Hilliard/Westwood Theater

[Terry Tekushan]

Now that the Hilliard/Westwood theater has finally come up in earnest conversation, I have a few words to say about it.

As it happens, I have had an intimate relationship with the Hilliard theater building. The owner is a friend of mine and at one time my brother and I were in a purchase agreement with him to buy it.

My brother's angle was to use it in part as a summer workshop space in association with New York's New School and Actor's Studio. At the time, he was associated with Parsons School of Design and an award-winning tv broadcast designer. With it would have come all manner of digital video equipment under an educationally subsidized program and the resultant seasonal influx of creative college students. In essence, the space would be rehabbed as a soundstage and recording venue first and a public performance venue second. This was to facilitate the rehab and to get around parking problems in the short term. The plan called for an increase in public performances over time as the project developed.

My angle on it was to be as project manager and historic preservation liaison with local preservation and national theater preservation communities, and to facilitate the formation of a 501c-3 and its board. I had even designed new HVAC systems in advance and planned roof repair strategies which would have preserved the original coved plaster ceiling's shape. And I was to design the entirety of the sound systems based on the audio circuits that I was designing for an esoteric speaker company at the time.

As a business owner and tenant in the building, I had an arrangement with the building owner in which I was given free reign of the theater in order to keep it dry and the deterioration in check. It was all about stabilizing it for the future and for a number of years we were successful. I spent many an hour from 1996 thru 2005 battling roof leaks (with a steady supply of roof cement from the owner), crawling through pipe chases and drawing up plans. I have to say that I enjoyed it, for a love of the building and its promise for the future. The interior is terrific, flexible, adaptable, largely ADA compliant, and with acoustics the best of anyplace in NE Ohio except for maybe Severance (I'm not exaggerating).

Speaking for my own and my brother's involvement, I can say that considerable money was spent on legal fees, appraisers, etc. let alone all the effort bringing together materials and labor budgets, and the actual plans for the programming/uses for the theater both short and long term. We had informal commitments of technical support from the Cleveland Restoration Society and the state preservation office regarding any and all incentives available and review of the project vis-a-vis Article 32 of Ohio's revised code with regard to rehab of historic structures. I met with esteemed members of CSU's College of Urban Affairs to determine how they could provide technical assistance through the city of Lakewood in creating a Business Investment District that would loosely encompass the Hilliard triangle and a short distance east and west on Madison in order to address the parking issues. We felt pursuing the building and then dealing with the parking issues in the long term was worthwhile since the compelling characteristics of that theater are so great.

There is, in fact, a fair amount of parking available if you could come to agreements with places like the northland plaza and others east and west of the triangle for off-hours use for parking. Additionally, a couple of buildings that would have been available for demolition across the street on Hilliard could have helped alleviate the short term parking problem. The long term parking plans, of course, involved the Silver Coast apartments, demolishing the east building first and the west building several years later. Theater rehab itself was to be under non-profit status (as they all seem to be) and was to form an anchor, a western terminus of a Madison business and arts district. The urban design involved the long term relocation of the gas station on the west point of the Hilliard Madison triangle because of the somewhat monumental potential for that spot, given the way traffic flows toward it from the east on both Madison and Hilliard, drawing the eye up to, well, a gas station. (We've managed to monumentalize the trivial with that gas station there) The long term plan sought to do something about that.

This was all a part of our proposal but it became clear that none of the gate-keepers at city hall or other noteworthy Lakewood institutions really cared or even understood the significance of our proposal and our plan's long term ramifications for the city. So nothing ever came of it. As far as city hall goes, I will also say that I dealt with no fewer than three distinctly different planning directors (one of which was interim but the most engaged), and that the detailed and comprehensive plan (including model theater plans from others across the country) presented to the city in 2003-4 disappeared from the public's access.

To say that my experience was demoralizing is an understatement. A little bit of me died with those plans, and I think a little bit of hope for Lakewood's future went with it. Here's why. Lakewood is vulnerable to the steady outmigration of people further and further into the hinterlands from the urban center. This is the "physics" of American cities and you better have a very good hand as a city or inner ring suburb to survive. And Lakewood has a half way decent hand. It's just that there seems to be a sad paradox of life at work here, which is that so many of those who have a need to hold power or purse strings in a community are also paralyzed by a breathtaking lack of vision. You can't fast food or convenience store a community into a destination for new residents or others. Honestly, I think some of them would rather woo an Appleby's than understand that an independent like, say, Deagan's is a better fit for Lakewood.

