Liberal Brain vs Conservative Brain

[Roy Pitchford]

Maybe you should try watching it.

peace

Yes, do the people at MSNBC a favor and double their ratings...

Roy

And here is the problem in a nutshell.

"Charlie, do not seek the truth in your statement, just believe it and never, never, never
seek a second opinion that might help you see the light or even a slightly different perspective." To rephrase.

Roy, I believe you are overstaing the power of the Deck if you think it can double the
ratings of MSNBC.
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Jim, I think you might be misunderstanding me. If Charlie started watching MSNBC, it would double their ratings. I wasn't talking about the Deck in general.
You know, somewhere on YouTube is video of Olbermann saying, "The number one show in all of cable news...unless you count Fox News."

Stay a ditto head forever, in the dark, being spun like a top, and fighting against your own self interest and future.

First, my work and my schedule does not permit me to be a ditto head. I haven't listened to him, even for 5 minutes, for many months.

Second, I would contend that I am actually fighting for my own self interest.
Who do you suppose would have a better idea of my self-interests? Would that be me, or some government bureaucrat currently residing in DC?

[Jim O'Bryan]

Who do you suppose would have a better idea of my self-interests? Would that be me, or some government bureaucrat currently residing in DC?

Roy

On one hand I agree, on the other, I know not what your condition is.

I have generally found "Republican" stances to benefit $3 mill+.

Conservatism is a tougher one, as it is a combination of wealth, age, dreams, etc.

Libertarianism simply talk in college dorms by drunk students.

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[Roy Pitchford]

Who do you suppose would have a better idea of my self-interests? Would that be me, or some government bureaucrat currently residing in DC?

Roy

On one hand I agree, on the other, I know not what your condition is.

I have generally found "Republican" stances to benefit $3 mill+.

Conservatism is a tougher one, as it is a combination of wealth, age, dreams, etc.

Libertarianism simply talk in college dorms by drunk students.

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I have mentioned aspects of my "condition" on the boards, but to go into greater detail wouldn't be the best thing to discuss on a public forum. As for your generalizations, I wouldn't fit your definition of a republican, nor would my parents. That is how I am registered, but I've been thinking about dropping it for some time.
Libertarianism is not the talk of college dorm drunks, in my experience. Of course, I was never in the dorm, nor do I drink so...

[Jim O'Bryan]

Roy

The Libertarianism comment was based on decades of conversations and runs a simple
narrative I run through with those pushing for Libertarianism. First, it is near a dream
state and one that we should always look at as on edge of the table. We all want less
oversight, intervention and big brother government. It would be nice to return to the true
state of this country, but I am not sure how we would ever get back there.

That said, it is a state fro dreamers not realists, and most "Libertarians" I meet, that would
be people calling themselves that, can live that way because of the sheer amount of money
they make. No need for roads, police, libraries, etc.

Most "Republicans" I meet around here, believe in a system either through peer pressure,"Urban Cowboy Republicans" or because they believe some day soon, they will
be part of the upper 1%. OR were born Republicans, and know little else. This last group
seem to be unwilling to understand today's Republicans are not Republicans.

Where Democrats are a weird breed. They believe in so much and so many different things
they only agree to come together every couple years to defend their small list of needs
and wants usually in opposition to Republicans and Libertarians. Though many democrats
and Republicans romance about Libertarianism. Of course many Democrats today do not
realize today's Democrats are not Democrats.

Again a generalization, nothing more to move a discussion along.

Roy I tend to believe we agree far more than we disagree. To many that would be the
basis of a good conversation and future. To others it is a reason to walk away. You agree
100% or you are wrong. I believe this is the current state of conversation and life in
America today. As for what you are registered, does it matter compared to what is in
your heart and mind? Hell 25% of Lakewood's elected Democrats are Republicans. Actions,
will always speak louder than words. Words louder than inaction.


FWIW

[Roy Pitchford]

Roy I tend to believe we agree far more than we disagree. To many that would be the basis of a good conversation and future. To others it is a reason to walk away. You agree 100% or you are wrong. I believe this is the current state of conversation and life in America today.

I think you are right, that the 2 of us probably do agree on a lot of issues.
If I ever give the appearance of the whole "agree 100% or you are wrong" that you mentioned, there's something else at work. I'm either having a bad day and taking it out on the boards or I'm being supremely sarcastic about it.

That said, it is a state fro dreamers not realists, and most "Libertarians" I meet, that would be people calling themselves that, can live that way because of the sheer amount of money they make. No need for roads, police, libraries, etc.

I'm not sure I agree with that assessment of libertarians, though I doubt I've met the same people you have. What you describe sounds more like a kind of peaceful anarchy. Perhaps that is an extremely purist form of libertarianism.

I would like to believe that many of the people that would view themselves as libertarian nowadays could also be called Constitutionalists. They wish to return the Federal government to within the confines of the Constitution.
(Those on the left tend to begin yelling that Constitutionalists want to return to slavery and the 3/5ths clause. These people obviously forget that we have a few Amendments which ended slavery and that the 3/5ths rule was actually a means to end slavery while also allowing the 13 colonies to stay united. The South wanted slaves counted as equals because it would mean stronger representation for them in the House and they could have perpetuated slavery indefinitely. The 3/5ths clause reduced their representation enough to give abolition a chance to succeed, in the future.)

