“Unacceptable behavior,” by Councilman Shawn Juris

[kate e parker]

and it is my last post in this thread

hell, this is one of the first posts in this thread from you, which i find odd given your penchant for drama for all things juris.

and now you jump in? when it is proven that the original email didnt come from juris?

pretty curious.

cue the "let me tell you about curious".......now (warm up your pitchforks, people)

[Corey Rossen]

Does anyone else think that it is odd that an entity called "Sloane Park Properties" is located in the Czech Republic?

Maybe there is Czech Republic Observer, if not, maybe that could be next.

[Jeff Dreger]

Corey:

http://www.beobachter.ch/home/

beobachter = observer

[Dustin James]

http://tinyurl.com/d5b4xo8

Sloane Park Property Trust, a.s. is on telco market since 2000 and it is the 3thrd biggest provider of internet connectivity in the Czech Republic now.

In other words, it is the Internet Service Provider for the spoof site that was used.

[Mike Zannoni]

Since I have to assume that the email header document (see earlier) provided by the Lakewood police is indeed the actual header section of the email Steve received (unmarked as such, but the text itself appears to be that), all I can say is:

WOW. As unlikely as it seemed to me a few days ago, the email appears to have been sent through a specific email-spoofing site in Czech Republic, a site whose sole purpose is to enable people to spoof emails. I went to this site, and I can see now that, yes, it is incredibly easy, as some of you knew and have said, to send an email posing as as someone else. You don't have to know anything about anything to do it, just that the site exists, and what it's for.

I sent myself a few spoofed emails using this Czech email-spoofing site, examined the header structure and contents from the emails I received and compared them against the police-provided one. I can say, dispite some small differences (things I don't know enough to say anything about), there are obvious signs that they were all produced using this web site. I won't bore with the details, but IP addresses and certain other designations are give-aways.

We didn't have this full header information before, nor did many of us know exactly how this could be done using a particular site, and so it did seem to me pretty unlikely, given the context of the conflict going on on the Deck. Some here have said that the conflict being "in public" would give a saavy prankster the ability to sell such a prank and make it believable as the truth. Now I say "evil genius"! And now of course I seriously doubt Mr. Juris sent the email. To spoof himself in order to be doubted by many and then gain sympathy after being "cleared" by the revelation of the email being a spoof . . . that defies even my new, awakened sense of the believable. He'd have to be Overlord of the Evil Geniuses!

I apologize if anyone was persuaded or inspired into "certainty" by any of my posts, even though I never said that I myself was certain, only what seemed to me highly likely, given the information at hand and my sense of the likley, now enhanced. Perhaps speculation of this type will be restrained somewhat by this episode. I know it will for me. I also apologize if Mr. Juris was unduly harmed by the sharing of my reasoning process.

I did want, though, for it to be taken seriously and investigated seriously, and if that was fueled by rampant speculation and outrage of a misguided variety, it may have some good to that effect, because I'm not convinced that if it was sweep-under-the-rug-able, that it wouldn't have been.

Nothing good has come of this overall, for anyone, so I have to assume the evil genius is someone who wanted to cause a train wreck.

I'm also really interested, again, in the important question that got buried by this scandal:

EXACTLY HOW MUCH OF OUR TAX DOLLARS WENT INTO THE DETROIT AVENUE BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS?!!!? Is it $600,000, $6.5 Million, $13 Million . . . .? Did I miss a definitive verdict?

[kate e parker]

great post, mike!

EXACTLY HOW MUCH OF OUR TAX DOLLARS WENT INTO THE DETROIT AVENUE BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS?!!!? Is it $600,000, $6.5 Million, $13 Million . . . .? Did I miss a definitive verdict?

not sure if you'll hear from juris on this as i hear he is summering in the czech republic

[Dustin James]

Mike - I agree with Kate, good post.

As for your financial question, it was answered over on the other thread, though you have to tip-toe through all the invective and muck throwing

http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11023

Christopher Bindel said:
As far as I understand it the Detroit project is costing $3 million however the City of Lakewood is only responsible for 20% of that, as the state is covering the rest. That comes out to $600,000. This is a number I have heard several times and is also what I believe Shawn said.

As far as Jim's $13 million, I have not seen where he saw that, as it was not in the article he posted, and I would like to see that so I can better understand Jim's post. However my thought is that the $13 mil probably is the cost for all of the the Clifton, Detroit, Madison and Franklin/Hilliard projects together, and we would only be covering that at 20% so it comes out to a total of the city investing $2.6 million over something like 4 years, or however long the projects will take.

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[Betsy Voinovich]

Mike - I agree with Kate, good post.

