of their plan and agenda.

Our LOVE, of Lakewood and our neighborhoods and neighbors, will continue to give us the strength and the drive to do what we can (even at the risk of retaliation) to ward off and defend our hometown from the self minded loathsome ilk who’s destructive force now envelopes and threatens our community.

Drive on, hold them accountable, bring to light what you are able, stand together and above all else... keep the faith.

Jim.. and many others here... You fuel not only my passion, but so many others passion as well... You are proof Lakewood still has good. Lakewood still is a community. Lakewood still has hope.

Re: Lakewood's Lost Or Endangered Treasures

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 1:11 pm
by Jim O'Bryan
Shelly

Thank you for the wonderful year end message.

I agree, we have passion, facts, history and an understanding of community on our sides.

We do not go downtown because of "the beautiful flowers that attract thousands downtown."

We go downtown because we live here, and that is enough for us.

WE go downtown because we love Lakewood, and do not need to change it to Crocker Park,
Belden Village, the next Grafton Prison, etc.

Some of us are at peace, and that is a beautiful thing.


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Re: Lakewood's Lost Or Endangered Treasures

Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2009 4:17 pm
by Jim O'Bryan
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Art seen today on the streets of DowntowN Lakewood.

Re: Lakewood's Lost Or Endangered Treasures

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:39 pm
by Christopher Bindel
Ok, I know, I’m a little late to this thread, anyways…..

To start I want to say that I don’t think the lack of people going to church, or them going to churches outside their city, has anything to do with the selfish ideals of people or them doing it to improver their social or wealth standing. On the other hand I would say it has a lot more to do with a un-Christianization in this country. A lot of people are starting to realize the religion they grew up with doesn’t fit them, so they go looking else where for something that fits their spiritual needs. And with the expansion of education more people are learning more about other cultures and other religions which might fit what they are looking for creating a greater religious diversity in the US and in Lakewood.

Unfortunately for church building, many of these other spiritual or religious ideas aren’t as organized as Christianity and there for do not have buildings or structured times to meet. In fact many are moving more towards a personal religion, one that barrows ideas from many different faiths to create a personal religious philosophy. One will find this throughout Christianity as well but with such a main theme connecting them all it is not noticed as much.

That all being said, if the Christian community is suffering to the point that some of these buildings must go up for sale it would be nice to perhaps see a few of them used for a Mosque or Temple, and maybe perhaps another religious order.

Oh and going back to the original discussion in this thread, I think a building missed on the list of treasures that could be lost is the Hilliard theater.

Re: Lakewood's Lost Or Endangered Treasures

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:24 pm
by Rhonda loje
My husband agrees and has been working to try to find a use and save it for a while now.

Re: Lakewood's Lost Or Endangered Treasures

Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:47 pm
by Jim O'Bryan
Christopher Bindel wrote:Ok, I know, I’m a little late to this thread, anyways…..

To start I want to say that I don’t think the lack of people going to church, or them going to churches outside their city, has anything to do with the selfish ideals of people or them doing it to improver their social or wealth standing. On the other hand I would say it has a lot more to do with a un-Christianization in this country. A lot of people are starting to realize the religion they grew up with doesn’t fit them, so they go looking else where for something that fits their spiritual needs. And with the expansion of education more people are learning more about other cultures and other religions which might fit what they are looking for creating a greater religious diversity in the US and in Lakewood.

Unfortunately for church building, many of these other spiritual or religious ideas aren’t as organized as Christianity and there for do not have buildings or structured times to meet. In fact many are moving more towards a personal religion, one that barrows ideas from many different faiths to create a personal religious philosophy. One will find this throughout Christianity as well but with such a main theme connecting them all it is not noticed as much.

That all being said, if the Christian community is suffering to the point that some of these buildings must go up for sale it would be nice to perhaps see a few of them used for a Mosque or Temple, and maybe perhaps another religious order.

Oh and going back to the original discussion in this thread, I think a building missed on the list of treasures that could be lost is the Hilliard theater.


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Lakewood's "I Hate God" art installation DowntownN, on Mainstreet, seven days later.

Chris

Who are humans to decide and choose?

This is just one of the many problems with this new spiritualism. It is being propagated and
allowed to spread via the baby boomers. These are the same people that drove crappy VW
Beetles with green ecology stickers on them. Well until they could afford the SUV at 10 MPGs
as they zoom along all by themselves on their cell phones tweeting they are headed to Trader
Joes for some Dolphin Safe Tuna for princess. :roll:

Mega churches, teaching the word of Rev Ike and prosperity and that GREED is good, are one
of the many things killing the inner ring suburbs.

My next favorite religious topic has to be "Bunny Pagans" that are searching by getting naked,
and drumming and smoking dope! What ever happened to just saying "Let's Party." Now it is
a spiritual experience. I think that was called STP.

FWIW


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Re: Lakewood's Lost Or Endangered Treasures

Posted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:51 pm
by Jim O'Bryan
Jim O'Bryan wrote:Image
Art seen today on the streets of DowntowN Lakewood.


Jim O'Bryan wrote:
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Lakewood's "I Hate God" art installation DowntownN, on Mainstreet, seven days later.


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Today nearly 10 days later, the "I Hate God" art installation on "Mainstreet" deep in the
heart of Lakewood's "DowntowN" shopping district had been removed or vandalized!
I call this photo "I No Longer Hate God."

What was nearby was a kinetic sculpture that brought back the excitement and the glory
when Lakewood painted that magnificent American Flag on the Detroit/Warren Building.

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I call this "Lakewood Loves and Respects America."

It was a full kinetic piece with spinning wheels and noise!

Right around the corner was...
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So maybe things are not so bad for churches here.



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