Mayor's L2L Event Must Be Canceled or Moved

[Amy Martin]

I grocery shop at Heinen's anyway. I can't possibly buy everything I need in Lakewood . . .although I sure could use one of those $100 bath robes from Cotton!!

[cameron karslake]

So I see you'd prefer to spend your cash just outside our city limits Amy! Good for you! You are 100% right; you can withhold your money from any business you like. I guess it just comes down to what you stand for. This is way too trivial an issue for me to make a stand against others over.

Todd,
I'm glad you don't want to take a stand against others, it's your right after all. But to say that losing a hospital that's been around for over 100 years, serving the city as Lakewood grew up, is too " trivial" an issue, I don't agree with that at all. This deal has far reaching consequences and is are anything but trivial.

[kate e parker]

On August 15, 2015, Rozi’s Wine House instructed a friend and me to immediately leave the premises (threw us out) for wearing Save Lakewood Hospital tee shirts. We were shopping for wine for a SLH event and there were no other customers in the store at the time (hey Rozi’s, there are other wine stores. Good riddance).

sorry, leo, but this statement is lacking too much info for me to swallow. how about some context? were you holding wine bottles at the time looking like a customer? was there some sort of verbal exchange? does rozi's have a SLH or BL sign on its property?

or were you just shouted out of the place because of your t-shirt as your initial post claims.

I've been thrown outta places before because I can be a first-rate asshole (or because i'm wearing a steelers' shirt) but never once have I been asked to leave an establishment without some sort of exchange first.

so you can see why I'm thinking "fern" on this.

[Leo Wetula]

On August 15, 2015, Rozi’s Wine House instructed a friend and me to immediately leave the premises (threw us out) for wearing Save Lakewood Hospital tee shirts. We were shopping for wine for a SLH event and there were no other customers in the store at the time (hey Rozi’s, there are other wine stores. Good riddance).

sorry, leo, but this statement is lacking too much info for me to swallow. how about some context? were you holding wine bottles at the time looking like a customer? was there some sort of verbal exchange? does rozi's have a SLH or BL sign on its property?

or were you just shouted out of the place because of your t-shirt as your initial post claims.

I've been thrown outta places before because I can be a first-rate asshole (or because i'm wearing a steelers' shirt) but never once have I been asked to leave an establishment without some sort of exchange first.

so you can see why I'm thinking "fern" on this.

[Leo Wetula]

On August 15, 2015, Rozi’s Wine House instructed a friend and me to immediately leave the premises (threw us out) for wearing Save Lakewood Hospital tee shirts. We were shopping for wine for a SLH event and there were no other customers in the store at the time (hey Rozi’s, there are other wine stores. Good riddance).

sorry, leo, but this statement is lacking too much info for me to swallow. how about some context? were you holding wine bottles at the time looking like a customer? was there some sort of verbal exchange? does rozi's have a SLH or BL sign on its property?

or were you just shouted out of the place because of your t-shirt as your initial post claims.

I've been thrown outta places before because I can be a first-rate asshole (or because i'm wearing a steelers' shirt) but never once have I been asked to leave an establishment without some sort of exchange first.

so you can see why I'm thinking "fern" on this.

You are trying to be very cutesy ("fern"), but you don't even know what the term "plant" means. I have no need to justify the actions of myself or my friend, which were totally legitimate. We went to Rozi's on our own accord to purchase wine. No more brain cells will be wasted on you.

[todd vainisi]

But to say that losing a hospital that's been around for over 100 years, serving the city as Lakewood grew up, is too " trivial" an issue, I don't agree with that at all.

Take a look at the kinds of situations that are normally boycotted. Serious issues about fundamental human liberty and dignity. To suggest that the future of the hospital in any way compares to the kind of injustice that exists in this world is really insulting. Things are not going to stay the same over on Belle road, regardless of who's side you are on, or whether, like me, you have not choosen a side because neither seems particularly beneficial. You are just arguing about which totally imperfect solution you like better or whether you think the mayor and/or CCF has not been forthcoming enough with their plans and whether someone else should be elected. Nobody is being denied the right to marry the person they love, or to participate in democracy, or being forced to labor while pesticides are being dumped into the sky above their heads.

Get some perspective, please.

[Amy Martin]

It appears as though Todd is the once who needs some perspective . . . .and don't try to bullshit us into thinking you haven't made your mind up on this issue either.

[Bridget Conant]

I completely disagree with you, Todd, if you are saying that the hospital issue is not a "serious issue about fundamental human liberty and dignity."

I'm not going to do the work for you, Google will help you, but there are many people from all walks of life concerned about hospitals and healthcare faculties leaving urban and inner ring suburbs to move to wealthier suburban areas with higher income levels and a higher percentage of privately insured patients. This IS a serious social issue if you believe access to health care is a fundamental human right, and I do.

