Is ACORN Flap Pre-emptive?

[Charlie Page]

Sharon – The link you posted is for ‘campaign management software’. Obama paid ACORN 832,000 for ‘get out the vote’ projects. ACORN is not a software vendor, unless I’m missing something here?

[sharon kinsella]

That is the company you were talking about - they work with ACORN and I think there programming grew out of work with ACORN - If you look at what the software package does it makes sense.

[sharon kinsella]

Citizens Services Inc. they have more than one office.

[Charlie Page]

It's not the same company. If you scroll to the bottom of the link, the company's name and address is:

Trail Blazer Campaign Services, Inc.
5115 Excelsior Blvd, #103
Minneapolis, MN 55416-2906

[sharon kinsella]

Here's the updated factcheck link. I think this whole thing is a red herring. They've done canvass management. Rally and appearance services i.e. sound and stage managment and equipment coordination. All the little pieces that campaigns hire contracters for. McCain's campaign does the same thing.

You know those robo calls? A company was hired to do that.


http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... tions.html

[Danielle Masters]

http://site.pfaw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ads_fraud

[Charlie Page]

ACORN is, at the very minimum, subverting the voter registration process in numerous states by inundating election officials with bogus registrations. Their actions are delaying, if not grinding to a halt, the registration of legitimate voters and have greatly added to the cost of the election process as election officials are forced to spend hundreds of hours investigating fraudulent voting applications that ACORN has submitted across the nation.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/grou ... grpid=6968

[Brian Pedaci]

What's the agenda there, Charlie? What's the nefarious goal accomplished by clogging up the system with all these 'bogus' registrations? Do you categorize that effect as intentional or unintentional? Isn't the most logical goal of ACORN to submit 100% legitimate registrations?

Again, this was fraud perpetrated ON ACORN by dishonest employees, not BY ACORN.

Many of the duplicate, obviously bogus, or otherwise unverifiable registrations were flagged as such by ACORN in advance of submission to the various boards of election. These 'bad' registrations must be submitted by law. It's up to each BoE to decide what to do with them after that.

There's no doubt that the practice of paying people to register voters, and paying them contingent on a quota of received registrations contributed to the problem. It set them up for failure. It's a practice that should be discontinued.

But I've yet to see even a shred of proof that there's a grand evil conspiracy behind the entire scheme, beyond fever-dream paranoid imaginings and circumstantial evidence that requires you to make impossible leaps of logic.

[sharon kinsella]

Charlie - Truly, you think that David Horowitz is a reliable, balanced reporter or theorist.

He's a red diaper baby gone bad. He's an attention whore, no more, no less that Camille Paglia.

Try again.

[Brian Pedaci]

I'm frankly sick of people dismissing arguments because of where they originate. It's simply not enough to call Horowitz names - he may be all the things you say and still make a decent argument. Tear down the argument, not the arguer, please.

Now, here's another piece of interesting news.

McCain spent $175,000 on a voter-registration drive spearheaded by a man accused of much worse than ACORN has:
- illegally shredding voter registration forms if they're not registered Republican
- fired workers who brought back Democratic registrations
- paid bonuses on a per-registration basis for Republican, undecided or Nader registrations. (Why Nader? Remember that the RNC actively supported Nader's campaign in 2004 to try and split the vote).

As Republican Congressman Chris Cannon summarized during a joint hearing for the subcommittee on commercial and administrative law back in May 2008: "The difference between ACORN and Sproul is that ACORN doesn't throw away or change registration documents after they have been filled out."

Another vote-registration fraud case in CA recently led to an arrest.

So let's not pretend there's any moral high ground on either side here.

[sharon kinsella]

I'm frankly sick of people dissing me and what I say because they don't like me.

I will never believe anything that Fox news say, any of the newsletter sources that are from conservative sources, just like I don't post from my leftie news sources. Post something from a non- partisan source - not an unreasonable request.


Do a little research on Horowitz before you dismiss me. I did before I dismissed what Charlie had to say.

I showed Charlie respect. You showed me disdain.

What do you think that says about you?

[sharon kinsella]

You're first post is from Huffington Post - which I read every day and Brad is a writer for Huffington Post.

I'm a very radical democrat but I seriously would not use those sources to put forth my argument in order to convince a conservative.

Just not sensible.

[Charlie Page]

My agenda? No agenda other than to show that all things evil don’t come only from the right. It seems, to me anyway, the Deck population is heavily leaning to the left. How about some balance?

ACORN has submitted thousands of bogus voter registrations in multiple states in past elections. This is not isolated to this election or to one state. A reasonable person would think they would change their voter registration procedures in an attempt to minimize the number of these occurrences. Would you agree? Yet they have not changed.

I can’t speak to what their goal is by clogging the system with bogus registrations, or even if that is a goal. I can only see the result which is frustrating the election process. It is the BoE’s decision what to do with these bogus registrations. If they choose to toss them and one person who thought they were registered but isn’t can’t vote, that BoE will be crucified. Therefore, they have to investigate resulting in a huge waste of time and money.

As a taxpayer, I care where and how my tax dollars are used. ACORN receives millions of funding from our government. I’d like to see that my tax dollars are used wisely and this is not wise use of our money.

That is interesting news. If Lincoln Strategies has, in fact, perpetrated voter registration fraud, I’d like to see them hung out to dry with those ACORN people as well. Equal justice!

[sharon kinsella]

Apparently it's true. I found a site owned by the Wall Street Journal.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/d ... &dist=hppr

[Brian Pedaci]

Sharon, I know exactly who David Horowitz is and some of the nutball theories he espouses.

My point is that even a blind squirrel can find an ACORN every now and then...