Obama signs 23 unknown executive orders

[Ryan Salo]

Obama spoke for 20 minutes about what congress needs to do, mentions he is signing 23 executive orders, then never mentions it again. Finishes his speech and signs the orders.

Gotta love the open government he is running.

God help us all.

[Ryan Salo]

Here is a supposed list.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/ ... on_on.html

18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers. - I thought the NRA idea was terrible?

The list looks to make a lot of sense to me, if this is accurate.

[Sandra Donnelly]

There is a huge difference between having a school resource officer and arming guards/teachers. SRO's are trained police officers who are adept at dealing with a myriad of issues including conflict management, investigation of crimes committed on school property, as well as crisis response.

[Ryan Salo]

huge difference

This is subjective. They are still armed officers in the schools, which is what the NRA recommended. The liberal outcry was that more guns are not the solution. I guess Obama saw that this can do some good, after all, I guess his daughters go to a school with armed officers.

[Sean Wheeler]

It's not subjective, Ryan. Sandy is a life-long educator, principal and professional. Her description of what our resource officers do is spot on. This is something we already have at LHS, and thinking of our SROs simply as armed guards simplifies the argument too much. The fact is that these officers are trained in conflict management, are partners in helping our kids become good people, and represent more to our school community than simply being "good guys with guns". There's a debate to be had about the executive orders, one I'm not engaging in here, but to diminish the work of our police officers by dismissing an accurate job description by someone deeply in the know as subjective isn't right.

[Ryan Salo]

Sean,

Maybe you missed what Obama said. The goal of these 23 executive orders was to prevent another sandy hook type event. The shooter was not a student there, and a resource officer would not have been able to use his or her knowledge of the students to stop him. He would have been reduced to a trained gunman that can shoot an intruder. That is why I am saying it isnt a huge difference. I am not saying they may do a lot of good in other areas, but if an unknown intruder comes with a gun, it is just force that will stop them. In this case, the president must agree with the nra. That is all I was saying.

[Stephen Eisel]

Ryan, what do you expect from the admin that has killed 178 children via drone strikes, 26 children via operation Fast and Furious and has armed Syrian, Egyptian and Libyan rebels in the name of freedom. None of the executive orders will stop or prevent the next Sandy Hook. This is what happens when you have a knee-jerk reaction to a situatuion and put your own agenda ahead of the people. Sad day! And the NRA's reaction also despicable.

[Stephen Eisel]

There is a huge difference between having a school resource officer and arming guards/teachers. SRO's are trained police officers who are adept at dealing with a myriad of issues including conflict management, investigation of crimes committed on school property, as well as crisis response.

Arming teachers... Would that be a nightmare? (looking for your opinion)

[Ryan Salo]

Stephen,

You seem to believe you have a firm grasp of what will not work.

What would your solution be?

[ryan costa]

Historically, it was much more likely for school shootings to involve teachers shooting students, teachers shooting teachers who wouldn't go out with them, or men coming into the school to shoot a teacher who wouldn't go out with them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sc ... ted_States

the largest school massacre was committed by Andrew Kehoe, a kind of proto-libertarian.
he did not use guns to shoot anyone, but methodically hid dynamite and explosives in the school for several months.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath_School_disaster

for the interest of comedy, I will say there are teachers who seem too clumsy to want to see them holding any kind of weapon. no matter how many gun training certificates they acquire.

[Stephen Eisel]

"Don't let Democrats have guns!
Ft Hood Shooter - Registered Democrat.
Columbine - both families were progressive liberal Democrats.
Virginia Tech Shooter - Registered Democrat - Wrote hate mail to Bush.
Connecticut School Shooter - Registered Democrat; hated Christians.
Colorado Theater Shooter - progressive liberal Democrat; staff worker for the Obama campaign"

[Stephen Eisel]

the largest school massacre was committed by Andrew Kehoe, a kind of proto-libertarian.

do you mean aka Democrat

[russell dunn]

ryan costa, just where is the comedy in this ?

would you please name some firearms certifications that are so easily obtained that
bumblers and the not-so qualified obtain them routinely ?

are there, actually, any firearms certifications that are recognized reciprocally by
the 50 states that specify a competency exceeding a few hours of classroom ?

your comments are oftentimes thoughtful, this time i really wonder what you have
experienced firsthand with clumsy teachers and firearms in the classroom.

you really have me wondering about the humor in this ...

what are the recognized firearms proficiency certificates ?

[Sandra Donnelly]

Arming teachers... Would that be a nightmare? (looking for your opinion)

After reflecting on my 15 years in the classroom before becoming an administrator, I, personally, would not have been comfortable carrying a weapon. I have experience in target shooting with 9mm glocks and sig sauers; however, in the classroom, being responsible for a weapon would have been a major distraction from my primary job, i.e. teaching. Although many individuals feel that they are experts in education merely because they attended school, few are cognizant of the myriad of tasks and interactions in which a teacher engages on a daily basis. Adding the responsibility of being armed is, in my opinion, simply not fair to teachers. In the case of those few teachers who have had intensive weapons training comparable to that which police officers receive, I could see their being armed if they so chose. I, personally, am an advocate of the school resource officer model as a better alternative, which is why I fought to implement it at LHS in the late 90's.

[Stephen Eisel]

Thank you Sandy!