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Congressman Paul Ryan Stops By The Area - CSU

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Congressman Jim Renacci

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Jimmy Kemp son of Congressman Jack Kemp introduces Congressman Ryan.

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Congressman Paul Ryan

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Common sight, everyone filming it on their phones for everyone else.

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The crowd gave a standing ovation for the Congressman's comment about overturning
Obamacare, and the mandate against the Catholic Church. Of course there is no mandate against the Catholic Church, as there are religious
exemptions for religious health care groups like hospitals, schools etc. so most of that
point is moot. The only thing that remains is that employers cannot control a female
employee's healthcare policy.
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And after about 17 minutes of talking he said goodbye.

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Jim, I think you may have forgotten a shot. Forgive the poor quality.

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[quote="Roy Pitchford"]Jim, I think you may have forgotten a shot. Forgive the poor quality.

Roy

So the question I had with other people I saw there afterwards, and wish you had come up and joined us.

It seems to me that Chris Christie, and Paul Ryan, have ideas, and beliefs. I have not heard really anything different
from them since the start of the campaign. They believe, they can justify, they do not bend in the wind.

Would you have rather seen one of them running, than Romney.

I found Paul Ryan to be an enjoyable speaker. I might not agree with many of his philosophies, but he does, and
can explain them.

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Roy

Let me return the favor...

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You're asking my opinion as to whether I'd like someone else on top of the ticket...the short answer is no.

The long answer is still no, but I view Romney as a transitional president to getting the country back on track heading towards the original principles of the Constitution. We can debate whether that is true or not, but that's not the question you asked...

Our turn away from the Constitution started long ago. Many point to Woodrow Wilson as its starting point (though Teddy Roosevelt had things he did as well), with the likes of FDR and LBJ as presidents who pushed the process along. Obama has also had a hand or two in it.

Two Romney terms as President, even under the most ideal situation, cannot turn the country around completely and nor should he try. To do so would be dangerous for the country. It needs to be a gradual process in the same way it took 100 years to move us this far away from the Constitution. He can only start it. I see Ryan as more conservative than Romney, so a future Ryan presidency following Romney (as many VPs do) would continue that process.

Specifically mentioning Christie, I love watching him handle his detractors and He's got that strength in standing up to the unions. I'm not entirely sold on his politics. I understand he's a climate change guy. Not a deal breaker for me, but its a point against him.
If I could put Christie in a Romney administration, I believe Press Secretary would be a very amusing place for him. Department of Labor could work too, but that's a position I can see Romney phasing out on the Federal level and allowing the states to handle.
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Roy Pitchford wrote:You're asking my opinion as to whether I'd like someone else on top of the ticket...the short answer is no.

The long answer is still no, but I view Romney as a transitional president to getting the country back on track heading towards the original principles of the Constitution. We can debate whether that is true or not, but that's not the question you asked...

Our turn away from the Constitution started long ago. Many point to Woodrow Wilson as its starting point (though Teddy Roosevelt had things he did as well), with the likes of FDR and LBJ as presidents who pushed the process along. Obama has also had a hand or two in it.

Two Romney terms as President, even under the most ideal situation, cannot turn the country around completely and nor should he try. To do so would be dangerous for the country. It needs to be a gradual process in the same way it took 100 years to move us this far away from the Constitution. He can only start it. I see Ryan as more conservative than Romney, so a future Ryan presidency following Romney (as many VPs do) would continue that process.

Specifically mentioning Christie, I love watching him handle his detractors and He's got that strength in standing up to the unions. I'm not entirely sold on his politics. I understand he's a climate change guy. Not a deal breaker for me, but its a point against him.
If I could put Christie in a Romney administration, I believe Press Secretary would be a very amusing place for him. Department of Labor could work too, but that's a position I can see Romney phasing out on the Federal level and allowing the states to handle.


I am mystified why you think Romney hits on any of your talking points.

Roy, as long as I have had the pleasure of reading your posts and comments, I have not seen you really change
your perspective. A libertarian of sorts, that believes in the ideals set down in the Constitution.

