$100,000,000 New Development!
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$100,000,000 New Development!
If rumors could only be true, a new proposed $100,000,000 dollar economic development
project would let Lakewood shine as a true destination and home!
Standing ovation to designers and developers!
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Now we are talking, lowers taxes for all, responsible sane development!
Positive impact with very little negative impact. Maybe 10 home owners of
old homes that will be happy to take one for the team.
Thank you visionaries.
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project would let Lakewood shine as a true destination and home!
Standing ovation to designers and developers!
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Now we are talking, lowers taxes for all, responsible sane development!
Positive impact with very little negative impact. Maybe 10 home owners of
old homes that will be happy to take one for the team.
Thank you visionaries.
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Jim O'Bryan
Lakewood Resident
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Lakewood Resident
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My bad!
The Clifton Waves - 150 units Starting at $400,000

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The Clifton Waves - 150 units Starting at $400,000

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Jim O'Bryan
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
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If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
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dl meckes
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Re: $100,000,000 New Development!
So, is this an eminent domain situation?
I'm not sure that land is available any other way.
I'm not sure that land is available any other way.
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Corey Rossen
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Re: $100,000,000 New Development!
I'm not sure I like what the waves do to the water and sky around it. It looks like it creates oil spots in the water and a large amount of air pollution - just going by the looks of the picture, of course.
Corey
Corey
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dl meckes wrote:So, is this an eminent domain situation?
I'm not sure that land is available any other way.
DL
As one prominent member of the community who is also a Realtor once told me, "If Lakewood ever really
could establish access to the Lake for everyone. All of our property values would go up by 20%."
So the only way I could see it work is for the city to grab the land as a city park. This is 100% legal use
of eminent domain. Parks, Schools, Hospitals, public access. This would instantly make Lakewood a better
more exclusive community. Right now when you buy in LAKEwood you have no access to the lake.
Which is just crazy. I have to think with the number of people screaming about property values, and
making Lakewood better, and the need for higher taxes, this becomes a no brainer. We all took a hit for
front yard trash pick-up. Certainly a few can take one for the team, as they had asked so many to do before
and put their money where their mouth is.
Then after the park is established, Lakewood could lease the river side of the property to these developers.
I think these apartments would tie in nicely with the Foran Group's Cliffs.You have to
agree that it would take this severely underused piece of property and breath new life into
it and the city. Like Rocky River Park, and Cahoon Park.
Lakewood needs to cash in on our waterfront, that is what makes us different. Let's see
Crocker Park do "Great Lakes living" on 10% of the world's fresh water Let's see
Parma, Cleveland Hts., Beechwood, Solon copy this!
Corey
In the future, we will need to deal with pollution. Please notice how clean it is around the
complex. Clean healthy living on the lake, that raises all of our property values by 20%,
and helps us to cut our taxes.
Real economic development, that is responsible, and positive.
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Jim O'Bryan
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
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sharon kinsella
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Re: $100,000,000 New Development!
Why would people live in a roller coaster?
"When I dare to be powerful -- to use my strength in the service of my vision, then it becomes less and less important whether I am afraid." - Audre Lorde
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Bill Trentel
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Re: $100,000,000 New Development!
Mr. O'Bryan,
Check your calendar, your more than a week late for April fools day.
Bill
Check your calendar, your more than a week late for April fools day.
Bill
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Corey Rossen
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Jim, I just like the camera lens you use that already projected pollution into the lake and sky. Good thing you don't take pictures of food with that same lens.
Corey
Corey
Corey Rossen
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"I am not neutral." ~Jim O'Bryan
"I am not here to stir up anything." ~Jim O'Bryan
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"I am not neutral." ~Jim O'Bryan
"I am not here to stir up anything." ~Jim O'Bryan
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Re: $100,000,000 New Development!
Bill Trentel wrote:Mr. O'Bryan,
Check your calendar, your more than a week late for April fools day.
Bill
Bill
Alas, no calendar or watch for that matter.
Not so much as an April Fools prank as much as a chance to consider other possibilities in
how all of us as residents could help and work together to make the city more solvent and better for all.
It is always nice to do a gut check and think, and allow all to consider what they
could do to help.
So often members of various committees are too close to possible solutions that
it is hard for them to see them.
Corey
That is a "add pollution" filter for the camera not a complete lens.
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Jim O'Bryan
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
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Christopher Bindel
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That is one of the ugliest damn developments I have ever seen.
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Donald Farris
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Hi,
Jim as you know our family has seen the waste created by attempted eminent domain abuse. Regardless if its legal in the case you mention here, it is morally wrong.
Savannah felt Lakewood did not need to cannibalize itself to get new development, it just needs to be more creative. That was one reason for the peninsula. While other towns can indeed become built out, Lakewood can grow by creating land out into the Lake which would add without taking away. Cleveland, New York City and Boston have done this many many years ago.
The sad aspect of her vision is it would take longer that a couple of years, and politicians, even local ones, have trouble seeing farther than an election into the future. Maybe a Leader will step up yet to champion this.
Jim as you know our family has seen the waste created by attempted eminent domain abuse. Regardless if its legal in the case you mention here, it is morally wrong.
Savannah felt Lakewood did not need to cannibalize itself to get new development, it just needs to be more creative. That was one reason for the peninsula. While other towns can indeed become built out, Lakewood can grow by creating land out into the Lake which would add without taking away. Cleveland, New York City and Boston have done this many many years ago.
The sad aspect of her vision is it would take longer that a couple of years, and politicians, even local ones, have trouble seeing farther than an election into the future. Maybe a Leader will step up yet to champion this.
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Roy Pitchford
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Where are the wind turbines for power?
What about grass on the roof to promote CO2 scrubbing?
Is it at all green?
What about grass on the roof to promote CO2 scrubbing?
Is it at all green?

