Poor Gore Global Warming Debunked by the Internet he created

[Stephen Eisel]

coal and oil burning in the last 200 years have yielded a 35 percent increase in atmospheric C02. a 35 percent increase is pretty significant

News Flash... Those numbers were cooked...

[Roy Pitchford]

Global Warming or not. We need to get on the Green tech boom. China is already on the bandwagon. If we don't act soon an invest in these industries we are once again going to spend the next decades buying tech from China. Just a thought...

It must be cold really cold outside or at least in hell .. I agree with Jim...


http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ ... 970512.htm

China Solar Panel Maker Sets First U.S. Plant
Suntech Power aims to boost its share of the U.S. market with a solar-panel manufacturing plant to be built in Arizona

China is only on the bandwagon because they see an opportunity to make money from us by selling us solar panels and CFLs.

If China cared about the environment, they wouldn't be constructing coal plants at a rate of roughly 1 every 10 days.

Every week to 10 days, another coal-fired power plant opens somewhere in China that is big enough to serve all the households in Dallas or San Diego.

NY Times- 6/11/2006

The green revolution as economic cornerstone is a fad.

For once, I absolutely and completely agree.

What I feel you probably won't agree with ME on, though, is that we're staring at a watermelon that no one has cut yet. Everyone sees the green rind, but you shouldn't forget there's a lot more red hiding under the surface. I remember.

If I may add something to the mix regarding the "green economy". From Bloomberg in March:
Job Losses From Obama Green Stimulus Foreseen in Spanish Study

Subsidizing renewable energy in the U.S. may destroy two jobs for every one created if Spain’s experience with windmills and solar farms is any guide.

For every new position that depends on energy price supports, at least 2.2 jobs in other industries will disappear, according to a study from King Juan Carlos University in Madrid.

[Stephen Eisel]

China is only on the bandwagon because they see an opportunity to make money from us by selling us solar panels and CFLs.

If China cared about the environment, they wouldn't be constructing coal plants at a rate of roughly 1 every 10 days.

Yep, China sees a big ROI in anything green. Imagine if we would have invested a percentage of the bailout into green technologies. Instead, we have literally flushed billions of dollars down the drain in industries that will not create a significant number of new jobs..

[Roy Pitchford]

China is only on the bandwagon because they see an opportunity to make money from us by selling us solar panels and CFLs.

If China cared about the environment, they wouldn't be constructing coal plants at a rate of roughly 1 every 10 days.

Yep, China sees a big ROI in anything green. Imagine if we would have invested a percentage of the bailout into green technologies. Instead, we have literally flushed billions down the drain and have not created a single new job..

I disagree (I think) for a handful of reasons.

1. Give people the ability to invest their own money in what is economically viable. Take out the middleman (government). If that's solar panels, great. If that nuclear power, great. If its making bio-diesel from cow spit, great.

2. Any money invested would have yielded reduced results vs whatever China does. Nothing we build is built inexpensively.

3. Name a green technology and there's someone out there fighting to against it, regardless of how green it is.
Dianne Feinstein fought solar panels in the CA desert, because it would ruin the landscape.
Ted Kennedy fought putting wind power off Nantucket because it would ruin the view of the Atlantic from the compound. There's also the people that protest wind power because of its effect on bats.
Dams on rivers hurt fish.
Nuclear is "too dangerous" ever since Jane Fonda made that movie.

If Obama had tried to invest the money, it would still be sitting there, like most of the stimulus.

[Stephen Eisel]

Roy, do you think that the bailout money was wisely invested? I would have much rather seen the money go to help a domestic solar panel company become more competive then hearing that a major Chinese solar panel company is opening a factory in the US..

[Roy Pitchford]

Roy, do you think that the bailout money was wisely invested? I would have much rather seen the money go to help a domestic solar panel company become more competive then hearing that a major Chinese solar panel company is opening a factory in the US..

No, it was not wisely invested.
Given the choice between those two options, helping a domestic company vs. helping a Chinese one, I'd lean towards domestic (China would most likely build it with or without the money).

However, if my options are more varied, I'd not even "spend" the money. Cut taxes for everyone, which would help all energy companies, not just solar or wind or hydroelectric or geothermal.

[Stephen Eisel]

However, if my options are more varied, I'd not even "spend" the money. Cut taxes for everyone, which would help all energy companies, not just solar or wind or hydroelectric or geothermal.

Agree!

