Grammar, Vocabulary Question For The Group

[Jim O'Bryan]

The other day I was speaking with a person that is about as centrist on this topic as myself,
but he is slight farther to "one side" than I am. But it is always a great conversation, and
here was part of the conversation.

BCKGROUND. It was about some of the terminology thrown around by me, and seems
over the top. We talked for awhile, and we went back and forth seeing the other person's
side, but still ending where we started with similar but slightly different views.

Why is it more proper to say a person lied, then saying they are a liar?

When one uses the words, "deceit, deception, dishonesty, disinformation, distortion, evasion, fabrication, falsehood, fiction, forgery, inaccuracy, misrepresentation, myth, perjury, slander, tale, aspersion, backbiting, calumniation, calumny, defamation, detraction, fable, falseness, falsification, falsity, fib, fraudulence, guile, hyperbole, invention, libel, mendacity, misstatement, obloquy, prevarication, revilement, reviling, subterfuge, vilification, whopper, tall story, white lie”

What is the general thought of what you really think or read?

If someone told you something 180 degree different from the truth, in an effort to deceive you and others, and they knew they were doing it…

... You would call it?

Discuss, as we try to move to a kinder gentler Deck.

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[ryan costa]

morality relies on judgement.
law relies on grammar and diction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theor ... Sentiments

[Jim O'Bryan]

morality relies on judgement.
law relies on grammar and diction.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Theor ... Sentiments

Great link answer!

Kind of, it explains the outrage, but doesn't answer the question.

At least the half I read, will finish later, fascinating stuff.


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[Alex Belisle]

It's a difference between syntax vs. diction and descriptive vs. prescriptive grammars. Then there is the vocabulary aspect where there is usually a nice way to say something yet still maintain the same meaning.

[Brian Essi]

Jim,

I would and could call it any or all of the above--but these are all just words describing the person or their behavior. The bottom line is the behavior is not truthful and is wrong.

Political Correctness
The avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.

Someone could say the accuser using the words Jim cited above is filled with "hate."

"Truth sounds like hate to those who hate the truth."

This is not meant to discount the important and thoughtful comments by posters on other threads that refer to me and perhaps other posters as bullies creating an unfriendly reputation for the Deck.

Bully
A blustering browbeating person; especially : one habitually cruel to others who are weaker.

Bullying
Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power, which distinguishes bullying from conflict.

I take ownership and accept full responsibility for my posts and I encourage any criticism of them (directly or indirectly--for the substance or the tone).

For example, I accept the belief that Todd Heckeler was "disadvantaged," "weaker" and "powerless" in relation to me, and I was "cruel" to him when I ridiculed him and exposed his dishonest tactics.

So calling me a bully in relation to Todd is fair, but it does not change the fact that Todd was caught being untruthful and was wrong.

Keep in mind that Jim created this thread as a result of legitimate push back against rhetoric that had become harsh on very important issues.

The First Amendment was "first" because it was and is very important, but it produces things people sometimes don't like to see

Work horses don't usually make good show horses, but both leave behind some unpleasantness.

[Jim O'Bryan]

It's a difference between syntax vs. diction and descriptive vs. prescriptive grammars. Then there is the vocabulary aspect where there is usually a nice way to say something yet still maintain the same meaning.

Alex

Leave it to an English teacher.

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[Jim O'Bryan]

Keep in mind that Jim created this thread as a result of legitimate push back against rhetoric that had become harsh on very important issues.

The First Amendment was "first" because it was and is very important, but it produces things people sometimes don't like to see

Work horses don't usually make good show horses, but both leave behind some unpleasantness.

Brian


If you are talking about my conversation, it was semi-legit.

Most of the blow-back I am going through on the Deck is just a healthy exercise of
reflection on this project. Most people telling me what the Deck needs for them to take
part would never wade in, even if we did exactly what they asked. We go through this
with ever major issue.

It is not the bullying, or the bad words, because they throw out some mean spiteful stuff
too. But behind fake names, or delete it days later. So you can totally defame a person
wait two days, let everyone read it and hopefully people respond in anger, they delete
their post and they spread their filth, and make the other person look like a raving fool.

Right out of the troll playbook.

It is not the hate, they will tell you with a smile why the HATE the Deck, and Hate the
people who post, and they are fill in any negative adjective. They'll call each other on the
phone and trash the Deck and posters all day long, but they don't step in.

And then there is the problem of the record, no deleting after 15 minutes. So you have to
be willing to stand behind your post, or get ready to eat crow.

The cost to join? Your real name, and be accountable. That is all that is asked. Funny how
it is perceived as the tool of Satan. From that point on all legal remedies are available to
all. Observations about the city we all love.

In return for those two things, we do not use your conversation to make money, (no ads)
We do not use your personal information for anything, ever. (no email blasts) Most of the
personal information you give you can delete after being verified. We share no lists. The
limit to the conversation is whatever you want as long as it falls into 2 categories,
"Lakewood," or "The Rest of The World."

Anyone can read, to partake be ready to be accountable.

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