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http://media.lakewoodobserver.com/issue_pdfs/Observer_Vol_11_Issue_01.pdf

Welcome back! We kick off our this year with diving into what has been called by past mayors "the most pressing issue to happen in Lakewood for decades." One would think it certainly has a massive impact on the City of Lakewood. It would be tragic to any city to lose their largest employer, especially when the employer is as important to a community as Lakewood Hospital is for Lakewood. This is akin to GM closing plants in Detroit. A total of over 500 mostly high paying jobs could be lost forever. While Lakewood Hospital only has 3 full-time doctors, they have nearly 100 part-time doctors, and 495 nurses. all making “health care money.” Strictly speaking as a business, there is gold in those workers in the form of income taxes.

If we add in that we are losing one of our largest philanthropy groups in Lakewood, the tragedy grows. The Cleveland Clinic has not just been a willing participant they have often been the fuel in the fire for DowntowN improvements, through groups like LakewoodAlive. They have been the largest form of funding for North Coast Health Ministry. Over $6 million a year pumped into the economy directly from the pockets of the Clinic. Then there is the support for the hospital, restaurants, clothing stores, homes and apartments, the fallout could be crippling. In the middle of a 30-year contract, why is this even coming up?

Over a decade ago the Lakewood Observer was started when we found out, through many various projects, that often the rumors on the street were more accurate than the silence from City Hall or far worse, the spin coming from City Hall. It was so bad at times that civic leaders would be using multiple accounts and names online to spin with no truth, and no accountability. What we found out early is that a vetted forum, with real names, offered a chance to sort all of what was said. Information coming in could easily be validated or thrown to the curb. If you look back at the earlier days of the Observer you will see that the more civic leaders became in tune with the project, the quicker the response time, often troubling, and disruptive, but generally the most truthful, and I would say the most relevant.

“A basic tenet of a healthy democracy is open dialogue and transparency.” - Peter Fenn

It is that belief upon which the Observer Media Project was formed and has dedicated itself to since the beginning. Not that we are right, but that we have a right to hear the truth from City Hall and our elected officials, and we deserve a place to talk about what we are told and formulate our own ideas. We are not worried about breaking the news as much as we are dedicated to understanding and discussing the news and how it affects the city we all love and live or work in.

Anything that takes away or tries to limit the discussion-- marginalization, spin, faux names with even wilder tales, are a cancer to the community, and take away from the basic tenet of a healthy democracy. Don't listen to the hype or the spin, stop by the Deck for a quick read, pick up the paper, and please join the project, the conversation and volunteer for the project. You might be amazed at just how open and loving this project is to the City of Lakewood. It costs nothing, we do not assulat you with email blasts, questions, asking for money, or ask you to do anything you do not want to or that you don't believe in. We are your friends and neighbors, who have decided that, for ten minutes a day, to talk about Lakewood is a very, very good thing.

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Well, your minor act of rebellion didn't last very long.

I'm not all that interested in hearing that privately a lot of people are concerned about the loss of the hospital. What are they going to DO?

Three doctors in Lakewood? Really? The hundred or so "part time" doctors don't count because they are not really Lakewood doctors. They can work at Lakewood Hospital if they can't convince their patients to go to Avon where they live and work but they would rather stay close to home.

It wasn't too long ago that Lakewood Hospital had 1,600 full time employees.

Someone once told me that the Clinic is giving a lesson on how to dismantle a hospital. I think the Lakewood Observer is giving a glimpse at how a hospital can be dismantled without a word of protest from community leaders.

It's all very odd. Lorain County and the City of Avon fought for wider freeways, fought for new freeway exits, fought for business expansion, fought for a major medical center, fought for a new hospital, fought for hotels, business and residents. What does Lakewood fight for? A Rec Center?
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Bill Call wrote:Well, your minor act of rebellion didn't last very long.

I'm not all that interested in hearing that privately a lot of people are concerned about the loss of the hospital. What are they going to DO?

Three doctors in Lakewood? Really? The hundred or so "part time" doctors don't count because they are not really Lakewood doctors. They can work at Lakewood Hospital if they can't convince their patients to go to Avon where they live and work but they would rather stay close to home.

It wasn't too long ago that Lakewood Hospital had 1,600 full time employees.

Someone once told me that the Clinic is giving a lesson on how to dismantle a hospital. I think the Lakewood Observer is giving a glimpse at how a hospital can be dismantled without a word of protest from community leaders.

