Where’s the inclusion?

[marklingm]

It amazes me that you can take, proven liars at face value, yet question those that did the homework.

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But me personally, it is the lying I cannot stomach from elected officials and city hall.

Amen, Jim.





Matt

[Jim Kenny]

Jim O'Bryan: I don't think I've been lied to by anyone. I do understand many people want me to believe the issues as they believe these. I cited my neighbor as an example. He didn't lie to me, but he was insistent that I chase down our elected officials because he believed a rumor he was told. It supposedly had originated by a reliable source he couldn't name if forced by a court of law. Please trust that I have challenged our elected officials when making inquiries. Like many here, they have presented information in ways that supports their understanding of the issues. I don't consider being selective lying. Inconsiderate, maybe, but not lying.

Nonetheless, I do believe the facts presented to City Council by the Mayor and his administration that I have cited are worthy of our trust. Otherwise, we need to indict them for fraud. We might not like what they're saying, how they're saying it and when they say it, but these aren't crimes.

Trust me on this. If the DeVito lawsuit is permitted to move forward, I will be more suspect. If it fails to proceed, we all need to work like a community and not treat others like the enemy because they have a different opinion. I value our community too much to sit idly by and watch unneeded divisions. It's my faith in you and the others at the Observation Deck that keeps me coming back. Thanks for having me.

[Jim O'Bryan]

Jim

Outside of health care is changing, I have found zero truth in anything else council or the
mayor is saying. ZERO

Where do you want to start? Mayor Summers said he had the LOI in Janurary.

Actually the date was September 10. When the Clinic was eager to announce it, as the
Mayor had assured them of a "slam dunk." However the City needed until Mid-June. That
was so that the Active Living Task Force, originally, the Recreations Task, recently renamed
to the Active Living and Recreation Task Force get their study that we need a rec center out.
We have the 5 questions that will be rolled into another FAKE survey into needing mixused
green space and a rec center. BET ON IT.

The Mayor said the hospital is staying. Absolutely no one but you is using the term
Hospital. Everyone else has dropped is as it would need licensed beds. Another lie.

Jim, all the mayor has to do is come out and tell the truth. But I am quickly finding it
is impossible.

Don't get spun by anyone, get the LOI and do the math. Yourself, without talking to any
spin. If you think the city can handle the deal, then support it and state why with facts.
Everyone else has. You would seem to be the only one outside of this lying administration
that says, "No trust them" Which means we can afford to loose $75 million immediately,
$3 million a year minimum for the next 10 years, and throw away 1,100 jobs and all of the
traffic that comes with it.

I have no problem getting past the Hospital, but the entire rest is a nightmare, that we
cannot go back on. Once it is gone, it is gone. NOW IS THE TIME TO FIGURE THIS OUT.
Even council doesn't trust council any longer. That should be a warning sign.

I have known these players for decades, I wish they could be trusted, they cannot. I would
have voted for Mayor Summers again, eagerly, until the lying, and now hiring known cyber
stalkers, bullies, and identity impersonators, means he cares more for lies and threats, then
he cares for the safety of every Lakewoodite.

I don't need speculation, I do not need to guess. Like Brian Essi, and others, we have
spoken with those involved, we have read the documents, we have gotten the emails,
and we have read their words going back to 2013, and found it a nightmare of lies, and fantasy.

Mayor Summers, has lost his way, and his moral compass.


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[Jim Kenny]

Wow. Jim, if what you report here is true, I encourage to please alert the appropriate authorities. The man you're describing sounds more like Nixon than the man who once served as my Ward 3 council representative and our now mayor. I’m sincere. Please pursue it.

[Brian Essi]

I do agree with Jim Kenny---the cumulative evidence uncovered by Deck observers warrants indictments.

[Bill Call]

You are doing a great service by defending the Mayors proposal. Your documentation will be an even greater service.[/quote]

Mr. Call: The amount of research that you drummed up in a short window is impressive. I can't begin to spend adequate time with it. I can tell you my objective isn't defense of anything more than my pursuit of the truth. My sources of information came from attending the Mayor's January presentation, subsequent City Council meetings, inquiries made to Shawn Juris, Mike Summers and Dru Siley, in addition to discussions with neighbors as I sorted through my thinking.

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OK, fine. The Lakewood Health Center will look nothing like the Twinsburg Health Center.

Lakewood's Health Center will have the same staffing as the East Cleveland Family Health Center, will have about 100 lower level jobs and be a good place to go for a sprained ankle or sore throat. At this point the only thing we don't know is if the Center will offer cooking classes.

FUBAR

Will the next Mayor be able to salvage ANYTHING from this fiasco?

[marklingm]

I do agree with Jim Kenny---the cumulative evidence uncovered by Deck observers warrants indictments.

Brian,

You better make copies of any police reports - immediately - just to be sure they don't "disappear."

Matt

[Jim O'Bryan]

I do agree with Jim Kenny---the cumulative evidence uncovered by Deck observers warrants indictments.

Brian,

You better make copies of any police reports - immediately - just to be sure they don't "disappear."

Matt

Matt

You sound like you have had trouble with this in the past.

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[Scott Hargrove]

Isn't is possible that the inept mayor and council people have horribly botched this process, not been forthright with the truth and damaged their credibility; but, changing the healthcare model in Lakewood is the correct move? A broken clock is right twice a day.

It does appear that the prevailing opinion is that one must be all in to save the hospital and disparage the administration or level the hospital and support the city 'leaders'.

I do believe the healthcare delivery model is changing and that has an impact on our community. I feel that I can still conveniently get to either Fairview or Lutheran, but recognize that underserved and elderly residents will experience a greater impact without a clear support plan.