[How does anyone think W. 65th and Detroit would be doing right now if 15 years ago they leveled Gordon Square, the CPT building, the Capitol, and all the buildings around there and put up a Taco Bell, Rite Aid, Dairy Mart, KFC and a 7-Eleven for good measure? Hey, those would have been no-brainers! They would bring in short term commerce, not like those risky pie in the sky things those artsy folks talk about. And what the heck would anyone do with an abandoned screw factory of all things? But I digress.]

So one by one the unique and individualistic structures that distinguish Lakewood from its neighbors and region are being swept away in favor of those that commodify its character. Swept away with them are the hopes that architectural treasures will bolster it's culture for the future. Swept away with them are reasons for making Lakewood a destination in one's travels. Swept away with them are the very things that Lakewood should instead be leveraging in its battle against the devastating effects of urban sprawl.

I would say that all of us who have put effort into that theater, the motivation was the hope that the up coming generation of younger people would appreciate the qualities that that kind of venue presents and that our generation would step forward to first mothball it and them bring it back to life for them, and their children. Informal responses to the theater's interior spaces support this hope.

I can't speak for the owner of the building, but I think it fair to say that 1) a significant number of prospective willing and able tenants or purchasers expressed real interest in rehab or adaptive reuse, and 2) all of them (us) became frustrated with the intransigence of the Lakewood institutions involved.

For closers, I like this post on James Howard Kunstler's blog http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore.html and noting the Law of Perverse Outcomes, "People get what they deserve, not what they expect." We thought Lakewood deserved something great.

[Betsy Voinovich]

So one by one the unique and individualistic structures that distinguish Lakewood from its neighbors and region are being swept away in favor of those that commodify its character. Swept away with them are the hopes that architectural treasures will bolster it's culture for the future. Swept away with them are reasons for making Lakewood a destination in one's travels. Swept away with them are the very things that Lakewood should instead be leveraging in its battle against the devastating effects of urban sprawl.

I would say that all of us who have put effort into that theater, the motivation was the hope that the up coming generation of younger people would appreciate the qualities that that kind of venue presents and that our generation would step forward to first mothball it and them bring it back to life for them, and their children. Informal responses to the theater's interior spaces support this hope.

I can't speak for the owner of the building, but I think it fair to say that 1) a significant number of prospective willing and able tenants or purchasers expressed real interest in rehab or adaptive reuse, and 2) all of them (us) became frustrated with the intransigence of the Lakewood institutions involved.

For closers, I like this post on James Howard Kunstler's blog http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore.html and noting the Law of Perverse Outcomes, "People get what they deserve, not what they expect." We thought Lakewood deserved something great.

Hi Terry,

What a great idea. What happened to it? Was the community ever aware that they had such amazing possibilities before them?
It seems like you would have had a lot of support. Though I've lived in Lakewood for awhile, I only started paying attention to the city
I lived in after my first child hit school age, around 2005, 2006 (was in a bit of a cocoon before that.) I can't believe you wouldn't have had community support.

Is there any possibility you could bring that idea back? Do you have pictures you could post to show us what you were talking about?

Thank you so much for telling this story. Wish so much that I had heard it sooner.

Betsy Voinovich

p.s. That eyesore site is hilarious. I suppose if it didn't make you laugh it would make you cry. This particular one
of a big box store made to look like Main Street hit home. http://www.kunstler.com/eyesore_201104.html

[Jim O'Bryan]

Lakewood is vulnerable to the steady outmigration of people further and further into the hinterlands from the urban center. This is the "physics" of American cities and you better have a very good hand as a city or inner ring suburb to survive. And Lakewood has a half way decent hand. It's just that there seems to be a sad paradox of life at work here, which is that so many of those who have a need to hold power or purse strings in a community are also paralyzed by a breathtaking lack of vision. You can't fast food or convenience store a community into a destination for new residents or others. Honestly, I think some of them would rather woo an Appleby's than understand that an independent like, say, Deagan's is a better fit for Lakewood.

Terry

Welcome aboard.

For those that do not know Terry, everything he has said is true. I have had the chance to
know for nearly a decade and his father a spectacular architect who had worked on the
original Cleveland Indians/Muni Field.