It's all very odd. Lorain County and the City of Avon fought for wider freeways, fought for new freeway exits, fought for business expansion, fought for a major medical center, fought for a new hospital, fought for hotels, business and residents. What does Lakewood fight for? A Rec Center?


Bill

I am sorry to disappoint, but that is how I see it as of right now, at least with those willing
to go on record, which is no one. I have spoken with people at the highest levels on both
sides, and they have said some things, but nothing I am willing to print without the quote.

You have an issue with the Cleveland Clinic, we have spoken about it, and it is your battle,
not mine. I understand that so much of it leads you to watching diminishing services at
Lakewood Hospital, and that for years, you projected them leaving. Sometimes with good
reason. Yet for years I would be dragged into the Clinic's office to hear their side, and to
diffuse all of the rumors. This was also true during the close of Huron Road which we
covered in the Collinwood Observer.

It kind of reminds me a bit of the argument between Mayor Summers and Matt Markling.
Two side to every fight, one often is right, the other is often wrong, but perception is
everything. No one has put more on the line with this story than yours truly. If you want
to rewrite it, then have at it.

You are probably happy to see the Clinic leave, me not so much so. You might want the
big headline CLINIC CLOSES... me, I just want what is best for the city, whatever that is.

While I'll admit that going from 1,600 employees (a number I have not checked) to just
over 600 is troubling. But I would ask, why is that possible, and I am sure the answer
would come, "The changing face of healthcare..." When you and I were born, our mothers
spent days in the hospital before and after birth. Now it is almost outpatient. It is possible
that Lakewood does not need the hospital, but I want to understand why.

As for the Rec/Wellness Center, I am mystified over why a mayor would want to trade 600
medical jobs for 10 towel boys, but perhaps he has a reason, and perhaps it is a good one,
but as he works for us, and the hospital is owned by us, I want some damn good solid
reasons for the drastic change in this.

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Jim O'Bryan
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[quote="Jim O'Bryan]

You have an issue with the Cleveland Clinic, we have spoken about it, and it is your battle,
not mine. I understand that so much of it leads you to watching diminishing services at
Lakewood Hospital, and that for years, you projected them leaving. Sometimes with good
reason. Yet for years I would be dragged into the Clinic's office to hear their side, and to
diffuse all of the rumors. This was also true during the close of Huron Road which we
covered in the Collinwood Observer.

[/quote]

Sooo did they every deny that they planned to close Huron?


Over the last few weeks it occurred to my that perhaps the City and the Clinic had a plan to use all of that land they owned in Lakewood to offer a facility similar to what was built in Avon.

Maybe they were just waiting for the right time to make the big announcement. wow, they would prove me wrong in a big way. I'd like nothing better than to be wrong about all of this but I'm not.

Here is a link that provides some information on Lakewood Hospitals past performance.

http://portals.clevelandclinic.org/Abou ... fault.aspx

It looks like as recently as 2006/2007 the hospital was reporting excellent results and big plans for the future.

What happened to change that?

Does Avon (population 21,000) need a hospital?

Does Lakewood (population 52,000) need a hospital?

At what point does the building called Lakewood Hospital stop being a hospital?

Do changes in the medical business affect Lakewood but not Avon? How does that work in practice? I mean if all of the changes in Health care result in the need for fewer hospitals why is the Clinic building a new hospital?
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Bill

I can honestly say the Cleveland Clinc has never lied to me. I have a long history with the
Cleveland Clinic, and have dealt with them on many things, through my graphics business,
my sign business and through the Observer project.

They were always upfront with the Collinwood Observer what was going on at Huron Road.

The Cleveland Clinic really has very little reason to lie about things like this.What is to be
gained alienating 51,000 people? In Huron they made it clear what they were doing from
the moment we asked. Some things they have said are off the record, and my standard
line with everyone on this projects has been. "I can handle off the record if it will not lead
to misleading the community and the people we serve."

But to be honest, this is not a Cleveland Clinic issue.

The problem as I see it is there is a major change coming to the healthcare in Lakewood.
A century ago our forefathers set up a way to control our healthcare future. For some
reason that seems to be changing, and changing very quickly.

I would like to know what is going on. Where the Clinic has declined comment, our elected
officials seemed happy with spinning rumors and making sure everyone knows they know
rumors too. This is not a high school game, we are adults, and this is serious.

City Hall really needs to grow up, and get straight with the residents, yet again.

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Jim O'Bryan
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