Build Lakewood Lies About Hospital & Then Erases History

[Kate McCarthy]

Just noticed that Build Lakewood has finally decided to abandon that the proposed medical office building "is a hospital under Ohio law" nonsense.

http://www.buildlakewood.org/#!hospital/c10d6

[cameron karslake]

Finally, they have decided to nix some of their misinformation, yea!

But there is so much more that's still wrong...

According to that page:

"CCF will bear all costs of demolition of the old hospital facilities..."

When was that decided and changed from the original LOI? The city is to bear the costs of demolition as far as I know. Then the city will sell the "clean" land to CCF from what I understand. The CCF wants no part in the demolition from what I've heard.

"family health center will provide more services to Lakewood residents than Lakewood Hospital does currently"

People have been asking the CCF exactly what is going to be in this health center and have refused to confirm anything that is listed on their website. The Huron report says that Lakewood must first conduct a "public needs assessment" before deciding what Lakewood needs to have in the health center AND THEN negotiate with the CCF about what is needed at the health center. Nothing is decided and everything has to be negotiated, therefore none of these services are guaranteed. Does anyone know how well our beloved council will be able to negotiate with the CCF? Do they have a proven track record with such dealings?

"build a new Lakewood ER & Family Health Center that will keep our community healthy and growing well into the next century"

I don't know about you, but my health is determined by me. My genes, my lifestyle and my choices determine how healthy I am, neither a hospital nor a family health center can do that. Those entities are there when I make a bad choice or something happens beyond my control. Which would you rather have in your town when a serious injury happens to you? A hospital or a family health center? The choice is clear to me, a hospital! Also, I'm not sure how a family health center can "grow" a community. How, exactly, is that done?

"Lakewood hospital has served us well since 1907; however, we can't "save" the past."

Ignoring the thinly veiled dig on savelakewoodhospital.org, from what I understand they are not trying to "save" the past. They are trying to save the future(!) of health services in the city of Lakewood. Saving an incredibly valuable asset for those residents who may need it in the FUTURE. This has nothing to do with the past. Yes, the hospital has served us well for over 100 years. Do we have any confirmation that a family health center will be able to do as much good as a hospital does? Or that it will last as long as our standing hospital has? After all, this health center is to "keep out community healthy and growing in the next century". That means to me that this center is to be around well past the year 2100? Does anyone really believe that is to be the case?

[marklingm]

Make no mistake about it, what is being proposed by the Cleveland Clinic and the Lakewood Hospital Foundation is a hospital under Ohio law.

For those of you keeping score at home, here are screen grabs of when Build Lakewood was lying to Lakewood by stating that:






Note that the Build Lakewood leadership was informed that its hospital representation was a lie on or about July 9, 2015 (if not earlier) and, yet, Build Lakewood kept lying to Lakewood until just recently.

[Bridget Conant]

Thank you. A definitive, documented change in the "narrative." Thanks for the shot of the old page.

[Pam Wetula]

Thank you so much for saving the page. Now buildlakewood cannot lie about the lies they put on their site for months.

[Brian Essi]

Make no mistake about it, what is being proposed by the Cleveland Clinic and the Lakewood Hospital Foundation and Mike Summers is DEFINITELY POSITIVELY ABSOLUTELY NOT a hospital under Ohio law.

[Tim Liston]

What is a "hospital" and what is not is pretty nebulous. I think what is a hospital and what is not is not defined by Ohio. It's defined by the Cleveland Clinic.

A month ago my wife, dissatisfied with her current endocrinologist, went to the Clinic's "Lorain Family Health Center." I'm staring at the bill right now. For the first time, I am seeing a facility fee for "Hospital Services." I'm pretty sure there are no real hospital services there. To me, a hospital is a place that takes patients who need acute, inpatient care.

The current Avon facility (the "Richard E. Jacobs Health Center") also charges a facility fee. Dunno whether that's considered a "Hospital Service" because nobody in my family has been to CC Avon.

The whole thing is a racket and nobody plays it better than the Clinic. Seems to me it's all about collecting extra money for "facility fees."

[marklingm]

What is a "hospital" and what is not is pretty nebulous.

Tim,

Make no mistake, Build Lakewood and Team Summers were not referring to a nebulous hospital.

