“Unacceptable behavior,” by Councilman Shawn Juris

[Corey Rossen]

Please work with me on this post, I am not as savvy as others when it comes to replying with quotes...I am in bold. Corey

Corey,

I don't have a dog in this fight any more than you do and I don't have an opinion one way or the other on whether this was a legit email or not and fortunately that is in the hands of the law now.
Agreed.

But the hypocrisy that goes around here is blinding.
Agreed.

Isn't it fair to say there is bullying on the deck on all sides?
Agreed, but does seem lopsided in favor of the Deck. Usually seems like one voice versus many LO voices "supporters" as you call them.

I have been off far more than on the deck in the last few years because of the fighting and because when positive threads on Lakewood are posted they get far less attention.
One of the points I was making. (Minus your part about positive versus negative threads.)

As you know when I do get on I do try to shout out to the people, businesses, schools and educators doing well.
Agreed.

Many of those posters have stopped posting because of the fighting too.
One of the points I was making as well.

I have only met Steve Davis a few times but I was shocked that some would accuse him of falsifying this email and posting it.
I do not believe that I have ever met him.

His reputation is far more respectable than that.
As is Juris's reputation, as he is an elected official (some a vast majority favor him), though I have never held a conversation with him.

Accusing Shawn without proof or accusing Steve with no proof, both can be outrageous and unfair.
Agreed, though this thread seems to have already sentenced Juris.

I don't wish anything negative on anyone involved here and hope there is a resolution that brings some sort of peace and community.
Agreed.

Yes Kate very telling statements that an outsider can plainly see by reading a few weeks of the deck.
Agreed. Very transparent.

The same group of people come out on threads to oppose the same group of people. That is no secret to anyone.
By this, I'm sure you are including Lakewood Observer "supporters" in that group summation. If so, then I agree.

Blogs are all about different viewpoints and disagreeing but there is an anger here that continues to divide people who would normally get along fine. I think that is sad.
Agreed, but this is not a blog, it was started as a community forum and means to communicate - not for individuals to take over and turn into a blog-style pseudo-reporting, though some do tend to use it as a blog and to air personal grievances, hence a blog.

Corey

[Jerry Ritcey]

Without the full headers, you can't tell anything. Half of the spam I get every day is "from" me, except it isn't really if you look at the email headers showing it came fror m other servers and spoofed my address. No one has hacker me, they are just inserting a false reply-to address and from address when they send their email from wheverever they are.

That being said, multi-factor authentication makes it next to impossible to hack emails on large scale servers like Gmail.

[Mike Zannoni]

Are we planning on discussing whether the moon landing was a hoax next?
It's pitifully easy to send an email like that. You don't need to hack an account.
1) Go to a website that will block your IP information, such as http://anon.me.
2) Use an anonymous emailing service, such as http://anonymailer.net/
3) Punch in the fake name and email you'd like to use and send it.
The email shows up with the fake senders name and address and it can't be traced back to you.

Yes, this is possible, and then email would not be traceable at all. It would not show as having been sent specifically from the Lakewood Public Library, the Root Cafe, Shawn Juris' office, Steve Davis' office, or anywhere definite at all. It would however reveal that it was sent through an anonymizer, owing to it's lack of an IP address, or for the fact that the IP address was "blocked". That's why the email needs to have its IP traced to settle it, if that's what is desired.

If it had an untraceable IP address, then someone did that for a reason, and then we could infer that it's not what it seems: simply an email from Shawn Juris. If it has an IP address tracing to Shawn's home or office, then we could make the opposite inference.

Without the full headers, you can't tell anything. Half of the spam I get every day is "from" me, except it isn't really if you look at the email headers showing it came fror m other servers and spoofed my address. No one has hacker me, they are just inserting a false reply-to address and from address when they send their email from wheverever they are.

The email needs to be traced professionally, and may require a search warrant. "From" addresses and "Reply To" addresses are easily spoofed, but IP addresses are not. The FBI uses emails and posts to find hackers, molesters and terrorists by tracing back to servers then to locations all the time, and this is not seen to be a speculative process. Someone can cover their tracks to not be found, but not point the electronic finger at someone else, unless maybe you are the CIA or something, which is something neither Shawn, nor Steve nor any hypothetical prankster with such an asinine agenda would likely be.

