Barack Obama And The Return Of Slavery

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:32 pm

In 2 years this president and congress will have the chance to right a couple wrongs, and if they choose not to, then and only then will they be complicit. Much like GWB being complicit in Fannie, Freddy, the meltdown, the deficit etc.

Bush proposed a new agency to oversee Freddie and Fannie but the Dems blocked it at a committe level (watch the video and listen to the Dems lie)

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:43 pm

Ed Dickson wrote:......but, Youtube is such a credible source!

Give me one specific thing in the video that is not credible...

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:49 pm

sharon kinsella wrote:Stephen - First of all, do not even allude to the ef word on the deck. Bad taste, lack of judgement.

Second - The managers have failed, man up dude. Your people lost. Your people messed up.

Third - Man up.

Which, in case you haven't picked up on it and can't figure it out on your own "man up" is a sexist use of language and you need to re-think your use of the English language and consistent dependency on YouTube to illustrate your rants..

Why do I have to follow your standards on this board?

PS Are you saying that JOB is a woman?

sharon kinsella · Post by **sharon kinsella** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:53 pm

Not mine - just remember the audience that reads this. That language is out of line for a community board. Obviously you don't know that. Oh and I have a mouth like a truck driver so believe me I edit myself.

I wasn't referring to anyone specifically, that phrase, though, is sexist. It's the 2000's not the 70's, remember.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 4:56 pm

I wasn't referring to anyone specifically, that phrase, though, is sexist. It's the 2000's not the 70's, remember

The PC police live!

Phil Florian · Post by **Phil Florian** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 5:44 pm

Stephen Eisel wrote:
In 2 years this president and congress will have the chance to right a couple wrongs, and if they choose not to, then and only then will they be complicit. Much like GWB being complicit in Fannie, Freddy, the meltdown, the deficit etc.
Bush proposed a new agency to oversee Freddie and Fannie but the Dems blocked it at a committe level (watch the video and listen to the Dems lie)

Wow, you mean it was the Democrats that had to take a stand against larger government, expanded spending and more regulation. What a world, what a world. :-D

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 5:57 pm

Phil Florian wrote:
Stephen Eisel wrote:
In 2 years this president and congress will have the chance to right a couple wrongs, and if they choose not to, then and only then will they be complicit. Much like GWB being complicit in Fannie, Freddy, the meltdown, the deficit etc.
Bush proposed a new agency to oversee Freddie and Fannie but the Dems blocked it at a committe level (watch the video and listen to the Dems lie)

Wow, you mean it was the Democrats that had to take a stand against larger government, expanded spending and more regulation. What a world, what a world.

Phil, Thank God the Dems stopped the Republicans... The Dems were right... There was absolutely nothing wrong with Fannie and Freddie.. :shock:

Ed Dickson · Post by **Ed Dickson** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:39 pm

OK. It's a video that is pieced together for the sole purpose of making a republican point. Not much different than listening to anything Rush Limbaugh has to say. It has an agenda instead of being nuetral. That alone makes it lose credibility in my eyes.
Stephen, constantly pointing fingers and saying "they did it" won't solve a damn thing. Both republicans and democrats have had a hand in the situation this country is in and it's all the finger pointing that keeps anything from getting done.

.......just sayin'.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 6:42 pm

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Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:14 pm

Ed Dickson wrote:OK. It's a video that is pieced together for the sole purpose of making a republican point. Not much different than listening to anything Rush Limbaugh has to say. It has an agenda instead of being nuetral. That alone makes it lose credibility in my eyes.
Stephen, constantly pointing fingers and saying "they did it" won't solve a damn thing. Both republicans and democrats have had a hand in the situation this country is in and it's all the finger pointing that keeps anything from getting done.

.......just sayin'.

Ed, It is not just a pieced together video. It is video excerpt from the House Financial Services Committee meeting where Republicans called for a regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry. The Dems rhetoric at this meeting speaks for itself. Democrats blocked Republicnan's efforts to overhaul Fannie and Freddie a total of 18 times between 2001 and 2008.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Fri Nov 14, 2008 7:26 pm

Both republicans and democrats have had a hand in the situation this country

Agreed.... 70 (D) -30(R) :wink:

Stephen, constantly pointing fingers and saying "they did it

No, I was responding to a statement made by JOB in this thread.

JOB wrote: In 2 years this president and congress will have the chance to right a couple wrongs, and if they choose not to, then and only then will they be complicit. Much like GWB being complicit in Fannie, Freddy, the meltdown, the deficit etc.

PS Republicans need to grow a spine and become more militant...

Phil Florian · Post by **Phil Florian** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:38 am

Stephen Eisel wrote:PS Republicans need to grow a spine and become more militant...

Is that a threat?

Or just an ironic misstatement since it seems to be that the Republicans are militant enough. Lockstep, if you will. That is why they lost this time. They picked a militant stance on too few issues that resonated any more with the bulk of the electorate. You are looking at landslide territory if the party gets any more rigid. They are going to have to leave the pro-lifers, anti-gayers, and Bible-only-ers to the sidelines in the next election if they want to win more seats in the Congress. Those issues appeal strongly to the older members of the party but from what the last election showed that the Republican party is ripe for some "returning to their roots." They are far from the Party of Lincoln, that is for sure. You can only be the "anti-" party for so long before you realize you "anti-ed" everyone out. Heck, the 90's had even strong "Log Cabin Republicans" because at the time the party wasn't nearly as concerned with gay rights issues as they are today. I can't imagine gatherings of this group now. What would they talk about? How much their chosen party hates them? Sheesh.

Yeah, for the sake of continued Democrat majority please become more militant.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 1:33 pm

Is that a threat? Or just an ironic misstatement since it seems to be that the Republicans are militant enough. Lockstep, if you will. That is why they lost this time. They picked a militant stance on too few issues that resonated any more with the bulk of the electorate.

The republican party is a joke when it comes to organizing protest and supporting it's causes. The Republicn party needs to become more militant and push its supporters to also become more militant.

PS A lot of conservatives stayed home on November 5th

ryan costa · Post by **ryan costa** » Sat Nov 15, 2008 2:57 pm

Bill Call wrote:Obama has quietly removed the "mandatory" from his proposed National Service Plan. I suspect that he would still like to enact some form of indentured servitude but realizes the time is not yet ripe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0B7dOQwKm0

Welcome to the Obamanation!

He doesn't seem to be re-activating the draft and shipping draftees out to vietnam or Myanmar or Ceylon or Afghanistan.

neo-conservatives love the 1950s and 1940s. progressive taxes, corporate taxes, and capital gains taxes were much higher then. Union membership was much higher then. international trade was much lower then. and there was a lot less tv.

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