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Wow--- talk about an architect with an ugly stick
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Donald Farris wrote:Hi,
Jim as you know our family has seen the waste created by attempted eminent domain abuse. Regardless if its legal in the case you mention here, it is morally wrong.
Savannah felt Lakewood did not need to cannibalize itself to get new development, it just needs to be more creative. That was one reason for the peninsula. While other towns can indeed become built out, Lakewood can grow by creating land out into the Lake which would add without taking away. Cleveland, New York City and Boston have done this many many years ago.
The sad aspect of her vision is it would take longer that a couple of years, and politicians, even local ones, have trouble seeing farther than an election into the future. Maybe a Leader will step up yet to champion this.
Don
While there is no doubt in my mind that waste and illegal use of eminent domain is
morally wrong, and should be stopped at all costs. Where you and I differ, and I could
go into the questions I have asked you in the past, that in some extreme circumstances
it is needed. While even legal use of eminent domain is abuse, as Bill Call makes a valid
point of I-90 and other uses that actually devalue a community. In my many lunches with
Mary Anne Crampton and Jay Foran, they were able to help me understand that it is still a
tool, and a tool that has every right being in our tool box and could be used when it
benefits a community on the whole so much as to actually turn the city around. I would
have to say using it to secure the park at Clifton Beach is not only proper use, but it would
benefit Lakewood so much, I cannot believe that even they would not get behind it being
used here. I mean a 20% rise in property values across the board in Lakewood is better
than a 20% rise in taxes without the added value correct?
To me when we look at developments in a built out city we have a very complicated
formula of how do we guarantee what we put there is more valuable than what we took
down, and how can we do it while affecting the fewest number of residents. The single
best example of the biggest band for the least intrusion would have to be the Gold Coast.
The properties are worth hundreds of times more, than they would be as big stately
homes, and we even have larger income families living in those condos than ever lived in
the old big homes. This you would think would be a clue of some sort to those looking at
our future.
The gold coast has had zero negative impact in the city. The homes next have gone up in
value at nearly the same rate as home blocks away. So we could tear down 25-50 doubles
and increase property values maybe 5 times, while losing maybe 100 citizens and their
buying power, or we could tear down ten homes on the lake and increase that property
value maybe 25 times, bring in 200 well paid taxable families and increase the buying
power and tax base in Lakewood 100 times more. Is not one of our biggest problems
loss of families and their taxes and buying power? Or is it not enough burger places?
I would say the single biggest set back in looking at any of this is that most committees
that are looking to the future of Lakewood or looking for solutions have a large number of
people living on the lake or on the very land the city should be using to cash in big on our
coast line. It is time that like eminent domain we place everything on the table and see
first hand what could offer all citizens the biggest bang for the least amount of disturbances.
For all we know, as the Grow Lakewood Committee pointed out, that housing and offices
could be our future, and that it is certainly not more retail.
As for the land the high end condos would be built on of course that would have to be
purchased as it is being secured for private use.
It is time Lakewood went back to what has been proven to work 100% of the time.
Development on the lake. Just because a few will not consider the peninsula, does not
mean that our lakefront should not be developed for the betterment of the entire city.
If I were to consider running for mayor again, it would be on a platform of safe and clean
FOR REAL, stronger larger police force, transparency and accessability of government,
strong effort in housing stock, and the development and GREEN development of the
Lakefront for all. Of course no time while running the paper for higher office.
FWIW
Roy
Sorry no windmills, I do believe that when the technology really works, power companies
can apply rent the land and put them up. In 2010 windmills like regionalism, makes little
sense to us, the tax payers. I do believe he carbon footprint to make them is still larger
than anything they recoup in the first 5 years, which is when they start breaking down and
need more parts and create a larger carbon footprint again.
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Jim O'Bryan
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
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Bill Call
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Re: $100,000,000 New Development!
Jim O'Bryan wrote:As one prominent member of the community who is also a Realtor once told me, "If Lakewood ever really
could establish access to the Lake for everyone. All of our property values would go up by 20%."
That's a bit of a streach. The West 65th area of Cleveland has access to boat docks and beach and despite a huge government investment the area is struggling. How many people use Edgewater Park?
Would another condo on the Lake really enhance the value of that house on Clifton? Would opening up Clifton Beach to thousand of people really enhance the value of property in Clifton Park? I think the location is a bridge to far. On the other hand the idea has merit.
I think there is a better opportunity for recreational development on the lakefront at Lakewood Park.
The Army Corps of Engineers has informed the Clevealnd Port Authority that the port needs a new dredging site. Why not locate that site off the shore of Lakewood to provide a protected harbor and beach with access through Lakewood Park?
http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2010/04/post_264.html
http://www.lrd.usace.army.mil/navigatio ... anagement/
Of course we would need to have someone at the County level speaking for the interests of Lakewood. Since that won't be Dale Miller perhaps it can be Jim O'Bryan.
Run Jim, Run!!!