I do remember there being other factors near the end that frustrated you as well.

As for the paragraphed I pulled. This is no longer correct. The fastest growing area of
Cuyahoga County is downtown Cleveland. The amount of residential growth downtown
is amazing. It is slowly bleeding off to the next ring, Tremont, Ohio City, Detroit Shoreway,
but it is no where near as "growing" as the CDCs in those communities work hard to
make you think it is.

Lakewood has/had a wonderful opportunity that has been completely squandered for so
many petty reasons it borders on tragic. Lakewood, has "control" issues. They also have
many of the same traits as ore boats and steamliners, unable to steer away from outdated
ideas them seemed married to. In a down turned society, in a tough region of the county,
with internet sales going through the rough, them seem set on retail no matter what and
the lowest hanging fruit on the tree. Mediocre burger place and restaurants. I do believe in
our ever growing list of prepared food establishments we have surpassed 300. In 5
square miles.

I hope they can find our way, but with regionalist running the show and the county I doubt
it. I fear our lot has been cast. Sacrifice much of Lakewood in a fruitless effort to reduce
taxes for a few that either over bought or poorly planned, but control the reigns.

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[Meg Ostrowski]

Terry, Thank you for sharing your story here with us. There is so much to be learned from your experience.

Someone said "timing is everything."

The University of Akron was instrumental in the rehabilitation of the Akron Civic Theater.

[Terry Tekushan]

What a great idea. What happened to it? Was the community ever aware that they had such amazing possibilities before them?
It seems like you would have had a lot of support.
Betsy Voinovich


Your point about community support is a good one, but I learned my lesson about that quite some time before our plans were formulated. I first found myself coming to the defense of the theater in about 2002 IIRC when the Cain administration targeted three areas of Lakewood for study. It was Main Street Connections city planning consultants working with the First Suburbs Consortium that organized a series of community meetings regarding three targeted areas: Downtown Lakewood, the (not yet infamous) West End, and the Hilliard Triangle (meaning the theater).

At the Hilliard Triangle meeting (held one evening at Grace Presbyterian Church), one after another local residents just savaged the theater and suggested it be torn down as soon as possible and turned into a parking lot! This was in response to the planners' description of the theater as "historic." Now, I was petrified of public speaking but I couldn't stay seated for that. I spoke about its history, its strengths, and that the obvious question was, turn it into a parking lot for WHAT? It's the only thing around there that could be a draw. After describing the restored and improved theater in a way that people could see it in their mind's eye, the attitude of the residents who spoke after me had shifted in support of the theater.

Madeline Cain wrapped up the meeting suggesting that if anything should be turned into a parking lot, it should be the Silver Coast apartments, echoing my point that the Silver Coast was built on the original parking lot for the theater in a bone-headed and legally questionable move.

Understanding that the newfound support was ephemeral and not very substantive, I understood that at the very least, tacit support from the institutional community was indispensable, particularly in light of the fact that we needed such support for the long term parking and urban design components.

Of course, the Cain administration's focus on the West End and Downtown put the Hilliard Triangle at the bottom rung of the priority list, so we didn't pursue anything at that point. We started anew with the George administration, but you get the idea.

Unfortunately that particular ship has sailed, but when you talk to my brother, the new ideas start to flow. But I don't see any immediate action possible at this juncture. Can that building hold out that long???

Terry

[Terry Tekushan]

The fastest growing area of
Cuyahoga County is downtown Cleveland. The amount of residential growth downtown is amazing. It is slowly bleeding off to the next ring, Tremont, Ohio City, Detroit Shoreway, but it is no where near as "growing" as the CDCs in those communities work hard to make you think it is.

Lakewood has/had a wonderful opportunity that has been completely squandered for so many petty reasons it borders on tragic.
.

What you say is true about growth in Cleveland. The numbers are small, but as long as the percentage growth rates continue, then we should be able to see real progress in a decade or so. Change that is dreaded seems to happen so quickly, but change that is anticipated just seems to take too long!

I'm wondering if the pressure of higher fuel prices and economic uncertainty will have some benefit for the inner ring, bringing some welcome sanity to what I see as what has been the worst land use planning in history. Of course, whole books can be written on that subject (and have been) but the Lakewood's bicycle friendly thing, the LEAF thing and the Hen thing all point in this direction.