The full headers would show us only the grossest of manipulation, but all the same, I'd like to see it too. I get spam looking like it's from my girlfriend's Yahoo address several times a day. The headers do show that the address is spoofed. However, the content is much more telling. (The sender earnestly wants me to pick up untold numbers of beautiful girls using the persuasiveness my GIANT SCHWANTZ . . . and my girlfriend's not German, you see.)

[Stephen Eisel]

but IP addresses are not

Really? CGI proxy

anonymizer

http://www.onlineanonymizer.com/ Would this not work for e-mails? in reference to setting up a fake e-mail account and then sending it so it could not be traced.. Thanks just asking

[Mike Zannoni]

but IP addresses are not

Really? CGI proxy

anonymizer

http://www.onlineanonymizer.com/ Would this not work for e-mails? in reference to setting up a fake e-mail account and then sending it so it could not be traced.. Thanks just asking

What I'm saying is that despite the different ways to OBSCURE the Sender, if competent analysis shows this email actually coming from the Councilman's home or office internet connection, then there would not be much doubt. If the email shows signs that the sender was spoofing anything at all, or it’s ultimately untraceable, then the email is obviously not what it seems: simply an ordinary email from Shawn Juris to Steve Davis. If tampering, spoofing, CGI proxy or any kind of anonymizing whatsoever were in evidence, then Mr. Juris should have the benefit of the doubt. It just doesn’t seem likely that a Sender would spoof himself and then send an email with his own name on it.

Unless Shawn has a permanent static IP address, and someone knows exactly what it is, and is pretty sophisticated, it would be highly doubtful that a trace that indicated his home or office as the origin for the email message would be in error. A dynamic IP address is even less easily knowable for the time of sending, unless his home or office was "bugged". Dynamic IP addresses are on record however, and can be traced for a particular known time.

Anything is possible, but looking at the context of the communication, tone, language, known relationship between the parties, etc., it's simply more credible that it’s just what it appears to be, especially if it actually traces to him. If it doesn't, it doesn't, and that would and should be the end of that.

[Mike Zannoni]

In all seriousness, does anyone know if a police report was actually made and what that report number is?

If not, does anyone know how a citizen is to get such a thing?

Before this slides into nothingness and foggy Lakewood memory, I'd like for there to be some official record of the episode and to know if it's being followed up. Or not.

It very dispiriting for things like this to just fade away, without something redeeming coming out of it, even if it's simply due process, adjudication, shaking hands, aw shucks, repentance before the Lord, or whatever.

So what's the rumpus? Anyone know anything?

[Jeff Dreger]

I do not know. I haven't forgotten but nor have I taken the time to follow up. One should be able to visit the police station and request the report without knowing the number up front. Ongoing investigations are apparently not made available but at least the initial report should be. Nothing was in the dispatch call records available online so I'm guessing Mr. Juris filed the report in person. A little more proactive openness would make me feel a little more confident in this process/issue. I too would like to see an update and will be looking for some final official determination.

[Grace O'Malley]

You all are so polite!

I'll restate my earlier post with my take on the matter: the email is legitimate and Shawn Juris denied it out of embarrassment -two juvenile lapses in judgment.

[Nadhal Eadeh]

Just curious.....does anyone know what the status of the police report is?

[marklingm]

At this point I'll leave it to the Police to investigate.

It appears that no actual "police report" has been made to date.

It also appears that no actual investigation by the Lakewood Police Department has taken place to date.

Today, July 9, 2012, at approximately 9:28 a.m., the Lakewood Police Records Department informed me that no “police report” was ever made by Ward 3 Lakewood City Councilman Shawn Juris regarding this email-gate situation.

Rather, Lakewood Councilman Juris simply filed an “information report” which was memorialized as Incident Report 12-4386, a copy of which can be obtained for 15 cents.

