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I missed last night's Charter Review Commission meeting but I'm told that folks from City Hall informed the members of the Charter Review Commission that City Hall is ready, willing, and able to toss the mayoral system out the door and adopt a city manager system.

While that statement just oozes Sunshine Law violations, we all knew/know that was/is the plan.

Goodbye, democracy.

Hello, city manager!

I guess one guy really can destroy an elected position.

In any event, if you want to waste your time watching a faux charter review process, here is the latest notice regarding the next meeting set for February 24, 2014, at 6:30 PM:


From: Hagan, Mary [mailto:Mary.Hagan@lakewoodoh.net]
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 3:31 PM
To: Hagan, Mary
Subject: Charter Commission 2/24/14

The Charter Review Commission will meet Monday, February 24, 2014 at 6:30 PM at the *Lakewood Public Library Auditorium; 15425 Detroit Avenue. (Location pending confirmation and will be posted upon receipt)

AGENDA

Call to Order/Attendance/Introductory Remarks
Tom Brown, Chair

Presentation – Charter Review in a Federal Republic with an Overview of forms of municipal government Dr. Larry Keller
Staff Director Lakewood Charter Review Commission

Agenda for Next Meeting


Questions from and Discussion by the Commission
Questions from the Public
Adjournment

Tom Brown, Chair

*Will confirm location immediately upon receipt
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I think this Charter Review Commission will be rigorous and inquisitive as have past Commissions. The membership is impressive and not subject to fad or frivolous ventures.
Nor would I suspect would the Commission be influenced by inexplicable predictions of its recommendations.
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Stan Austin wrote:I think this Charter Review Commission will be rigorous and inquisitive as have past Commissions. The membership is impressive and not subject to fad or frivolous ventures.
Nor would I suspect would the Commission be influenced by inexplicable predictions of its recommendations.



As The Observation Deck’s only ranking “Contributor,” I will defer to your wisdom here, Stan.

I will note, however, that some folks on the “Charter Review Commission” are very vocal “city manager huggers,” which may have been one reason they were selected.

Only time will tell.

How long?

Six months?

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Matt

A good group of individuals ended up being chosen for this. Including a couple Ds,
a couple Rs, some young, some old, lot's of legal background, and two ex-council people.

I am writing a report on the first night, and I have to say right now they are looking at
a minimum of 1 hour a week for six months from the appointed date. The last 3 charters
had nearly nothing adopted, except for breaking council pay away from water rates(?).
So it was made clear by Dr. Larry Kellor, we are going to be ding a lot of work, and we have
a lot of things that need to be done. At the end of the process it is completely at a
the discretion of City Council to take any recommendation, and then it is placed on a ballot
so that even with council's approval, it is not a guarantee that anything gets adopted.

It is for lack of a better term, a Charter Review.

FWIW

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Bottom line is this: should council put any charter revisions on the ballot, it is we, Lakewood voters, who will make the final decision at the voting booth .

That being said, wouldn't it make sense that citizens actually show up at this commission's meetings and participate?

At last evening's initial meeting I asked if the meetings' agendas would include room for non-commissioner (read: "citizen") input. Commission chair Tom Brown assured me that that would be the case. Nice to see it on the agenda for Monday's meeting (above).

My biggest concern is the choice of Monday evening for their meetings...given the fact that city council meets on Monday nights as does school board. Divide and conquer ploy?!?!
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Peter Grossetti wrote:My biggest concern is the choice of Monday evening for their meetings...given the fact that city council meets on Monday nights as does school board. Divide and conquer ploy?!?!



Peter,

The School Board posts its meetings on its website.

Does City Council post its meetings on its website?

Does City Council post its countless "committee" meetings on its website?

Since City Hall is already spending our taxpayer dollars to post and tweet, why not post videos of these Charter Review Commission meetings?

Here is an example:





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Jim O'Bryan wrote:A good group of individuals ended up being chosen for this. Including a couple Ds, a couple Rs, some young, some old, lot's of legal background, and two ex-council people.

***

It is for lack of a better term, a Charter Review.



Jim,

I just hate seeing good people waste their valuable time on any faux process in Lakewood.

When City Hall leaders start the process by letting the Charter Review Commission members know that City Hall is ready, willing, and able to adopt a new system of government, the whole process seems just a tad predetermined to me.