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And Jim, thanks for remembering Dad. We've never forgotten what you meant to him as a friend and neighbor.

Terry

[Jim O'Bryan]

The fastest growing area of
Cuyahoga County is downtown Cleveland. The amount of residential growth downtown is amazing. It is slowly bleeding off to the next ring, Tremont, Ohio City, Detroit Shoreway, but it is no where near as "growing" as the CDCs in those communities work hard to make you think it is.

Lakewood has/had a wonderful opportunity that has been completely squandered for so many petty reasons it borders on tragic.
.

What you say is true about growth in Cleveland. The numbers are small, but as long as the percentage growth rates continue, then we should be able to see real progress in a decade or so. Change that is dreaded seems to happen so quickly, but change that is anticipated just seems to take too long!

I'm wondering if the pressure of higher fuel prices and economic uncertainty will have some benefit for the inner ring, bringing some welcome sanity to what I see as what has been the worst land use planning in history. Of course, whole books can be written on that subject (and have been) but the Lakewood's bicycle friendly thing, the LEAF thing and the Hen thing all point in this direction.

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And Jim, thanks for remembering Dad. We've never forgotten what you meant to him as a friend and neighbor.

Terry

Terry

Years ago I was part of a project that was named the Visionary Alignment for Lakewood.
Headed by Ken Warren(read his report on Occupy Lakewood in the new Observer) it looked
very long into the future. Instead of being a "50 year report" in name only it looked at
worst case scenarios for a city like Lakewood and the surrounding areas, and prepared for
those, with the belief that it would prepare us for anything. This was not building unneeded
bomb shelters, but building needed groups, backyard farms, and yes even a community
paper for the betterment of the community.

While so many laughed and poo-pooed the idea, they are very very ideas you speak of. The Lakewood Observer was the first. As a way to trickle out the ideas and track the progess
of what works and what doesn't. LEAF was the next I believe, then Bike Lakewood, Lakewood is Art, Cafe University, Fresh Water Institute, and another 21 programs that
would change the city for the good forever. Based on simple premisses for what residents
need to secure their life and their place in life.

God, almost 10 years ago we had Gold at over $1,200 an ounce. In fact most in the group
bought into gold. We looked at gas at $5,00 a gallon plus. We looked at a collapsed
insurance industry, changed climate, shifting regions of finance, the internet and what
comes next and on and on. Along the line we charted ideas that could make a difference
for both the city, and the residents. Then we looked at best case scenarios electric cars,
the banking industry and housing bubble not collapsing, and saw what made sense. When
you have something that stands out in best and worst case scenarios you have something
worth pursuing. Food Security was a no brainer. The Observer was a no brainer. Community
Currency was a no brainer, Bike Lakewood was a no brainer, and on and on and on.

The key to all of these movements is to keep them autonomous, and completely away
from city hall and the government. The key was to keep them strong and on their own
with the ability to work with each other only when it makes sense. I mean how does one
fight for chickens, and economic development? How does one fight for business incubators
that spurn projects like Aladdins, Melt, Observer (fastest growing business in the area) and
Panara Bread, McDonalds, and Jimmy Johns. Do we throw in with a aux program like U of A,
or do we work to bring in a real college campus from China, France, England, or the coast?
Do we stop and fake awards for things undone, or push ahead for real progress that can
be felt and measured by everyone in a city not just a small few?

There are still more than 17 programs from the original VAL and since then, when we do
get together, another 3-4 have come up but yet to be properly vetted. Another major one
is about to be rolled out in 2012, and I predict it will have the largest impact yet on Lakewood.

As for your dad, I love good people, and he was one of the best. His kids are ok too.

Thanks for jumping in.

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[Meg Ostrowski]

Over three years ago the conversation went like this...

http://lakewoodobserver.com/deck/viewto ... sc&start=0

with Ed FitzGerald, Tom George, and others weighing in.

Isn't it time something be done?