There are people in Lakewood, like myself, who oppose this deal not for some ridiculous attachment to a building, but because it seriously hampers access to healthcare for the poor, the elderly, and the vulnerable. As the hospital goes, so goes the doctors. You will have to leave Lakewood, (like I now do thanks to independent physicians being run out) to see your primary care physician. How many people do not drive or have access to cars? How easy is it to get to Avon or Westlake on a bus?

If you don't see the social justice issues in this case, you are just choosing to ignore them and buy all the BS claims about "the future of healthcare" (meaning the Clinic's business plan) and the lure of "development" which is to me, akin to selling Manhattan for a few beads.

[kate e parker]

You are trying to be very cutesy ("fern"), but you don't even know what the term "plant" means. I have no need to justify the actions of myself or my friend, which were totally legitimate. We went to Rozi's on our own accord to purchase wine. No more brain cells will be wasted on you.

so just thrown out for a t-shirt. made you so mad that you waited almost a week to post about it.

you are right, I should have never called you a "plant".

"patsy" is more appropriate.

[todd vainisi]

. . .and don't try to bullshit us into thinking you haven't made your mind up on this issue either.

I never said I hadn't made up my mind. I actually specifically said I have made up my mind. I'm not with SLH, too much mud slinging and clinging to the past and too much populist, mob mentality stuff going on (like boycotting Lakewood business people). I'm going to pick someone new to vote for as Mayor because I think Summers has too many enemies now to get things done the way we need the mayor to be able to. I already stated this in a previous post. I'm not a member of build lakewood, and I don't think a natatorium or a the mayor's fake hospital proposal is good enough (and it rewards the organization that is the cause of all of this). In my opinion we need a new Mayor to step in and take in all the information (a lot of which I'm sure is unavailable to the public and not revealed in the findings from the court case) and figure out the best action to take, and then take it. Also, I know a little something (not everything, but a little) about the disadvantaged populace here, as my wife was a volunteer nurse at Northcoast for 1/2 a year. Northcoast has even said that it doesn't make a whole lot of difference for those folks whether Lakewood Hospital is there or not.

You core SLHers are so shelled up in your positions you can't make room for opinions that don't line up with your "your side" or "their side". I'm a skeptic. You group could really use some non-negative, non-accusatory publicity. Everything from the SLH side is always so nasty and nobody is ever right but them.

Enjoy your Rozzi's boycott and your boycott of anyone else in this city you want. I think you'll find that, although many are willing to stick signs in their yard, not too many are willing to take action against their fellow Lakewoodites. But regardless, I see this fight with city hall (even though it's CCF who deserves your ire) brings you great satisfaction (or great pleasure from non-satisfaction the way addictive drugs do). Maybe when this is over, you folks can put your energy into doing something that will really help people instead of ripping our community apart about tax dollars and/or whether its 5 miles or 1 mile for some of our disadvantaged citizens to get to a hospital. My guess is you'll just move on to being outraged about something else.

[cameron karslake]

"To suggest that the future of the hospital in any way compares to the kind of injustice that exists in this world is really insulting. Things are not going to stay the same over on Belle road, regardless of who's side you are on, or whether, like me, you have not choosen a side because neither seems particularly beneficial."

Todd,
We all have to pick our battles. My "perspective" is telling me to choose an issue I can actually have an affect on, unlike gay marriage, pesticides, other "injustices" etc. I'm sorry if you feel my passion (and that of others) for the issue is "insulting" and at the expense of the other issues out there. Healthcare delivery is a huge issue in this country and in Lakewood, near and dear to many hearts out there. We are standing on the shoulders of those who were good stewards of the hospital. I don't want to be remembered as the generation that let it all go to hell and cave to the CCF and their business "strategy", rewarding them with a monopoly within our city limits. You are wrong about our "ire" should be focused on the CCF. There is plenty of malfeasance to go around, believe me! The CCF is merely using the incompetence of the LHA to get their way. The LHA are the ones who are rolling over, giving in, playing dead, however you want to put it. Same goes for the mayor and much of council.

You may say you are going to stay neutral over this, but do a little more soul searching and you will realize which camp you are in. You either believe that the most densely populated city in Ohio deserves the hospital it has or you don't. I do. Maybe you believe trading $100+ million in public assets for a $30+ million private investment is a good deal, one we have no choice but to accept. I don't. Then there is the whole loss of jobs angle...don't get me started! Do the research about how all the players have behaved, then get out on the street and fight for what you believe in. That's what I'm doing. Pick your battle or stay on the sidelines, your choice, but don't put down those who get involved in order to feel less powerless in this society.