You, Steve Davis, and your City Hall pals want a city manager.

And, it looks like your dream will come true soon.

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But, then again ...


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Matthew John Markling wrote:But, then again ...
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Nice cartoon.

But Matt, I believe you have this whole processed mixed up.

OK, when you were on the school board the fix was in for Lincoln over Grant with the
whatever that debacle was called. Every minute of that was geared towards Lincoln over
Grant. Even the faux voting was fixed as people were lobbied to come in, voting changed
to by table instead of by person, and then even some tables were not recorded correctly.

A total charade. Correct?

This was people appointed by the Mayor and Council. Let's be honest, most people would
appoint someone of their own same mindset. There is no requirement to be impartial
though they did get some good minds involved. Ironically the person, I suggested, was
also suggest by Mayor Summers, and she did not seem to be big on City Manager but
open to talk about it.

You have two former council members, that have never been known as shills or anything
but free open thinkers, on the conservative side. You can tell while watching the eyes
around the table, this people are taking this very seriously. The questions were good.

My view of Monday night was completely different from Peter's. The first two articles of
business were setting meeting times and electing a chairperson. The days were scattered
but it seemed everyone could meet on Monday. It was raised by you and others about the
conflict, and it was Council President Mary Louise Madigan that stated, "It might be better
for this Commission to meet on Mondays as to keep Council members out of the process."

Both Law Director Kevin Butler and Council President Madigan said many times, "This is
not our commission but yours" But as a lawyer Matt you have to agree that sometimes it
is nice to get people living under the rules in to comment on the rules. Right?

I know or know of about half of the Commission. Of the ones I know or have dealt with
I would not call them water carriers for anyone outside of their personal knowledge or
agendas. One, I know for a fact would react pretty harshly at being told "what to do."
Matt I think it will be interesting mix. And Larry, and Kevin, and Mary Louise all told them
"You suggestions might not be used or adopted." Larry Kellor took it even farther
recounting the last three commissions where very little was adopted.

Now there was talk about "Changing the form of Government" and there was a discussion
but only from the context, and tell me if this doesn't make sense to you. and could be
counted as a huge negative for changing. "If we consider even going down this road, we
should look at it first. IT makes no sense to change the entire charter for the style of government
we have now, and then decide to put forward another form. The rules that regulate council
and the mayor, would be completely different in another form of government."

As you are arguing about wasting time like in the Phase III meetings, certainly you have
to respect Dr. Kellor's blunt honesty and realistic approach. In the City Charter these
reviews are called for. And at the end of the entire process, City Council has to approve
any one of them to go to a vote by the public. They could also adopt some of the "ideas"
or look at the direction they came, and decided to move in that way. Still it is a legal vote
at the poles, not some brownie filled "red circles mean yes and Brown squares mean no"
When the tables are asking "Yes or no what?"

And after that, Council can still write any resolution or law they want, far easier than with
this commission, and you and I can also write laws and get them to the ballot should
we follow the process as laid out int he CHARTER!

Let us let review begin, and see how transparent we can all make it.

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Note the first sentence of the last paragraph of this Larry Keller (our paid charter review process consultant) biographical sketch from CSU website: http://facultyprofile.csuohio.edu/csufa ... D=L_KELLER

"Dr. Keller believe the modern city need both effective public officials and active citizen groups.

Until some sort of residents advocacy group is established and active, individual citizens can still have their voices heard at the charter review commission meetings.
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I'd like to hear why the City Manager conversation is being put forth in the first place. What is the problem(s)? Who advocates it?

(PS to Jim: Your comments about the Lincoln/Grant are inaccurate, however that is a different conversation from this one.)
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Edward Favre wrote:I'd like to hear why the City Manager conversation is being put forth in the first place. What is the problem(s)? Who advocates it?

(PS to Jim: Your comments about the Lincoln/Grant are inaccurate, however that is a different conversation from this one.)


Ed

The conversation is coming from many sources.

In the case the other night, and I am sure you understand this. The last two Charter Reviews
looked into other forms of government. The last one they actually dove into it, though at the
onset they really wanted to clean up the charter so that it became a manageable document.*

More than halfway through they came up with the thought of "City Manager" and that
caused them a ton more work, than needed, as the rules over council, a mayor if even
needed, and other rules would have to be completely rewritten. That Charter review which
featured Steve Davis and Larry Keller. Submitted two Charters to council neither was
adopted or put on the ballot. The only thing that has been adopted by council, and we
all voted on was the way Council is paid.