[Michael Loje]

***This is a message from Bob, the owner of the Hilliard Theater****

Wanted to make a few points of clarification regarding the Hilliard theater - I have owned it since 1999 - about 11 years. I do not know Ryan Salo so his experiences must have happened before I owned it. The mayor has never been inside this theater since I have owned it. He has asked, but have not been able to pin down a time I could show him as I am swamped with caregiving for my Mom and a good friend. Terry's comments are very accurate and he definitely did his due diligence in his attempts to make something work here. About 3 years ago I lost my teaching job due to cutbacks at the steel mill and Ford, so I am just surviving right now and dont have any funds for any further work than keeping my few tenants safe and in heated apartments- it has been a long time since anything has been going on in the theater - about 21 years and through 2 owners. thanks, bob

[Meg Ostrowski]

I understand that the theater has been officially declared a nuisance.

Say it isn't so.

Anyone?

[Terry Tekushan]

Yeah, well, there have been opportunities, and perhaps there have been misjudgements in assessing proposals, but City Hall has chased everyone from this property for nearly 30 years. Intransigent at best. I reiterate that when proposals were provided to the planning director(s), that we were told "Become the property of the Citizens of the City of Lakewood" once turned over- have been "disappeared" from the shelves of city hall.

The last go around with my brother Mark, myself, Bob Dobush and the CITY, we proposed to, upon signing One Last Purchase Agreement:

=Replace the rusticated concrete coping (capping) on the Hilliard side of the building;
="Net" the facade to prevent chunks of loose concrete from being able to reach the sidewalk below (the kind of safety net that actually is fastened directly to the facade);
=Install a 100'x100' black and silver tarp to drop over the entire roof and fastened to masonry below (as preservationists do to protect old buildings and barns, just to buy a decade's time to come up with rehab plans).

In spring of 2005 this offer was put on the table to do this at our expense and enter a longer term purchase agreement, and if it came to nothing again, Bob Dobush could keep those protective interventions as a concession prize.

For a variety of reasons, including a "chicken and egg" discussion with the Planning Director at the time ("Do we get cooperation from the city, or do we risk getting nailed to a cross, particularly as it concerns parking?" and the response being, "No, you go first. Stick you neck out and commit to purchase and then MAYBE we'll tell you whether we'll be Dr. Jeckyll or Mr. Hyde regarding immediate citations and parking variances." [I'm paraphrasing here]

So that was it for us. We determined that no one involved other than us (me in particular) had any interest in the long term survival of the theater.

I couldn't deal with it any more, and the roof had turned a bad corner, in terms of patching having significant viability vs a new roof or the Big Giant Tarp. I knew that structure better than anybody, as I was the only person to take on the fairly continuous patching task to begin with. I even had a plot of the roof and its leaks and would mark the priority points for patching, and update it every time it rained. We called it "the flow chart."

Something had to be done right then or require complete deck/rafter replacement in a few years. I told this to anyone who would listen to no avail. I promptly moved my business out of the building.

Since then, I recently and only half jokingly suggested that a clear glass atrium be built over the structure and the entire ceiling and roof structure be sprayed with a water-thin penetrating epoxy, to "freeze" the wooden stringer and plaster structure in place. And then rehab as is, preserving the state of the "airborne parts" as a safe and usable "modern urban ruin" kind of like what you see in Detroit or Gary or East St. Louis, gaping "skylights" and all- but in a good neighborhood and safe to occupy.

More practically at this point, the roof would have to be removed from the steel superstructure (which is built like a railroad trestle and quite fine, thank you), to have a new one constructed in the economical modern manner of steel stringers suspended from the steel superstructure and masonry which is also still in very good condition. The coved ceiling should be measured and photographed for reproduction from a drywall base. The side plaster facades are restorable to this date. It's just ironic that the "atmospheric" design of the theater has as its focal points the plaster facades of buildings so that it appears as an outdoor amphitheater. Well, now it is. The facades are genuinely lit with daylight now.

In another city or state (or country) this would all be feasible, as the masonry, foundation and steel roof superstructure is strong (a testament to how it's overbuilt). But I'm sure Lakewood Elite would never see the potential in such ideas.

Sure, they could wind up on the front page of architectural magazines and go internationally viral on the 'net, being celebrated for their foresight and creativity, or they build some big box fast food joint or something cookie cutter tired old "trendy" thing there to preserve their Mediocrity of Vision in perpetuity.

Lakewood leaders and bureaucrats will choose the latter, guaranteed.

Terry

[Michael Deneen]

Frankly, I'm tired of hearing about this.
That building has no functional future.....Capitol Theater has beaten it to the punch, and there is no need for another live theater in Lakewood.
In addition to the building's decay, it lacks parking.

