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Mark Moran · Post by **Mark Moran** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:39 pm

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/09/30/palin_pity/?

Still, I think Palin is going to make a "comeback." The performance bar is now lying on the ground for her, and Biden is brilliant and competent but a blowhard and he'll either say something stupid and weird or act nasty toher.

sharon kinsella · Post by **sharon kinsella** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:23 pm

It's gone Mark just like half the stuff about her - talk about police state.

jennifer scott · Post by **jennifer scott** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:16 pm

Well gosh, good thing we can still find EVERYTHING Obama related! :roll:

sharon kinsella · Post by **sharon kinsella** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:21 pm

Yes it is.

Jennifer - At least 20 you tube videos that I know of have disappeared in the last couple of weeks.

I know, I'm an unreliable liar to certain members of a certain political party but they have.

Of course I'm probably lying.

Because that's what I do.

What do you all have a bomb squadron for me? You're the fourth wave. Who's next?

Send them in.

I've taken on Bret, Stephen, Ryan and Colleen, but I might just be mentally ill you know.

Jeff Dreger · Post by **Jeff Dreger** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:23 pm

I got in but only after a second attempt... at first it directed me to a login screen

jennifer scott · Post by **jennifer scott** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:26 pm

Sharon, I did not, nor would I ever call you a liar or any other derogatory word. You do not know me well but, I would hope you would at least know that about me.

sharon kinsella · Post by **sharon kinsella** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:27 pm

I would hope so, I thought I did - but look at what's been going on on the board Jennifer.

Check the thread about Palin being a maverick and you will know what I'm talking about.

Jeff Dreger · Post by **Jeff Dreger** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:29 pm

from the article:

Conservative women like Kathleen Parker and Kathryn Jean Lopez are shuddering with sympathy as they realize that the candidate who thrilled them, just weeks ago, is not in shape for the big game.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MD ... UxZDkwNTE=

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OT ... A5Nzk3MWM=

jennifer scott · Post by **jennifer scott** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:33 pm

Sharon,
I do read and I do not like much of any of it. I had to gently remind a good friend just today that we are on opposite sides of the fence and that they should be a bit less offensive when speaking about what I stand for. In other words...RESPECTFULLY agree to disagree. I know people on this deck do not care for me or what I believe in. Oh well! :roll:

I did not mean to upset you. Sorry.

sharon kinsella · Post by **sharon kinsella** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 7:39 pm

It's okay and I did treat you like some others were treating me and I honestly shouldn't have. I do actually have some Republican friends and we just agree that we think differently. Things do get rather sketchy on here though.

I also have to say, that I went into the article through an email I had earlier and it's there, so maybe it was just the link Mark put it.

It did mystify me because I really didn't see Salon being the type of place that would censor a post.

Again - you me - cool. Me some others - not so hot.

stephen davis · Post by **stephen davis** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 8:35 pm

jennifer scott wrote:...they should be a bit less offensive when speaking about what I stand for.

Jennifer,

Are they offensive, or are you just offended?

Is what you stand for offensive to them?

If they know what you stand for, should they shut up?

I don't really want answers. I wasn't even thinking about you while I read your post. What you said made me ask those questions in my head. For some reason I typed them here. I figure that now you will be offended, but that was not my intent.

Steve

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Mark Moran · Post by **Mark Moran** » Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:52 pm

I have to confess Ive lost the thread of this conversation. The salon post is there for anyone to read, on my post or on salon.

Look, I dont know how anyone, right left or center can disagree: the choice of Palin for VP to a guy who is 72 with four cancers is a piece of degrading political theater. Oh, her family! Oh, her values! Oh, her child with down's syndrome! Oh, how normal and just-like-us she is! And look!--she drops her g's at the end of gerunds!

Good god! Wake up, for crissakes! This isnt about Palin--she's a cipher and she's been used as a symbol and a prop, and even if she acquits herself minimally well for the rest of the campaign she's probably going nowhere but back to Wasilla. Its about McCain, his judgement, and the descent of the Republican party to the lowest common demoninator. Why do we celebrate mediocrity in politics???

Jim O'Bryan · Post by **Jim O'Bryan** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 7:12 am

Mark Moran wrote:I have to confess Ive lost the thread of this conversation. The salon post is there for anyone to read, on my post or on salon.