So Larry Keller after warning them that nothing could come from their 6 months of
meeting said. We might want to consider that first to either define workload or cut down
on workload and wasting time. This makes sense to explain when defining how often they
meet and where. It is also fair to tell them that you can take the easy road, not changing
government, or the hard road, TRYING to change the government. Neither may pay off.

Tom Wagner, one of the group, asked if there was a way, they could work with council to
make sure things got done they were suggesting. Which made total sense after hearing
for 20 minutes how nothing was adopted. Both Kevin Butler and Mary Louise made it
understood, that is not what this commission is for. It is to recommend items to council
and then council to decide what if anything goes for a vote.

While Tom Brown, Chairman for the group did offer public input, I see the group more as
a commission being able to call people in. If you are looking at a law why not hear from
those affected. Certainly it is open to the public, but depending on how they decide to
proceed it could be a pretty much a "paint drying moment." If they break into committees
then you have 3,4,6 meetings to attend, all on Monday.

Yesterday, I spoke with Larry Keller at Micro Center, Steve Davis, and Mary Louise Madigan
all are looking forward to working with the Observer on transparency, discussion, and
keeping residents up to speed. Peter and I will be covering though we are looking for more
people to help, as if they break up into smaller groups it could be needed.

Tomorrow, Larry will be giving a short, 3 hour overview of forms of government, and who
does what where.

EVEN if the FIX is in, this group is locked in, they will not be popping new members in and
out, nor with the Council, or Mayor being changing targets or reason for doing it. The reson
and the task is spelled out, in stone, and approved by voters.

I would say the standards of this community have decided that "City Manager" serves
them best now. They certainly do not need someone like me, pro-residents, anti-crappy
development coming in and running, or even talking about what could be better. As I found
out during the last election, many of the movers and shakers in this town are afraid of
damn near anything that could cause ripples of any form.

Ed, to compare the charade known as Phase III with this Charter is a huge disservice for
this commission, and the great cast of actors in Phase III as well. I will discuss this
anytime, anywhere with anyone. But as you guys have 2 levies, and 1 bond issue
approved I am sure for all it is better to look forward than backwards. Right?


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Jim O'Bryan wrote:I would say the standards of this community have decided that "City Manager" serves them best now.



Jim,

I totally disagree!

Residents of the City of Lakewood simply do not know that “City Hall and Friends” are trying to strip them of their right to select a mayor through a democratic electoral system.

The whole “city manager” concept is repugnant to our system of democracy.

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Jim:

You introduced the schools into this discussion. It is a different discussion, which you and I have had many times in the past. My comment on that, as I have said in the past, is that some of your assumptions are wrong.

Having said that, my question about City Manager is; what are the problems or issues that indicate we should change the current form of City government? What is the current form of government not doing or unable to do? What do we want done?
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Edward Favre wrote:I'd like to hear why the City Manager conversation is being put forth in the first place. What is the problem(s)? Who advocates it?


Edward Favre wrote:[M]y question about City Manager is; what are the problems or issues that indicate we should change the current form of City government? What is the current form of government not doing or unable to do? What do we want done?



Ed,

Ironically, the city manager conversation is being started by almost everyone at City Hall, as well as folks like Jim O'Bryan and Steve Davis.

The various theories for wanting a city manager are based upon the following range of premises:


    The residents are too stupid to elect a qualified mayor.
    The current mayor and past mayors are all incompetent.
    The current city council wants more control.
    The current city council doesn't realize that it already controls the purse strings.
    Dru Siley or Kevin Butler will be the next city manager and "City Hall and Friends" don't think they can win a city-wide election.
    There are only so many times "City Hall and Friends" can scare good folks out of running for mayor.


As to the problem, there isn't one. The current system works just fine. If there is a problem, it rests with the person sitting in the mayoral seat, not the mayoral position itself.

As to who is advocating the "city manager" position, it appears to be everyone but you and me - oh, and probably most - if not all - of the residents who are told about this charade.

As to what they want done, it’s a major power grab by “City Hall and Friends” and others are just sitting by “observing.”

Matt
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