I am also disgusted by the way the city leaders have handled this whole process from the announcement to the close door meetings. I certainly will not be voting for incumbents in future elections.

Looking forward to getting shot down. The clock is ticking.....

[Jim O'Bryan]

Isn't is possible that the inept mayor and council people have horribly botched this process, not been forthright with the truth and damaged their credibility; but, changing the healthcare model in Lakewood is the correct move? A broken clock is right twice a day.

Scott

My god I think you have it. Add in some sneaky friends with agendas, and a big bad bad
clinic ready to scoop up anything anyone is stupid enough to give them.

Brian Essi, might be the only person I know who has dug harder or farther on this. I would
say you completely captured this.

NOW THE PROBLEM

How does the city allow a stupid, corrupt bad idea from going forward,
while they look into their own destiny?

Do we allow bad leaders to lead?

Do we keep their sneaky friends involved?

Everything I have seen, makes the hospital potentially moot by 2020, and certainly by
2026. Well that is a hospital without a large Tier 1 backer.

But they gives us more than enough time to look, restudy with new options which are
many, and reset the table to an open honest process.

Mayor Summers makes a convincing tale of healthcare changing. But the numbers and
process from that very moment are incredibly bad. It is rare when you can do nothing
let the place go to hell and still be $25 million ahead.

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[Bridget Conant]

In many ways this issue is the West End redux. I believe the arrogance exhibited then bothered people, as now, and when the administration tells you it's a "done deal" it's like flaunting it in your face. When the schools needed to be rebuilt and reconfigured, the community came together and offered input into the process. There was very little fighting because everyone felt they had a place at the table. No one was made to feel incompetent to render an opinion. That's how Lakewood works best -together.

This deal was hatched in secret. We were kept in the dark and then suddenly told what we were getting and it was clear there were no other options. Now we are told we must hurry and close the deal or we'll face some horrible future - just like the West End when Ned Hill wrote a letter to the PD predicting an abandoned, ghetto like city if we didn't go ahead with the plan.

Then, as now, there WERE other options, but we were not listened to. The project might have been doable taking only the apartment buildings, and many West End opponents would have been able to support a smaller footprint. Similarly, I'm sure there are other options that Lakewood could pursue regarding CCF and the hospital, but we can't even talk about them without being accused of being "emotional," or too stupid to understand "the changing face of health care."

When you marginalize people, when you lie to them, when your arrogance prevents you from listening to their concerns, you are bound to fail. Like Mr Hargrove, I believe that other options are possible. I'm certainly not attached to the hospital - I'm not a native and I had my kids elsewhere. My concern is the loss of jobs, loss of income, lack of transparency and inclusiveness, lack of provision for the poor and elderly, and the vague answers we get when we ask what "development" they have in mind.

[Jim O'Bryan]

Isn't is possible that the inept mayor and council people have horribly botched this process, not been forthright with the truth and damaged their credibility; but, changing the healthcare model in Lakewood is the correct move? A broken clock is right twice a day.

Scott

The more I think about this, the more I wonder. I can buy stupid and inept, but if a drawing
ever surfaces with a Rec Center/Wellness Center and Mixed Use Greenspace on it before
2015 I think the whole crew should go to jail.

The Mayor has denied it, the Council President has denied it, Jay Foran denied it,
the now in-private-sector Brian Powers has denied it, others have denied it.

Should a map/drawing ever surface that shows let's say a Wellness Center/Rec Center
or Mixed use green space before the LOI in January of 2015, and it is a drawing that the
LHA or City Hall said didn't exist and/or was not ever part of the reason for the LOI, those people should step down from their elected office, or appointed post, and leave in shame.

Especially if they are involved in the Active Living Task Force and/or the LHF.

But I have been assured that it just doesn't exist.

"Yet another piece of Jim OB BS."

I hope they are right, I would hate to think that they are that evil.

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[Brian Essi]

Scott,

I appreciate your comments. There are god people on Council who are being lied to just like you and I, so be careful on who you vote in. A majority of Council want a change of leadership.

From the beginning I tried to work with Mayor Summers, all Councilmembers and LHA Trustees. Mary Louise Madigan never engaged with me--someone told me Summers warned her not to talk with me because she could not handle me. The Mayor shut me down once he realized I wasn't buying the pile of manure he's trying to sell. The trustees and CCF's lawyers shut me down when they learned I was getting too close to the truth and that I broke through the inner circle. All but a few Trustees are too scared to speak.

I have learned some of the darkest secrets in our City government, LHA and CCF. They are currently putting sugar on the manure to hide the smell. Sadly, much of this deal had nothing to do with healthcare--for example, listen carefully to Mayor Summers' words at the 9 minutes into the January 28, 2015 Beck Center forum--he actually foreshadows the what this is all about.

Jim,

I know that the documents you are looking for exist from May, 2014 and if Jim Kenny is right, indictments are in order. Cracks are appearing in the inner circle.

[Michael Deneen]

Jim,

I know that the documents you are looking for exist from May, 2014 and if Jim Kenny is right, indictments are in order. Cracks are appearing in the inner circle.

Here is link to the January 28 meeting in question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIgkF7n ... 1F&index=9

[Jim O'Bryan]

Jim,

I know that the documents you are looking for exist from May, 2014 and if Jim Kenny is right, indictments are in order. Cracks are appearing in the inner circle.

Brian

Jay, Mike Mary Louise, and others swore up and down, back and forth it was started with
the LOI, and it was not driven by someone's attempt to get a rec center and soccer fields.
When I pointed out numerous times, there was such a drawing, our leaders called me
crazy and a liar. If that drawing exist, these people are worse than Demora.

Now I am getting sick, and mad.

I hope you are wrong, that would make these people evil.

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