Look, I dont know how anyone, right left or center can disagree: the choice of Palin for VP to a guy who is 72 with four cancers is a piece of degrading political theater. Oh, her family! Oh, her values! Oh, her child with down's syndrome! Oh, how normal and just-like-us she is! And look!--she drops her g's at the end of gerunds!

Good god! Wake up, for crissakes! This isnt about Palin--she's a cipher and she's been used as a symbol and a prop, and even if she acquits herself minimally well for the rest of the campaign she's probably going nowhere but back to Wasilla. Its about McCain, his judgement, and the descent of the Republican party to the lowest common demoninator. Why do we celebrate mediocrity in politics???

Mark

I think she either rolls over the bar, which as low as any I have seen, or they move to replace her, by some means.

As for the rest of this thread, and participants.

I believe what Jennifer, Ryan(through PMs) and others are speaking of is, the heat that I and others bring to the disbelief of support(I had found myself using blind support) for GWB, and now the new ever changing CHANGE machine called John McCain.

While on one hand I am always sorry to paint with such a broad brush such as Rs. How else does one express themselves, when 90% of America, including the Administration point to how faux the reason for war was, and the lies are unearthed, and a ever growing small percentage think the war was just and winnable?

Examples, The economy(sound when it was obviously not), unemployment(only 4.6%, no that is the amount collecting unemployment with no connection to the real numbers), and on and on.

While I am sorry for bringing the heat in forms of disbelief, I cannot help but be totally disillusioned for where this country has gone in 8 short years. Or crazed when someone tells me it is better

I am thinking of sponsoring a movie night for "The Trials Of Henry Kissinger" the documentary based on the Christopher Hitchins book of the same name. It is a very stark, real look at the Vietnam war, and the players, and just how perverted the entire system is, and how one person can take all of us down the wrong road. The movie speaks with all the players, and you can judge from their words and actions, without the spin.

I cannot believe that we have already forgotten, the Peublo Incident NEVER HAPPENED! The cause of the Vietnam War. Or even more recently no babies were ripped from incubators and thrown to the ground in Kuwait(Gulf War 1), The line that pushed democrats to vote for Gulf War 1. Or that Bill Clinton bombed a baby food factory to get America off the Lewinski news story.

What I always think many forget is that they are all human. They all make mistakes, they all have personal agendas, they all have bills to pay, they all have the same strengths and weaknesses we all do. And there lies the problem.

If one man, can murder 30,000 Americans, just to sleep with Jill St.John(over simplification), they are all capable of things equally as hideous.

All I ask the people that think I am over the top, mostly friends on the right, is imagine Bill Clinton doing what this administration is doing, and tell me to my face you would not be outraged.

Besides ask Hoffert, there is only one party, and it no longer represents us, the citizens of America.

FWIW

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Mark Moran · Post by **Mark Moran** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 10:33 am

Its absolutely disgraceful. The president has no authority. We are in an endless war at $10 billion a month. Wall Street is in shambles. Several millions baby boomers are about to retire initiating an entitlement Tsunami. We are threatened by fascist religious freaks who can build a nuke in a garage.

AND PEOPLE ARE CHEERING FOR A WOMAN WHO WENT TO SIX DIFFERENT COLLEGES IN FIVE YEARS AND GRADUATED WITH A MAJOR IN SPORTS JOURNALISM BECAUSE SHE'S SPUNKY AND DIDNT HAVE AN ABORTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome to America. Banana Republic with nuclear weapons.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Wed Oct 01, 2008 11:00 am

Mark Moran wrote:Its absolutely disgraceful. The president has no authority. We are in an endless war at $10 billion a month. Wall Street is in shambles. Several millions baby boomers are about to retire initiating an entitlement Tsunami. We are threatened by fascist religious freaks who can build a nuke in a garage.

AND PEOPLE ARE CHEERING FOR A WOMAN WHO WENT TO SIX DIFFERENT COLLEGES IN FIVE YEARS AND GRADUATED WITH A MAJOR IN SPORTS JOURNALISM BECAUSE SHE'S SPUNKY AND DIDNT HAVE AN ABORTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome to America. Banana Republic with nuclear weapons.

Has Obama ever manged a $13 billion dollar budget or 25,000 people?

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