I really have no idea what Governor Romney believes today, and for me that is extremely troubling on many levels.
While I understand the comments on Chris Christie, and would agree. There is a certain charm to his handling of
hecklers, I have not seen him flip like Romney. Paul Ryan, who I believe has way to much religion in him for any
Constitutionalists, I not only can understand exactly where he is coming from, I can also understand exactly why he
is coming from that direction.

While possibly making him unelectable as a President, I find it far better than someone that changes hourly. Obama
does have many valid points about world views and a steady hardline approach to world events, and events back here.

I sadly find Romney lacking on hundreds of topics and issues, number one soul and backbone. Both of them would have
been addressed for me with a Paul Ryan, Chris Christie ticket. Though I still would have not voted for it.

Thanks again for the post, the image and the comments to mull over.


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You are correct. Romney is not the constitutional stickler that I am. However, if presented with the choice of Romney or Obama, Romney has to be my choice. The lack of popularity of third-parties in the United States make it, essentially, a wash to vote for any of them. A vote for a libertarian candidate who isn't going to win is as good as a vote for Obama.
Now, I did say that Romney is only the beginning of, what I hope would be, a process of returning the country to the Constitution. A hardcore libertarian would be the wrong choice right now because that kind of dramatic shift would not be good for the country, as I stated earlier. We need a smooth and slow transition back that direction and its going to take several presidents to do.

With all that said, Romney may have some differing motives, but I think in many ways we have the same process and ends in mind.
For example:
The most important thing to me in this election is economic policy. Primarily domestic, but foreign as well as it pertains to domestic.
Currently, the national government interferes too much with the lives of its citizens. This is a fundamental break with the Constitution.
Romney, while I'm sure he sees this same break, he views the same issues from the standpoint of a businessman. He sees bloated agencies that duplicate/triplicate existing state/county/local agencies. The government is wasting millions, if not billions, of dollars performing these duplicate functions.
We both see the need to cut down the government bureaucracy.

Now, you refer to a number of policy changes and flips. Would you care to expand on that? I've heard of some, but I've been satisfied with the explanations.

I think Romney has a backbone, he just hides it well. He knows when he needs to be firm and decisive.

As for Romney's soul, if I'm getting your meaning, I must completely disagree. Mitt Romney is among the most charitable people I think I've ever heard of, not just with his money, but his time as well. I've heard some absolutely amazing stories about him. Its never talked about because he doesn't toot his own horn.

If you're interested, read this article and watch the videos:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-real-mitt-romney-beck-interviews-people-whose-lives-have-been-touched-by-the-gop-candidate/
If you only have time for one, I recommend the milk story (the last video).
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Roy

I had a couple minutes between meetings.

By the soul and the flip flop issues, what I am getting at is I can change on many topics, and many topics are very, very
complicated in nature, and simple small changes can make a person change everything overall. Also we all have the
ability to justify damn near anything in our own minds, we both know this. But it strikes me that the only thing Mitt has
not changed 180 on is his religion, which I give him credit for sticking with that.

Other key issues he has been all over on. To change once, possible an epiphany, to change on serious life issues yearly,
every for years, every 6 months to me represents a serious insatiability that I think President Obama hit on. World
leaders, civic leaders, national leaders and programs are never served well by a leader than bends in any wind.

“A friend to all is a friend to none.” – Aristotle

Then there is this entire way he has run this entire election cycle. You might be able to tell me you are voting for
Romney because he is what you envision as a first step, even though he is proving hourly, it is back to the Bush
agenda, which never served anyone except a few. I will take steady progress, Obama, over giving the drunks the
keys again. Best to let them at it when we are financially in the black again. Trickle down is a lie.

But again you raise an interesting point. I would love to be able to pick a viable 3rd Party candidate, but I do not see
how anyone can waste a vote right now, things are just to critical. And let's be honest, the only really wasted vote
is the one not cast, but to use this period of time for 3rd Party building seems reckless as well.

But I doubt that we will ever see a real Republic that disguises itself as a democracy until viable 3rd or 4th Parties are
developed.

Back on examples later.

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