[Dustin James]

However, if my options are more varied, I'd not even "spend" the money. Cut taxes for everyone, which would help all energy companies, not just solar or wind or hydroelectric or geothermal.

Agree!

Especially given the fact that the "money" is not even real. It is debt.

We are swimming in it and for the first time in history, an administration and accomplices in congress have introduced the notion of $trillions into budgetary lexicon, like it's perfectly okay. One thousand billion, as if the stuff pours out of fire hoses. They have raided the treasury. If there is no money there, they print it.

70.8% of the earth's surface (2/3rds) is covered by water. It emits vast sums of CO2 and the even stronger greenhouse gas, methane, far more than we could generate in thousands of years of trying.

A frozen peat bog covering the entire sub-Arctic area of Western Siberia, the size of France and Germany, contains billions of tons of greenhouse gas that is melting for the first time since it was sequestered more than 11,000 years ago before the end of the last ice age.

When Siberian permafrost melts, carbon buried since the Pleistocene era is bubbling to the surface of lakes, and dissipating into the atmosphere as methane, a greenhouse gas 23 times more potent than carbon dioxide. But that's just one natural source. The other is the vast oceans. This has already been going on for thousands, if not millions of years. We think our little presence can tip those kinds of scales? How naive and arrogant we little primates are. If the climate does not show warming for say the last ten years (which is the case), then the climatecult will just make up the figures.

What's the United States EPA going to do about Siberia? Go up there and light a match?
If the Russians and Chinese could figure out a way to harvest it, that whole continent would be oil independent by using methane.

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[Roy Pitchford]

Especially given the fact that the "money" is not even real. It is debt.

We are swimming in it and for the first time in history, an administration and accomplices in congress have introduced the notion of $trillions into budgetary lexicon, like it's perfectly okay. One thousand billion, as if the stuff pours out of fire hoses. They have raided the treasury. If there is no money there, they print it.

There are too few people in Congress that have ran a business. They've lost all concepts of what it means to be financially responsible.

70.8% of the earth's surface (2/3rds) is covered by water. It emits vast sums of CO2 and the even stronger greenhouse gas, methane, far more than we could generate in thousands of years of trying.

A frozen peat bog covering the entire sub-Arctic area of Western Siberia, the size of France and Germany, contains billions of tons of greenhouse gas that is melting for the first time since it was sequestered more than 11,000 years ago before the end of the last ice age.

When Siberian permafrost melts, carbon buried since the Pleistocene era is bubbling to the surface of lakes, and dissipating into the atmosphere as methane, a greenhouse gas 23 times more potent than carbon dioxide. But that's just one natural source. The other is the vast oceans. This has already been going on for thousands, if not millions of years. We think our little presence can tip those kinds of scales? How naive and arrogant we little primates are. If the climate does not show warming for say the last ten years (which is the case), then the climatecult will just make up the figures.

What's the United States EPA going to do about Siberia? Go up there and light a match?
If the Russians and Chinese could figure out a way to harvest it, that whole continent would be oil independent by using methane.

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Let's see the UN try to calculate that carbon footprint.

[Roy Pitchford]

I saw the best picture and caption today:

Claudia Roth, left, leader of the German Green Party, and Jakob Norhoj, right, of the Danish Socialist people's party, put a lifebuoy around planet earth outside parliament, rear, in Copenhagen Friday Dec. 11, 2009.

[Jim DeVito]

You are right. Curse Germany. I for one love the idea that I can loose my job, health insurance, and house all in one shot. God Bless America, unless you are out of work or poor, in witch case your are just not trying hard enough.

[Roy Pitchford]

Actually, my point was in regards to a green party and a social party acting hand-in-hand. I view it as a reminder that at least a large portion of the green movement has been hijacked or is complicit with socialist ideologies of wealth redistribution and stealing freedom. For many, the green movement is nothing more than a way to legitimize these goals.

[Stephen Eisel]

You are right. Curse Germany. I for one love the idea that I can loose my job, health insurance, and house all in one shot. God Bless America, unless you are out of work or poor, in witch case your are just not trying hard enough.

You can always move to Germany

[Jim DeVito]

To Shea... The problem is I should not have to move to Germany to afford Health Care in the richest most powerful country in the world... Don't you owe me a beer? or is that Bill?....

[Stephen Eisel]

To Shea... The problem is I should not have to move to Germany to afford Health Care in the richest most powerful country in the world... Don't you owe me a beer? or is that Bill?....

So, now you want me to pay for your healthcare.. nice Maybe you should move to Europe with that attitude