Did Lincoln spike the ball after the Civil War?

[Stephen Eisel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jniVeih8 ... re=related

[Stephen Eisel]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 08474.html

Consider the events surrounding the operation. A recently disclosed memorandum from then-CIA Director Leon Panetta shows that the president's celebrated derring-do in authorizing the operation included a responsibility-escape clause: "The timing, operational decision making and control are in Admiral McRaven's hands. The approval is provided on the risk profile presented to the President. Any additional risks are to be brought back to the President for his consideration. The direction is to go in and get bin Laden and if he is not there, to get out."

Which is to say, if the mission went wrong, the fault would be Adm. McRaven's, not the president's. Moreover, the president does not seem to have addressed at all the possibility of seizing material with intelligence value—which may explain his disclosure immediately following the event not only that bin Laden was killed, but also that a valuable trove of intelligence had been seized, including even the location of al Qaeda safe-houses. That disclosure infuriated the intelligence community because it squandered the opportunity to exploit the intelligence that was the subject of the boast.

[ryan costa]

If I remember the Civil War correctly, President Lincoln stated to his cabinet or confidantes that he would prefer to allow Jefferson Davis and some other of his senior staff to slip away somehow after the war had concluded.

I cannot remember if he wrote it down on a memo. or if any of his functionaries wrote it down on a memo. There were fewer functionaries then, and it took longer to write stuff down with pencil or pen. so they wrote fewer trivial things down, including memos for dealing with hypothetical outcomes.

[russell dunn]

This is by far the best one yet, it really is. Well, did he ?

[Stephen Eisel]

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[Jim O'Bryan]

Well as he was an R, he probably spiked it and danced on the 40 yard line and declared
the game won!




And look he is using one of those communist teleprompter thingys too!

I mean it is their style eh? Even is costume!

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[Stephen Eisel]

http://articles.cnn.com/2003-05-01/us/b ... s?_s=PM:US

Thank you. Thank you all very much.

Admiral Kelly, Captain Card, officers and sailors of the USS Abraham Lincoln, my fellow Americans, major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed.

And now our coalition is engaged in securing and reconstructing that country.

In this battle, we have fought for the cause of liberty and for the peace of the world. Our nation and our coalition are proud of this accomplishment, yet it is you, the members of the United States military, who achieved it. Your courage, your willingness to face danger for your country and for each other made this day possible.

Because of you our nation is more secure. Because of you the tyrant has fallen and Iraq is free.

Operation Iraqi Freedom was carried out with a combination of precision and speed and boldness the enemy did not expect and the world had not seen before.

From distant bases or ships at sea, we sent planes and missiles that could destroy an enemy division or strike a single bunker. Marines and soldiers charged to Baghdad across 350 miles of hostile ground in one of the swiftest advances of heavy arms in history.

You have shown the world the skill and the might of the American armed forces.

This nation thanks all of the members of our coalition who joined in a noble cause. We thank the armed forces of the United Kingdom, Australia and Poland who shared in the hardships of war. We thank all of the citizens of Iraq who welcomed our troops and joined in the liberation of their own country.

And tonight, I have a special word for Secretary Rumsfeld, for General Franks and for all the men and women who wear the uniform of the United States: America is grateful for a job well done.

The character of our military through history, the daring of Normandy, the fierce courage of Iwo Jima, the decency and idealism that turned enemies into allies is fully present in this generation.

When Iraqi civilians looked into the faces of our service men and women, they saw strength and kindness and good will. When I look at the members of the United States military, I see the best of our country and I am honored to be your commander in chief.

[Stephen Eisel]

I do not remember Bush ever using anyone's death as a reason to re-elect him.. trutly classless of Obama.

[Jim O'Bryan]

I do not remember Bush ever using anyone's death as a reason to re-elect him.. trutly classless of Obama.

Stephen

Have you lost your Independent Mind? Everything leading up to 9/11 was about fear. Every
second from 9/11 on was a photo opt combined with death and fear. You may want to move
the goal posts, something many say is a Obama trait, but you asked about spiking the ball.
When it was pointed out just how damn eager he was, like the guy running down a field
with no one around him that dances then loses the ball on the 20, you now say death.

Yellow Cake? Weapons of Mass Destruction? We got Sadaam, and his sons, and his...

We just went through 8 years of Bush spiking the ball hourly.

I cannot believe you as an Independent forget the facts.

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[Stephen Eisel]

Jim, I was simply pointing out that Obama spiking the ball after UBL's death was beneath him. This was not an endorsement of Bush's stunt of landing on the USS Abraham Lincoln. 9-11 gave us TSA ..The most useless thing since the Pet Rock. do I need say more.. And no I am not voting for Romney..

[Stephen Eisel]

Yellow Cake? Weapons of Mass Destruction? We got Sadaam, and his sons, and his...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inThCFHe ... re=related

[Stephen Eisel]

Yellow Cake? Weapons of Mass Destruction? We got Sadaam, and his sons, and his...

Independent of any political party dis-information, there was eveidence that Saddam had WMD's after the first Gulf War and then moved some of WMD's to Syria pre-invasion. WMD's were found in Iraq (post invasion). The msm in the US chose not to report this becasue it did not coincide with their agenda. The question is.. Were these WMD's a threat to the world, when it was a fact that Saddam was supporting several terrorist organizations...???? no Kool-Aid.. just tons of research..

[russell dunn]

The whole Lincoln comparison just kills me. A carpetbag full of laughs...

George said something to the effect of " the people who knocked these buildings down
are going to hear from us, " I'm not sure if anything even to the extent of lighting a
bag of dog crap on Osamas' porch, ringing the bell, and running away occurred.....

I seem to recall a few pirates who were shot under similar operational orders from
our current president. Did Lincoln approve of the deaths of coastal raiders ? Did
he engage in a round or two of "kicking the Danes' head " to celebrate ? I'm sure
someone will set me straight here, please do.

Obama enabled the capture or death of Osama, as the troops on the scene saw fit
to carry out the operation. I'm glad he did. Anyone know where I can find a
WWLD bracelet ?

[Stephen Eisel]

Obama enabled the capture or death of Osama,

Guantanamo Bay, Waterboarding, The War on Terror and obvioulsy the military enabled the capture / end of UBL not Obama. How naive was our president to campaign against things that he obviously did not understand..LOL

[Jim O'Bryan]

Obama enabled the capture or death of Osama,

Guantanamo Bay, Waterboarding, The War on Terror and obvioulsy the military enabled the capture / end of UBL not Obama. How naive was our president to campaign against things that he obviously did not understand..LOL

Some things are not like light switches.

You remember the Frat party, where the guy puked in the tank, broke the stereo, the TV,
the oven, the toilet, and the front door. Yeah, well in this case the guy also took our wallet.

Good things take time, Illegal wars, just moments.

FWIW

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