Iraq's billions

[Stephen Eisel]

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[Stephen Eisel]

http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/ ... _prof.html

Rep. James Walsh lashed out Thursday at Iraq, saying its government should repay some of the $48 billion the United States has spent rebuilding the war-ravaged nation.

Walsh, R-Onondaga, made his comments after a report requested by Congress found that Iraq has an unspent windfall from oil sales that could total $79 billion by the end of the year.

At least $10 billion of the surplus Iraqi money is earning interest in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, according to the report from the federal Government Accountability Office. Download the full report (PDF)

maybe we can also get Iraq to for the bailout??? What is a couple billion barrels of oil among friends..

[Jim O'Bryan]

At least $10 billion of the surplus Iraqi money is earning interest in the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, according to the report from the federal Government Accountability Office. Download the full report (PDF)

maybe we can also get Iraq to for the bailout??? What is a couple billion barrels of oil among friends..[/quote]

Stephen

No, we were promised it would pay for the war.

But that would not be right. When the drunk falls through the stereo at the party, it is best for the drunk that broke the stereo to pay for the stereo. However, it was given as one of the hundres of lies to rush us to war.

I would be happy to just get a peace of all of the missing billions for the USA. Missing money, gold, oil, cost over runs, etc.


FWIW

[Stephen Eisel]

If the Iraqis want us out then it is time....

[Jim O'Bryan]

If the Iraqis want us out then it is time....

Stephen

Again,

Everyone wants the drunk ass out of the party after he has broken everything.

But who pays the bill.

I would hate to think this administration spent nearly $2 trillion of borrowed money on a bad Nyquil* High, and all we got was another bill for a broken country.


FWIW

* Rumors have swirled since the third month of this administration that GWB has a reoccurring cough that he takes Nyquil for.



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[Stephen Eisel]

Jim, do not worry... Nancy Pelosi will fix everything... Do you remember her pre midterm election promise from 2006? elect us as the majority and we will fix gas prices and end the war in Iraq C'mon the Dems told us in 2003 that Fanny and Freddie were a ok..

[ryan costa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csKkdKlL ... re=related

Here is Richard Cheney explaining why the U.S. didn't roll over Iraq in the first Gulf War. It was taped in 1994.

What changed since then? The principle change was that FOX News was launched in 1996. FOX NEWS systematically lowers intelligence.

[Stephen Eisel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csKkdKlLUTc&feature=related

Here is Richard Cheney explaining why the U.S. didn't roll over Iraq in the first Gulf War. It was taped in 1994.

What changed since then? The principle change was that FOX News was launched in 1996. FOX NEWS systematically lowers intelligence.

What changed? The number of UN Resolutions

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/ ... sect2.html

UNSCR 949 - October 15, 1994



"Condemns" Iraq's recent military deployments toward Kuwait.


Iraq must not utilize its military or other forces in a hostile manner to threaten its neighbors or UN operations in Iraq.


Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors.


Iraq must not enhance its military capability in southern Iraq.


UNSCR 1051 - March 27, 1996



Iraq must report shipments of dual-use items related to weapons of mass destruction to the UN and IAEA.


Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.


UNSCR 1060 - June 12, 1996



"Deplores" Iraq's refusal to allow access to UN inspectors and Iraq's "clear violations" of previous UN resolutions.


Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.


UNSCR 1115 - June 21, 1997



"Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to UN inspectors, which constitutes a "clear and flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.


Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.


Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom UN inspectors want to interview.


UNSCR 1134 - October 23, 1997



"Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to UN inspectors, which constitutes a "flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.


Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.


Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom UN inspectors want to interview.


UNSCR 1137 - November 12, 1997



"Condemns the continued violations by Iraq" of previous UN resolutions, including its "implicit threat to the safety of" aircraft operated by UN inspectors and its tampering with UN inspector monitoring equipment.


Reaffirms Iraq's responsibility to ensure the safety of UN inspectors.


Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.


UNSCR 1154 - March 2, 1998



Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access, and notes that any violation would have the "severest consequences for Iraq."


UNSCR 1194 - September 9, 1998



"Condemns the decision by Iraq of 5 August 1998 to suspend cooperation with" UN and IAEA inspectors, which constitutes "a totally unacceptable contravention" of its obligations under UNSCR 687, 707, 715, 1060, 1115, and 1154.


Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA weapons inspectors, and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.


UNSCR 1205 - November 5, 1998



"Condemns the decision by Iraq of 31 October 1998 to cease cooperation" with UN inspectors as "a flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687 and other resolutions.


Iraq must provide "immediate, complete and unconditional cooperation" with UN and IAEA inspectors.


UNSCR 1284 - December 17, 1999



Created the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspections Commission (UNMOVIC) to replace previous weapon inspection team (UNSCOM).


Iraq must allow UNMOVIC "immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access" to Iraqi officials and facilities.

[ryan costa]

that is all political dickering that doesn't really matter.

in 1994 Cheney was absolutely correct and honest in explaining why the U.S. didn't invade Iraq and topple its administration.

All of the charges you listed could have been satisfied by launching a few missiles or bombs against a few token targets in Iraq. Operation: Make us Feel Better. because the weight of the threat of those charges represented was small.

The cost of invading IRaq has been large. we're in it for 2 or 3 trillion dollars. it hasn't done the Iraqis much good: there is more violence there now than anything the Saddam Hussein administration managed to dish out on their own people. complete collapse of safety, reliable electricity, water and water treatment services, two million refugees in Syria and jordan. Operation: Train Wreck. Operation: fiasco. Operation: Big Dig-In. Operation: enduring quagmire. Operation: good contracting jobs. Operation: Al Queda is now much more popular in Iraq than it ever was. Some progress will inevitably be made from such a complete collapse and so much american funding and professionalism poured in. Only 3 trillion dollars!