As for your financial question, it was answered over on the other thread, though you have to tip-toe through all the invective and muck throwing

http://lakewoodobserver.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=11023

Christopher Bindel said:
As far as I understand it the Detroit project is costing $3 million however the City of Lakewood is only responsible for 20% of that, as the state is covering the rest. That comes out to $600,000. This is a number I have heard several times and is also what I believe Shawn said.

As far as Jim's $13 million, I have not seen where he saw that, as it was not in the article he posted, and I would like to see that so I can better understand Jim's post. However my thought is that the $13 mil probably is the cost for all of the the Clifton, Detroit, Madison and Franklin/Hilliard projects together, and we would only be covering that at 20% so it comes out to a total of the city investing $2.6 million over something like 4 years, or however long the projects will take.

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Hi all,

Actually the answer came in the mayor's blog post, which is referred to a little further down in the post that Dustin is referring to. The mayor's blog is on the City's website.

Jim wrote:

Christopher

The title of the article was
"The View from the mayor's office- Lakewood Ohio
Tuesday, July 10, 2012
What’s up with all of the activity on Detroit?
Our $13 million investment is beginning to pay off!"

Then break out the pie charts though slightly confusing and you end up with somewhere
between $6.46 million and $9.8 million on a project that costs $13 million.

While Mayor Summers post is informative, why can't one public official say, "It will cost
XXXX and we pay XXX" is beyond me.

The entire point of my asking this in the first place was, how can we possibly afford all of
these extras if we are still operating on a $4 million deficit by year's end. (Mayor Summers
has downgraded that $4 million dollar figure he gave in January to $3 million based on
cuts and savings made to date.) It was a serious question, about serious issues. We have
had two very hard working groups be told there is no money for their projects as the city
is broke, and they had committed $7,000 to a study so it was no longer available. The city is broke.

So you hear one side, then the other, and then see all of this spending. I am not talking
about if we need way finding, brown signs, anything. I am merely trying to understand
how we are spending the money, and where it is coming from. No trick.

It really shouldn't be this tough.

I'm not sure I have all of this right, but the update on the signals comes from the State of Ohio, because Detroit is a state road. (If I got that wrong, it's not State, it's Federal, and I'm sure someone will correct me.) Our portion of that-- just the updated signals, is $600.000.00. New signals. I don't know whether the state has paid for the fact that we updated to more decorative poles--- or they would just pay for the standard ones-- I don't know if the state pays a portion for the removal of the old poles, or tearing up and re-doing all the sidewalks. I do know the State hasn't paid for the new street signs, and taking the old ones down, or the way-finding signs. I don't think the State is paying any portion for redoing the sidewalks so that they're pink now, or removing all the beautiful blooming trees from in front of the old CVS and Huntington and Caribou. I don't think so. I hope Quaker Steak and Lube is paying for tearing up the sidewalk in front of their new place and cutting into the pedestrian zone with a patio. I hope Quaker Steak is paying for the new driveway on Andrews, and the redone parking lot behind it, because that would be great.

But I think the 600 thousand is our portion of the new lights on Detroit. The Detroit beautification project is not a government-funded project. I mean except for our own Lakewood government. That one's all on us, though I can't speak about possible grants, etc. I think this is why Jim asked for the break-down in the first place.

Mike, I like your post also, because it made me think back to the beginning of this thread. In another thread about the mission statement of the Observer, Councilman Juris called Jim O'Bryan a jerk, and made it clear that he thought Jim was unworthy to lead the Observer project-- Meg Ostrowski came in to ask for civility there from both the Councilman and Jim and told them both that more was expected of both of them as public figures.

Jim started over and asked what the actual cost of the price of the of the Detroit project was. Councilman Juris started a new thread asking to meet with the Board of the Lakewood Observer. And soon after came this "take-your-eye-off-the-ball" email. I don't think this thread was a train wreck or a waste of time. If someone sent me a threatening email, I would post it for my own protection, so that everyone knew that I received something like that, in case the "power of that position" started being used against me, I would have proof that someone was claiming that behavior. I wouldn't--until now--think that it was fake. I have never received a fake email and not such a long time earlier, Mr. Juris was calling Jim a jerk, saying he shouldn't be leading the Observer project and demanding to see his Board on the Deck, not a big stretch, I can see why Steve thought it was real, why wouldn't he?

It makes me think that whoever did send that email follows this Board. It makes me think that whoever did send that email wanted us to take our eyes off the ball.

And I'm ending up again, in the same place as Mike, going back to Jim's original question, how much did this Detroit project cost? Did we have a say in it? The Mayor stated last week that we are seeing "the fruition of our eight year plan" in Downtown, which is why it is so congested. People have been asking for a plan, over and over again, we keep having community meetings: "Pick your favorite ten buildings to save" meetings, or the new "Community Vision" meetings to "define what Lakewood is, and where it should go..." When all along there is this successful eight year plan? We would have liked to have seen this eight year plan during the Phase 3 Committee to see how it figured in which schools we were being asked to get rid of. And which historical buildings. Does it follow The Code? Section1173.02(b)(4) The City acknowledges as a matter of public policy that the preservation and protection of residential neighborhoods is required for the health, safety and welfare of the people.

