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Re: Kauffman hoops closed?

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Nadhal Eadeh wrote:As I've stated in the past, one resident should not decide recreation policy for 52,000 residents. It's a bad precedent to set.



Any update as to how negotiations are going?


Nadhal Eadeh wrote:Finally, as evidenced by Dan's Facebook posting, there has been a proposal to relocate the hoops to another area in the park. Again, as I've stated in the past, we (LOBC) have no plans to stop pushing for the reopening of the Kauffman Park hoops. We feel that Kauffman is a thriving park and a ideal location in the city. Moreover, the KPF group has put together an excellent Master Plan that we would like to see executed.



As a point of clarification:

    Is the KPF group proposing to relocate the hoops to another area in Kauffman Park?
    Is City Hall proposing to relocate the hoops to another area in Kauffman Park?
    Has the proposal to relocate the hoops to another area in Kauffman Park been approved by City Hall?
    When will hoops in Kauffman Park reopen?


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Matthew John Markling wrote:Is the KPF group proposing to relocate the hoops to another area in Kauffman Park?
Is City Hall proposing to relocate the hoops to another area in Kauffman Park?
Has the proposal to relocate the hoops to another area in Kauffman Park been approved by City Hall?
When will hoops in Kauffman Park reopen?
Matt


More imporantly, has the resident who has been deemed a "credible threat to public saftey" given his official okey-dokey on the move of the hoops?
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Peter Grossetti wrote:More imporantly, has the resident who has been deemed a "credible threat to public saftey" given his official okey-dokey on the move of the hoops?



Peter,

To echo Nadhal's prior post:


    Nadhal Eadeh wrote:As I've stated in the past, one resident should not decide recreation policy for 52,000 residents. It's a bad precedent to set.


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I just heard there was a meeting at Kauffman park tonight about the hoops. I also heard that Mayor Summers was adamant that he would never open the hoops at the same spot again due to the "security threat", but is open to moving it to a spot right next to the play ground where a real threat exists that a ball player could run into a small child on the playground while getting a rebound.

Can anyone confirm this information or provide additional details?

Again here is the sign that Mike Summers ordered with the word "temporarily closed". What has happened to cause it to become "permanently closed"?
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Ryan Salo wrote:I just heard there was a meeting at Kauffman park tonight about the hoops. I also heard that Mayor Summers was adamant that he would never open the hoops at the same spot again due to the "security threat", but is open to moving it to a spot right next to the play ground where a real threat exists that a ball player could run into a small child on the playground while getting a rebound.

Can anyone confirm this information or provide additional details?



Ryan,

I spoke with Stephanie Toole who was at the meeting, she confirmed that for the foreseeable future, the mayor would not reopen the courts at Kauffman Park. He has proposed to relocate the hoops to the location that you described. In addition, the mayor has been working closely with LOBC and KPF to find a resolution. We will see what happens.

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Nadhal Eadeh wrote:the mayor has been working closely with LOBC and KPF to find a resolution.


Nadhal,

I appreciate you confirming this information. The phrase you used makes it sound like the mayor is really trying to help, if he was, wouldn't we see some results by now? If the mayor really wanted this to happen couldn't he just make it happen? If he has the power to just install a hoop in 2 weeks at a new park, can't he just make something happen at Kauffman?

It sounds like 1 classmate can stop everything but it takes months of meetings and complete consensus to do something positive?? Didn't you go through months of meetings before the hoops were installed there in the first place? Is he interviewing every neighbor to make sure it doesn't happen again? :shock:
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In today's world, it is a lot easier to stop something than to start something. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that we have to do an environmental impact study before building a new court. There may be endangered bugs in the area. In some places you cannot place a slab unless you somehow make an equal sized area that will let rainwater into the ground.
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I don't understand the threat part. Surely, this neighbor has not made threats against the ball players, right? It just doesn't make sense - the neighbor can't be the threat because that would be against the law.
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todd vainisi wrote:I don't understand the threat part. Surely, this neighbor has not made threats against the ball players, right? It just doesn't make sense - the neighbor can't be the threat because that would be against the law.



Todd

City Hall can no longer comment on this nor should they have ever commented in
the way they did. Yet another fumble that has gotten out of control.

The short story assembled from many sources.

He had made veiled threats and yelled at kids and some of them yelled back. This
prompted the city to have a PRIVATE discussion with the resident. At that meeting a
"professional" deemed the resident was at the end of his rope, and anything was possible
including potential violence towards people in the park.

The City is worried of a potential HIPAA* violation, though I find it hard to picture as no
"medical findings" were made public, merely the opinion of a professional about what
could be possible if the resident were to go over his breaking point.

At that point the Mayor really had no choice but to close the park, AND/OR slap a
restraining order on the resident. After all, if the resident had snapped and hurt someone it
would have come out that the City was well aware of any potential problems.

During some of the conversations/comments about the resident's personal mental health
were made by people in the administration and around the issue who were not qualified
to use the terms that have been thrown around. I have not heard a quote from the resident
that included words like "hurt those kids" etc. So I am not sure he has done anything but
continuously bitch, and that is not illegal. He may have also made overtures to the Mayor
at a council meeting but I do not see it in any reports.

City Hall has never handled this correctly nor been able to put out a message that sounds
like anything more than fear, overreacting and re-enforcing bad behavior. It is my
understanding this is the same person that complains about football in the park, the little
links, and an empty little links. His backyard has been a park/tennis court as long as he
has been there I believe.