Build Lakewood ad Team Summers were referring to and directing followers and readers to the legal definition of a hospital as set forth in the Ohio Revised Code.

The Build Lakewood original website hyperlink (see the above screen grab) even sent readers to R.C. Chapter 3727 (http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3727) but they forgot that the Ohio Revised Code Chapter actually starts off with the legal definition of a hospital.

Specifically, R.C. 3727.01 provides that:

Health maintenance organization - hospital defined.

(A) As used in this section, "health maintenance organization" means a public or private organization organized under the law of any state that is qualified under section 1310(d) of Title XIII of the "Public Health Service Act," 87 Stat. 931 (1973), 42 U.S.C. 300e-9, or that does all of the following:

(1) Provides or otherwise makes available to enrolled participants health care services including at least the following basic health care services: usual physician services, hospitalization, laboratory, x-ray, emergency and preventive service, and out-of-area coverage;

(2) Is compensated, except for copayments, for the provision of basic health care services to enrolled participants by a payment that is paid on a periodic basis without regard to the date the health care services are provided and that is fixed without regard to the frequency, extent, or kind of health service actually provided;

(3) Provides physician services primarily in either of the following ways:

(a) Directly through physicians who are either employees or partners of the organization;

(b) Through arrangements with individual physicians or one or more groups of physicians organized on a group-practice or individual-practice basis.

(B) As used in this chapter:

(1) "Children's hospital" means any of the following:

(a) A hospital registered under section 3701.07 of the Revised Code that provides general pediatric medical and surgical care, and in which at least seventy-five per cent of annual inpatient discharges for the preceding two calendar years were individuals less than eighteen years of age;

(b) A distinct portion of a hospital registered under section 3701.07 of the Revised Code that provides general pediatric medical and surgical care, has a total of at least one hundred fifty registered pediatric special care and pediatric acute care beds, and in which at least seventy-five per cent of annual inpatient discharges for the preceding two calendar years were individuals less than eighteen years of age;

(c) A distinct portion of a hospital, if the hospital is registered under section 3701.07 of the Revised Code as a children's hospital and the children's hospital meets all the requirements of division (B)(1)(a) of this section.

(2) "Hospital" means an institution classified as a hospital under section 3701.07 of the Revised Code in which are provided to inpatients diagnostic, medical, surgical, obstetrical, psychiatric, or rehabilitation care for a continuous period longer than twenty-four hours or a hospital operated by a health maintenance organization. "Hospital" does not include a facility licensed under Chapter 3721. of the Revised Code, a health care facility operated by the department of mental health and addiction services or the department of developmental disabilities, a health maintenance organization that does not operate a hospital, the office of any private licensed health care professional, whether organized for individual or group practice, or a clinic that provides ambulatory patient services and where patients are not regularly admitted as inpatients. "Hospital" also does not include an institution for the sick that is operated exclusively for patients who use spiritual means for healing and for whom the acceptance of medical care is inconsistent with their religious beliefs, accredited by a national accrediting organization, exempt from federal income taxation under section 501 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, 100 Stat. 2085, 26 U.S.C.A. 1, as amended, and providing twenty-four hour nursing care pursuant to the exemption in division (E) of section 4723.32 of the Revised Code from the licensing requirements of Chapter 4723. of the Revised Code.

(3) "Joint commission" means the commission formerly known as the joint commission on accreditation of healthcare organizations or the joint commission on accreditation of hospitals.

Amended by 130th General Assembly File No. 25, HB 59, §101.01, eff. 9/29/2013.

Amended by 129th General AssemblyFile No.127, HB 487, §101.01, eff. 9/10/2012.

Amended by 128th General Assemblych.127, SB 79, §1, eff. 10/6/2009.

Effective Date: 04-10-2001; 2008 SB279 01-06-2009

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3727.01

Build Lakewood and Team Summers knowingly lied about their "make no mistake" hospital declaration.

This issue is discussed at length in many threads here, on the Deck, including, but not limited to, the "Breaking News: Clinic to Build 'New Lakewood Hospital'" thread at http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13476 and the "Why And/Or How Does Build Lakewood Know More Than..." thread at http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=13573.

If Build Lakewood and Team Summers will lie about a simply legal definition of a hospital, what else will they lie to us about?