Please tear it down already.

[Terry Tekushan]

Having said all of the above, I have no doubt that the theater will be demolished. But at the risk of offending the sensibilities of those who are tired of hearing about this, lets casually look at other cultural items that have "No Functional Future" (which, from a Functional Value standpoint can be argued to include all music, culture and art unless it can be immediately monetized)-

From: clevelandhistorical dot org, regarding the Capitol theater:

"In 1978, the parapet of the Gordon Square Arcade collapsed and damaged the marquee. Plans were quickly prepared for the demolition of the building. Although the building itself was spared through the efforts of the Detroit Shoreway Community Development Organization, the Capitol Theatre eventually closed down in 1985 due to years of deterioration. With the revival of the Detroit Shoreway neighborhood and the designation of the Gordon Square area as a cultural arts district, the theater was renovated and reopened in 2009."

Regarding Cleveland Public Theater:

"Ingrained into the mission of the theater is the belief that art can not only change individual lives, but that the theater can be a means to revitalize the surrounding neighborhood. Beyond providing a space and forum for local artists to perform and display their work, CPT developed urban outreach programs that provide educational services to at-risk youth and homeless adults. In addition, the success of Cleveland Public Theatre helped set the stage for the transformation of the surrounding neighborhood into an emerging arts district."

Those derelict buildings were the kernel of making Detroit Shoreway a destination for people from all over the region. I can see we wouldn't want that too, since they beat Lakewood to the punch.

And 90 years ago the Play House Square theaters were built, and experienced decline such that they were declared to have No Functional Future by 1972. The demolition equipment was on site.

Instead, today, from playhousesquare dot org:

"The 90th anniversary celebration will give us the opportunity to say "thank you" by paying tribute to the visionaries who made it possible."

And at every one of these turns, there were the cries from both our shortsighted imaginationless leaders and the peanut gallery, "Please just tear them down already!"

Too bad there isn't a politician of such sensibilities (rare as unicorns, I know) sorta like Voinovich shaming business leaders into saving Muni Light in 1980 or so. Or spouses of rich and powerful people to champion the idea so that the money-bags out there will feel it is in their interest to step up. Art and architecture as civic duty and all. Apparently those types of people are getting scarce to the point of vanishing in today's milieu.

So, let's hear it for Mediocrity of Vision! Visionaries are such busybodies. Oh, how much richer we will be as a people once that theater is gone!

Rah, rah,. . .rah.


*sigh* I wonder if Gary Rice has a banjo I could borrow. . .

[Bill Call]

When the theater owner sold the parking lot he destroyed what ever future the building had.

The Capital Theater received almost $8 million tax dollars for renovation and is still in need of subsidies for its operating expenses. Has anyone offered the same for the Hilliard Theater?

[Gary Rice]

Living, as my family has done since 1958, in the part of Lakewood where that theater is located, I've long felt that our area of town has not received either the recognition or attention that it needed to have. The concrete wall at the north side of the Wagar Park tennis courts playground, for example, has been seriously cracked and leaning for years. The theater area is, well, what it is for all to see, and then you have several other concerns that have existed for some time that I'll not go into right now.

These points made, "our" section of town is a surprisingly vibrant, interesting, and eclectic part of Lakewood, having a variety of great businesses; not the least of which include Vance Music and Lakewood Hardware. "The Gas Station" business right there at the Hilliard Madison triangle is my personal go-to place for great mechanical car service, and we absolutely LOVE the many years' long-standing Golden Gate Chinese restaurant across the street. We've also done business at the Carpet Stock Market shop a few doors away, and Alternative Rental and Services right there too has fixed our lawn and snow removal stuff for years...

...and let's not forget beautiful Harding School, and that tremendous ball field!

As a musician, I'd LOVE to see the theater revive as an eclectic community cultural arts center. To Dad and me, and so many others, the Arts are an absolutely essential element of humanity. Anyone who does a walk-by that theater could easily envision the possibilities for that becoming the centerpiece of a magnificent community destination for Lakewood.

As almost always with the arts however, that would probably take either some kind of public or private foundation money, as the arts so often need that sort of assistance in order to survive.

Which is one reason why I became a teacher, rather than a full time musician...

Back to the banjo...