According to the Lakewood Police Records Department, the difference between an “information report” and a “police report” is that nothing is done to investigate an “information report” – i.e., it is informational only.

Only an actual “police report” is investigated by the Lakewood Police Department according to the Lakewood Police Records Department.

The above information seems to conflict with a prior quote from Mayor and Public Safety Director Michael P. Summers, wherein he said that the Lakewood Police Department is taking the “police report” seriously and is quoted as saying that:

The first question is “was there a crime committed?” Was there an identity theft or the impersonating of a public official? Right now, they’re trying to figure out the facts and whether a crime has occurred.

[marklingm]

The above information seems to conflict with a prior quote from Mayor and Public Safety Director Michael P. Summers, wherein he said that the Lakewood Police Department is taking the “police report” seriously and is quoted as saying that:

The first question is “was there a crime committed?” Was there an identity theft or the impersonating of a public official? Right now, they’re trying to figure out the facts and whether a crime has occurred.

As a point of clarification, the above quote from Mayor and Public Safety Director Michael P. Summers was shared on June 29, 2012, which happens to be the exact same date that the incident report was "completed."

A copy of the actual “incident report” is below.

[Grace O'Malley]

I think we can safely conclude that Shawn Juris DID send that email to Steve Davis.

Shawn should be ashamed of himself. Not only did he send that email, exhibiting such hubris that it borders on being delusions of grandeur, he made a second judgment error by denying that he sent it.

To me, this is highly indicative of a man unsuited for public office. Not only is he thin-skinned and vindictive, he is a liar.

[J Hrlec]

I think we can safely conclude that Shawn Juris DID send that email to Steve Davis.

Hopefully you're not a lawyer. There is not one thing that definitely proves he did or did not send that email.

I understand you and others don't like the councilman (I am neutral and have no direct experience with him), but it is not a good idea to let our thoughts and opinions affect legal reality, outside of these types of forums. It would be no better than what people are accusing SJ based on assumption.

[Scott Meeson]

At this point I'll leave it to the Police to investigate.

It appears that no actual "police report" has been made to date.

It also appears that no actual investigation by the Lakewood Police Department has taken place to date.

Today, July 9, 2012, at approximately 9:28 a.m., the Lakewood Police Records Department informed me that no “police report” was ever made by Ward 3 Lakewood City Councilman Shawn Juris regarding this email-gate situation.

Rather, Lakewood Councilman Juris simply filed an “information report” which was memorialized as Incident Report 12-4386, a copy of which can be obtained for 15 cents.

According to the Lakewood Police Records Department, the difference between an “information report” and a “police report” is that nothing is done to investigate an “information report” – i.e., it is informational only.

Only an actual “police report” is investigated by the Lakewood Police Department according to the Lakewood Police Records Department.

The above information seems to conflict with a prior quote from Mayor and Public Safety Director Michael P. Summers, wherein he said that the Lakewood Police Department is taking the “police report” seriously and is quoted as saying that:

The first question is “was there a crime committed?” Was there an identity theft or the impersonating of a public official? Right now, they’re trying to figure out the facts and whether a crime has occurred.

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[Mike Zannoni]

You all are so polite!

I'll restate my earlier post with my take on the matter: the email is legitimate and Shawn Juris denied it out of embarrassment -two juvenile lapses in judgment.

But now, unfortunately, we've gotten beyond "juvenile lapses in judgment," or any kind of personality problem, or so it seems. Anyone can fall down, but at some point a person of responsibility and accountability has to stand up.

Since no real police report was made ("information report" notwithstanding), but statements have been made to the contrary (by Mr. Juris and the mayor no less), we are entering the world of ongoing deliberate deception. In other words, it’s a cover up.

Is this deception simply to cover personal embarrassment over poor judgment? I think not. It's more like deception to protect ones reputation, political position/aspirations. personal liability and possibly criminal liability.

These people are our Councilman and our Mayor, people with whom we have a trust. This behavior shows such a gross level of IMMATURUTY that it calls into question their general competence to actually do the jobs they've been entrusted to do. Our doing nothing at this point is tantamount to saying we just don't care who steers the boat.