More importantly, what else have Build Lakewood and Team Summers lied to us about?





Matt

[Jim O'Bryan]

Tim

You cannot really fault corporations for acting like corporations.

However you can fault the people we appointed and elected to protect us from
corporations acting like corporations.

What is the most staggering to me outside of the ethics violations is the number of times
Law Director Butler wrote about, "the mayor closing the hospital."

I remember the mayor with the law director nearby assuring us, "The Observer is wrong
Lakewood Hospital is not closing." Yet he and his law director wrote about the mayor closing
it for months and months and months.

Hmmmmmmmmmm

Disconnect, or cover-up?

.

[Brian Essi]

What is the most staggering to me outside of the ethics violations is the number of times
Law Director Butler wrote about, "the mayor closing the hospital."

I remember the mayor with the law director nearby assuring us, "The Observer is wrong
Lakewood Hospital is not closing." Yet he and his law director wrote about the mayor closing
it for months and months and months.

Jim,

No worries---Summers, Madigan and Bullock and LHA have no legal authority to close Lakewood Hospital--they will never get the votes before they leave office.

So if it closes on their watch, LHA, Summers, Madigan and Bullock will be liable in a court of law because it will be an illegal closure.

I am told by an expert that the D&O insurance will not cover the Trustees. Summers is collectible for some of the losses--I suspect there are others on the Board with deep pockets--many will be wiped out personally. So no worries. We are covered and can rebuild.

[Tim Liston]

Matt, then tell me why I am being charged for "Hospital Services" at Lorain Family Health Center? That was the point of my earlier post.

And in your (A) (1) above, what exactly is "hospitalization? Is that not a bit self-referencing?

I guess in my mind it doesn't matter a great deal what Ohio law says. They're bought off.

[marklingm]

Matt, then tell me why I am being charged for "Hospital Services" at Lorain Family Health Center? That was the point of my earlier post.

Sorry about that, Tim.

I thought we were talking about Build Lakewood and Team Summers lying about the "hospital" here in Lakewood.

I am not familiar with how the Lorain Family Health Center runs.

Start a new thread and maybe someone will know the answer.

Matt

[Tim Liston]

If you are implying thread drift, no way. Any facility or practice that can charge for "Hospital Services," they'd have to be a hospital, right? Like Lorain Family Health Center did. And presumably like a Lakewood Family Health Center and ER would.

If you can charge for "Hospital Services" you would presumably be a hospital. Just as if you charged for legal services, you would be a lawyer....

I still say it's nebulous. As is the case with most things when mega corps butt heads with government, in the context of a broken legal system. And as I implied, the Clinic has (1) found loopholes in the definition, and (2) bought off the politicians. So the statues can say whatever, if the practical outcome is that a Family Health Center can charge for Hospital Services, it's a hospital. Right?

[Brian Essi]

Tim,

When you are as big as the Clinic, you think that you can say and do anything you please--so that's what they do.

I had the same problem with CCF even though I had top notch insurance---if I got blood drawn per my CCF doctor's orders at a CCF family clinic, they still billed it from downtown so I got the "hospital/facility" charge --so Medical Mutual said I had to pay it because that was the way CCF billed it---to get more money$$$ for doing nothing more.

Solution: I go to Quest Lab for my blood work---I pay close to nothing.

My suggestion (not legal advice) is to tell them go *@%&! They will likely write it off.

Next time go to a better hospital system or different doctor.

[marklingm]

Just one minute, Tim.

Hurry!

Get the screen grabs ready!

Team Summers and Build Lakewood are still lying about the hospital issue!

I would have thought they would have hired better website wipers with all the cash the Team Summers and Build Lakewood folks have in hand.

As of now, Team Summers and Build Lakewood still argue that:

Q: How can you call what the Cleveland Clinic proposed a hospital?
A: The proposed facility will offer a state-of-the-art, 24-hour ER. It will also house primary care physicians offering MORE services than the current Lakewood Hospital. Under Ohio Law, that qualifies as a hospital.

http://www.buildlakewood.org/#!faqs/c1dqg

Okay, Tim.

Sorry.

I am not familiar with the Lorain Family Health Center situation.

Did the Lorain mayor sell out the Citizens of Lorain, too?

Matt