While some talk about the man being a friend of Mike's, perhaps he is, but I have never
known Mayor Summers to let that get in the way of anything. As I have pointed out many
times, Mike and I have been friends since 2nd grade, on the same baseball team for years,
and I would say we are still friends, though I am sure it is tested regularly. He has never
shown any special favors for me, if anything I would say he overcorrects for our history.

The city should buy the resident's house, put him in another house of equal value being foreclosed on in the city, let him keep any profit, and put the courts back in. A community is what is best for everyone, not any one person. The city should be working in opening the parks, not shutting them down.

Stay tuned, I am sure they never spoke with anyone at the new location, or near where
they are moving the courts within Kauffman Park. I am kind of shocked at how badly all of
this has been handled again, and again, and again, and...

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Jim O'Bryan wrote:He had made veiled threats and yelled at kids and some of them yelled back. This prompted the city to have a PRIVATE discussion with the resident. At that meeting a "professional" deemed the resident was at the end of his rope, and anything was possible including potential violence towards people in the park. (emphasis added)



Jim,

Who said that?

My sources tell me that the only person to have diagnosed or alleged this person to be a "credible concern for public safety near the park" is Mayor and Public Safety Director Michael P. Summers.

While our current mayor may not be driving around Lakewood without a license, Mike certainly appears to be practicing psychology without a license.

In fact, I hear that Mike even admits that he can't prove that this person is a "credible concern for public safety near the park."


    Jim O'Bryan wrote:As I have pointed out many times, Mike and I have been friends since 2nd grade, on the same baseball team for years, and I would say we are still friends, though I am sure it is tested regularly.



When you and Mike were best friends in elementary school, did he take his ball home when he didn't get his way?

Mike made a bad decision.

The residents called him out on it.

And now Mike is taking our basketball hoops away to get his way.

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Matthew John Markling wrote:
Jim O'Bryan wrote:He had made veiled threats and yelled at kids and some of them yelled back. This prompted the city to have a PRIVATE discussion with the resident. At that meeting a "professional" deemed the resident was at the end of his rope, and anything was possible including potential violence towards people in the park. (emphasis added)



Jim,

Who said that?

My sources tell me that the only person to have diagnosed or alleged this person to be a "credible concern for public safety near the park" is Mayor and Public Safety Director Michael P. Summers.

While our current mayor may not be driving around Lakewood without a license, Mike certainly appears to be practicing psychology without a license.

In fact, I hear that Mike even admits that he can't prove that this person is a "credible concern for public safety near the park."




Matt

Again much of this is through 2nd person, some through first person.

If a person, not necessarily a psychiatrist says, "In my mind they could be a danger..."
And you are both the mayor and law director, and you do not act on that, I have to
believe there would be culpability and liability if something happened.

In that case, it would be hard for Mayor Summers to PROVE a danger, but he would still
be aware of a possible danger. Correct?

As for the rest, I have mentioned to Mike and others, they really need to get some kind of
way to get info out better than they do now. Way to much spin and control, followed by
crazy moments of outbursts that should never be said.

Matthew John Markling wrote:When you and Mike were best friends in elementary school, did he take his ball home when he didn't get his way?

Mike made a bad decision.

The residents called him out on it.

And now Mike is taking our basketball hoops away to get his way.

Matt


Matt

I am lucky to call both you and Mike friends. I might be luckiest guy in Lakewood.

Mike Summers is a great guy, not afraid to lose, never one to cry, always fair with
a deep love of humanity, family and Lakewood deep in his heart.

I wish there was more Mike Summers in Mayor Michael P. Summers. There is something
strange in Lakewood where good people be part of a machine to get this and that, and that
if anyone talks, or disagrees or god forbid thinks, they are marginalized and thrown to
the wolves. I think that what upsets me so much.

Mayor Summers in Mike mode walked up to me a couple months ago at City Hall, He said,
"I think I finally figured you out." I smiled and said, "Do, tell I'm looking for help." He said
"You think with the right side of your brain, and I think with the left side." I smiled and said
"You were the first to ever say I think." We both laughed and walked our separate ways.
I like Mike, Mayor Summers I prefer in small doses.

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Jim O'Bryan wrote:Mike Summers is a great guy, not afraid to lose, never one to cry, always fair with a deep love of humanity, family and Lakewood deep in his heart.

I wish there was more Mike Summers in Mayor Michael P. Summers. There is something strange in Lakewood where good people be part of a machine to get this and that, and that if anyone talks, or disagrees or god forbid thinks, they are marginalized and thrown to the wolves. I think that what upsets me so much.



Jim,

If you think there is still a "Mike Summers" within "Mayor and Public Safety Director Michael P. Summers," you need to help him leave the dark side of the Force.

Queue the video:






In the meantime, Mayor and Public Safety Director Michael P. Summers simply needs to return the Kauffman Park basketball hoops to our residents and families.

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Nadhal Eadeh wrote:[T]he mayor has been working closely with LOBC and KPF to find a resolution. We will see what happens.



So, Nadhal, how are those hoops coming along?

Any updates?

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I know I'm showing up a little late in the game, but I can't believe that so many resources are going in to negotiating with this neighbor who has allegedly threatened to damage the possessions of persons using the park. The negotiations should've stopped after he got in to a physical altercation in the park in 2013, and he should be told that if he interferes with the enjoyment of the park, that it will have consequences. I'd like it very much if this guy took a long walk.
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"temporary" sure is a long time.

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