If there is a successful eight year plan we should know what it is. Especially since in the State of the City address the Mayor said that we were looking at a potentially serious budget shortfall, and that we were going to have to suck it up and pay for some major sewer overhaul. Did we have the money to do "interior decorating"? Didn't all of us already know where the lake was? And where the hospital is? This is all for visitors? So we bought new drapes and carpet and furniture, and painted the house for visitors? When we have to pay for sewers? I'm not saying that this isn't all accounted for, etc, and proper in terms of our budget. But what about communicating with the citizens about how and why their money is being spent?

Anyway, as I said, I would have posted that email for my own protection, and then this long thread would have ensued, as everyone in their own way, tried to parse it out. I think everyone here did a relatively good job of handling it and being respectful. I think it is very disturbing that we don't know who sent it, or what their motivation is, and I hope that it is being further investigated.

Betsy Voinovich

[Keith Kopko]

Shawn said he was going to make a police report. He lied. FACT.

He merely asked for something to be written down to the effect that his email account MAY have been hacked. No request for an investigation, which is quite telling since it involves his business account.

So the FACTS are that Shawn LIED about making a police report and an investigation being underway.

The conjecture can then be made that Shawn DID NOT WANT the police investigating. Why? Let me guess? Because he KNEW there was no hacking and filing an official police report that was false would be a crime.

We haven't heard from Grace in the past several days on this thread ... she was pretty outspoken early on. Is she too busy eating crow???

I do think it's unfortunate that we won't be able to determine who sent the e-mail in question. I have several suspects in mind.

[Stephen Eisel]

I think we can safely conclude that Shawn Juris DID send that email to Steve Davis.

Shawn should be ashamed of himself. Not only did he send that email, exhibiting such hubris that it borders on being delusions of grandeur, he made a second judgment error by denying that he sent it.

To me, this is highly indicative of a man unsuited for public office. Not only is he thin-skinned and vindictive, he is a liar.

[Bill Call]

Is it time to change the title of this post?

[Jim O'Bryan]

I do think it's unfortunate that we won't be able to determine who sent the e-mail in question. I have several suspects in mind.

Keith

I agree with this. However it is not that the police will not be able to find out who did it. They have just not
been asked to do that yet, and then when asked, they will need to take further steps. I would hope that
Councilman Juris, will continue to try to find out who spoofed his identity. We would be happy to work with
Councilman Juris and the police on getting to the bottom of this. As no criminal offense has been committed
against Steve Davis or the Lakewood Observer our hands are tied at getting the police to investigate this letter.
It would certainly be worse, if we found out Councilman Juris was also spoofed at the same time.

As I have stated many times, it is not a team sport. There are no winners.


Bill

“Unacceptable behavior,” is the topic in the letter which is why it appears in quotes.

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[Grace O'Malley]

Keith Kopko

Thanks for noticing that I haven't posted recently - you're very observant! And no, I'm not eating crow, I've been enjoying salmon
and lobster and other luscious cuisine while on vacation. You see, unlike many internet lurkers, I do not find the need to constantly check forums or other sites while I'm on vacay. The status of Shawn Juris's predicament is not at the top of my "to do" list.
But again, thanks for your concern. I'm flattered.
As for the recent developments, I don't see where anything has been either proven or ruled out. Since Shawn is a politician, I'll assume he realizes not everyone likes him. It's part of the job. I'm not the first or only person who thinks he's an idiot and I won't be the last, so get over it.

[Stephen Eisel]

The status of Shawn Juris's predicament is not at the top of my "to do" list.
But again, thanks for your concern. I'm flattered.

14 post in this thread and counting... Maybe not at the top of your "to do list" but certainly in the top 5.. just sayin...

The email clearly shows it came from the Juris Agency, which I believe is Shawn's business. It did not come from an anonymous Yahoo or Gmail account. If it is true that he did not send that message, then I would think he would be VERY concerned that the security of his business was breached.

Well Shawn, if you are claiming that you did not send that email and someone is "manipulating" your account, that is YOUR responsibility to investigate if there is an alleged breach of YOUR email security. Have you contacted the police? Has a report been made? But, if you did send it and y...

Since Shawn is a politician, I'll assume he realizes not everyone likes him

You were clearly wrong.... definitley ignorant on the topic being discussed... or maybe just so filled with hate that you could not think straight..

http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-hea ... -kerfuffle

[kate e parker]

after reading this thread so far, it is my belief that mr. juris will still be to blame no matter what the outcome.

kreskin would have proud

and grace, lobster and salmon? where were you vacationing? 1% island?