Nine Eleven! A Saudi Oil Millionaire can sponsor radio commercials proclaiming his loyalty to U.S. interests. His son gets his allowance check and uses the summer break from attending Harvard or Yale to rent a light cargo plane, load it up with explosives, and fly it into any particular target. Or they make a road trip of it. just rent a van, build some timer activated explosives, sling them over the fence of a few dozen electrical substations or high way exit ramps in the DC metro area or Atlanta Georgia metro area or the NYC metro area and engineer massive regional blackouts or traffic jams. Nothing 3 trillion dollars spent in Iraq can do about that.

I hear we import more oil from Nigeria. Nigeria is a chaotic, corrupt, violence strewn place. Start collecting UN resolutions and sanctions. It is full of swamps and forests. start stockpiling Napalm and Agent Orange.

[Stephen Eisel]

that is all political dickering that doesn't really matter.

in 1994 Cheney was absolutely correct and honest in explaining why the U.S. didn't invade Iraq and topple its administration.

Iraq's terms of surrender were just political dickerings. nevermind what lead up to the "political dickering"... The invasion of Kuwait by Iraq and the slaughter of a 100,000 innocent Kurds..


just more political dickering... nothing changed after 1994

Clinton, Dec. 19, 1998: "Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. ... Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. ... Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons."

Clinton: "Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq. ... I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again."

Clinton: "The decision to use force is never cost-free. Whenever American forces are placed in harm's way, we risk the loss of life. And while our strikes are focused on Iraq's military capabilities, there will be unintended Iraqi casualties. ... Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors. He will make war on his own people. ... But once more, the United States has proven that although we are never eager to use force, when we must act in America's vital interests, we will do so."

[ryan costa]

that is all political dickering that doesn't really matter.

in 1994 Cheney was absolutely correct and honest in explaining why the U.S. didn't invade Iraq and topple its administration.

Iraq's terms of surrender were just political dickerings. nevermind what lead up to the "political dickering"... The invasion of Kuwait by Iraq and the slaughter of a 100,000 innocent Kurds..


just more political dickering... nothing changed after 1994

Clinton, Dec. 19, 1998: "Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. ... Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. ... Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons."

Clinton: "Other countries possess weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles. With Saddam, there is one big difference: He has used them. Not once, but repeatedly. Unleashing chemical weapons against Iranian troops during a decade-long war. Not only against soldiers, but against civilians, firing Scud missiles at the citizens of Israel, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Iran. And not only against a foreign enemy, but even against his own people, gassing Kurdish civilians in Northern Iraq. ... I have no doubt today, that left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will use these terrible weapons again."

Clinton: "The decision to use force is never cost-free. Whenever American forces are placed in harm's way, we risk the loss of life. And while our strikes are focused on Iraq's military capabilities, there will be unintended Iraqi casualties. ... Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction. If Saddam defies the world and we fail to respond, we will face a far greater threat in the future. Saddam will strike again at his neighbors. He will make war on his own people. ... But once more, the United States has proven that although we are never eager to use force, when we must act in America's vital interests, we will do so."

the U.S. and the other middle eastern nations supported Saddam Hussein against Iran. Iran massively outnumbered Iraq and had better armaments from the decades in which the U.S. had supported the SHAH of Iran(the SHAH was like a bigger more corrupt Saddam Hussein.).

Iraq's invasion of Kuwait could have been averted by intelligent diplomacy: the Hussein administration practically asked the U.S. for permission beforehand, and did not receive a solid No. Maybe if saddam had gone to the same colleges and joined the same college fraternities as our own leaders and diplomats they would have spoken the same cant of policy and negotiations.

Anything Iraq did before the end of the first Gulf War should have become a non-issue when drumming up reasons for the second Iraq war. Even if it is relevant, we have since proven Iraqis are more likely to be killed by sectarian violence in Iraq than gas attacked by Saddam Hussein in the 1980s.

President Clinton's administration did not invade Iraq and topple nearly every aspect of its government. whatever Clinton did or didn't do or say doesn't justify or excuse whatever Bush-Cheney do or do not do.

the lesson of 9/11 is that weapons of mass destruction don't matter. the lesson of afghanistan is that superior air strike power doesn't help in terms of internal security, nation building, gaining popular support, or policing.

[Stephen Eisel]

The cost of invading IRaq has been large. we're in it for 2 or 3 trillion dollars. it hasn't done the Iraqis much good: there is more violence there now than anything the Saddam Hussein administration managed to dish out on their own people. complete collapse of safety, reliable electricity, water and water treatment services, two million refugees in Syria and jordan. Operation: Train Wreck. Operation: fiasco.

You should throw out those old newspapers and start reading the current ones..

[Stephen Eisel]

the U.S. and the other middle eastern nations supported Saddam Hussein against Iran. Iran massively outnumbered Iraq and had better armaments from the decades in which the U.S. had supported the SHAH of Iran(the SHAH was like a bigger more corrupt Saddam Hussein.).

Are you changing the subject? We were talking about 1994 / forward.

[Stephen Eisel]

President Clinton's administration did not invade Iraq and topple nearly every aspect of its government. whatever Clinton did or didn't do or say doesn't justify or excuse whatever Bush-Cheney do or do not do.

Clinton took military action against Iraq and also developed an invasion plan for Iraq... Again, I am just poitning out what changed after 1994..