We all want less oversight, intervention and big brother government. It would be nice to return to the true state of this country, but I am not sure how we would ever get back there.

The trouble I find with this is that, no, "we all" do not want that. There a great many people that want more oversight, intervention and that "Big Brother" government. My beef with the current administration is that it seems to have a greater share of people that DO believe that way. I've shared, several times, the words of John Holdren, Cass Sunstein and Ezekiel Emanuel and their views on health care through the complete lives system.

Reagan said in his 1964 Time for Choosing speech in support of Barry Goldwater, "They say we offer simple answers to complex problems. Well, perhaps there is a simple answer--not an easy answer--but simple."
There are simple ways to return to the Constitution, but they are far from easy. We can do it because we are the greatest country on Earth, but we must be willing to make some sacrifices along the way.

[ryan costa]

Reagan said in his 1964 Time for Choosing speech in support of Barry Goldwater, "They say we offer simple answers to complex problems. Well, perhaps there is a simple answer--not an easy answer--but simple."
There are simple ways to return to the Constitution, but they are far from easy. We can do it because we are the greatest country on Earth, but we must be willing to make some sacrifices along the way.

How are we away from the Constitution? What is unconstitutional?
what unconstitutional-ness has your priority for eliminating?

Is it possible you and your ilk are obsessed with coveting the imaginary approval of our Constitution? That is a good strategy! Don't need to explain or answer for as much. It isn't me that wants this. It is the Constitution! My opponents are against the constitution.

Here is the secret of Ronald Reagan: in economic terms, all he did was lower interest rates and deregulated the junk bond and wall street paper traders. The national debt skyrocketed, but he covered his ass by giving Ron Paul a medal! Here is the secret of Reagan: his speeches generally have nothing to do with his actions, his interviews generally have nothing to do with the questions.

[Roy Pitchford]

Reagan said in his 1964 Time for Choosing speech in support of Barry Goldwater, "They say we offer simple answers to complex problems. Well, perhaps there is a simple answer--not an easy answer--but simple."
There are simple ways to return to the Constitution, but they are far from easy. We can do it because we are the greatest country on Earth, but we must be willing to make some sacrifices along the way.

How are we away from the Constitution? What is unconstitutional?

Many of the violations are against the 10th Amendment, where the Federal government has taken or duplicated responsibilities of the state or city. The Department of Education and the Department of Housing and Urban Development, for example.

Then there's the Commerce Clause. Due to the ruling over the Supreme Court in 1942's Wickard v. Filburn, it was declared that the Federal government could regulate intra-state commerce because it might interfere with inter-state commerce. (For example, the government can regulate my growing of tomatoes in my backyard because if I grow them, I'm NOT buying them from a farmer in California.)

Also, there's the growth in the number of departments (both Cabinet and non-Cabinet level) that are capable of duplicating functions of Congress, in violation of the separation of powers articles of the Constitution.

That's what I can think of right now. I'm sure there's more.

[ryan costa]

Reagan said in his 1964 Time for Choosing speech in support of Barry Goldwater, "They say we offer simple answers to complex problems. Well, perhaps there is a simple answer--not an easy answer--but simple."
There are simple ways to return to the Constitution, but they are far from easy. We can do it because we are the greatest country on Earth, but we must be willing to make some sacrifices along the way.

How are we away from the Constitution? What is unconstitutional?

Many of the violations are against the 10th Amendment, where the Federal government has taken or duplicated responsibilities of the state or city. The Department of Education and the Department of Housing and Urban Development, for example.

Then there's the Commerce Clause. Due to the ruling over the Supreme Court in 1942's Wickard v. Filburn, it was declared that the Federal government could regulate intra-state commerce because it might interfere with inter-state commerce. (For example, the government can regulate my growing of tomatoes in my backyard because if I grow them, I'm NOT buying them from a farmer in California.)

Also, there's the growth in the number of departments (both Cabinet and non-Cabinet level) that are capable of duplicating functions of Congress, in violation of the separation of powers articles of the Constitution.

That's what I can think of right now. I'm sure there's more.

Wickard vs Filburn. That isn't a law. That is a Supreme Court Case. Not legislation. nobody campaigns on overturning Wickard vs Filburn. They campaign on Roe vs Wade.
Are you saying you want to get rid of the USDA? Please, put that on your platform! you might lose the What's the Matter With Kansas type of Republicans.

what about the Booze and the Drugs? I forget if their is an amendment in the Constitution about Booze. Do we want the feds regulating who can make and buy booze?

What about the WTO and NAFTA? they take away the power of voters to vote for legislators who will regulate currency and trade rates in their interests. Who is campaigning on this platform?

The Department of Education. Go ahead. Eliminate it! it seemed like sound Cold War Strategy: America was producing too many dumbasses: Europe and Japan were doing the opposite. it seemed like a good idea at the time.

How about the Center for Disease Control? Being bled to death was good enough for George Washington, and the corner apothecary always at some Laudanum.

The DEA. nothing about drugs in the constitution. is it all make-work?

DARPA, NASA, and the like. all those contracts and grants to Ma Bell and IBM. where would you be without the IT industry? selling used cars? delivering telegrams?

what about NATO? The communists are gone. shouldn't NATO also be gone? put that on your platform.

The interstate highway system. that was built with 90 to 63 percent top tier income rate taxes on the rich. it was mostly finished before you were born. Forget about, and enjoy it!