An Open Letter to All Republicans...
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Wow David, what a great letter!Thanks for posting the link. I have believed everything he said for a long time! My dad, in his sixties, who grew up in a poor area in Pittsburgh, worked three jobs to put himself through college and then raise six children born in four years. As a strict Catholic, he became a republican. I actually didn't know that until I was grown because he allowed us to make our own decisions, probably never guessing he would raise five democrat daughters and only one son to follow in his footsteps. However, the Republican party has changed so much, like the letter stated with the "neorepublicans" that he has not voted Republican in years. I admire what he stood for years ago and he LIVED it, unlike the neorepublicans who live hate and judgment and destroying our country and government.
Am I hater Bill? Hell yes. When I had my first son 18 years ago it was a time of hope and promise. Now with my six and seven year olds, I am scared, not ot terrorists from other countries, but as the Black Eyed Peas put it "the terrorists in our own CIA". We are at war and a crashing economy since the neorepublicans tooks over, caring nothing about the domestic areas, i.e. our home, our elderly, our sick, our children.
Why does Stephen not admit he is republican? Who would? As Dr. Phil would say "how's that working for you?"
What is the scariest of all is that the Nazi's took over and killed and destroyed all not like them. They did it based on a leader filled with hate. How did he convince so many to rape and murder and destroy? The same way the right wing has convinced so many in this country to do the same. Like sheep. They don't want to think for themselves, so they believe everything they hear. And don't see the destruction all around them, but keep shopping.
When female republicans first saw Palin and started cheerleading before they knew anything about her, it was for superficial reasons. They try to find something to relate to but when you ask them, the best they can come up with is "I believe in pro-life". If you delve further into pro-life, my question is what are you doing to support it? Are you taking in foster kids? Are you suupporting birth control and sex education in this country to prevent unwanted pregnancies? The truth is most who claim to be pro-life don't do a damn thing to help the life on this planet that needs it.
People wanted to blast Obama for his church, even though it didn't rule his politics, while the Republicans are fueled and funding by ONE religion that decides policy and laws essentially for ALL our lives and children's lives BASED ON THEIR ONE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS! HM not unlike Hitler to me.
Am I hater Bill? Hell yes. When I had my first son 18 years ago it was a time of hope and promise. Now with my six and seven year olds, I am scared, not ot terrorists from other countries, but as the Black Eyed Peas put it "the terrorists in our own CIA". We are at war and a crashing economy since the neorepublicans tooks over, caring nothing about the domestic areas, i.e. our home, our elderly, our sick, our children.
Why does Stephen not admit he is republican? Who would? As Dr. Phil would say "how's that working for you?"
What is the scariest of all is that the Nazi's took over and killed and destroyed all not like them. They did it based on a leader filled with hate. How did he convince so many to rape and murder and destroy? The same way the right wing has convinced so many in this country to do the same. Like sheep. They don't want to think for themselves, so they believe everything they hear. And don't see the destruction all around them, but keep shopping.
When female republicans first saw Palin and started cheerleading before they knew anything about her, it was for superficial reasons. They try to find something to relate to but when you ask them, the best they can come up with is "I believe in pro-life". If you delve further into pro-life, my question is what are you doing to support it? Are you taking in foster kids? Are you suupporting birth control and sex education in this country to prevent unwanted pregnancies? The truth is most who claim to be pro-life don't do a damn thing to help the life on this planet that needs it.
People wanted to blast Obama for his church, even though it didn't rule his politics, while the Republicans are fueled and funding by ONE religion that decides policy and laws essentially for ALL our lives and children's lives BASED ON THEIR ONE RELIGIOUS BELIEFS! HM not unlike Hitler to me.
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I have no problem admitting that I support George Bush (on many issue) or that I vote republican ... I have also voted for many democrats.. I am a libertarian / conservative who is a registered democratWhy does Stephen not admit he is republican? Who would? As Dr. Phil would say "how's that working for you?"

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ryan costa wrote:Democrats who campaigned against the Negro became Republicans about 50 years ago.
The Republicans got Strom Thurmand but the Democrats got to keep Senator Byrd. It's one of those ironies in American politics.
West Virginia had the highest number of lynchings when Byrd was head of the WV KKK. Lynching Negroes in the 20th Century, elder statesman in the 21st century. It's a strange world.
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really.. you better check that woodpile againDemocrats who campaigned against the Negro became Republicans about 50 years ago.
Poll: Racial views steer some away from Obama
One-third of polled white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26803840
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Stephen Eisel wrote:really.. you better check that woodpile againDemocrats who campaigned against the Negro became Republicans about 50 years ago.
Poll: Racial views steer some away from Obama
One-third of polled white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26803840
I have to agree with this idea. I have no doubt we have plenty of closet racists or, at best, racially insecure voters who will opt out of Obama at the polls. No one party claims all the racially intolerant people.
But back to the spitting... in my own post, Stephen, I admitted that this was a possible response from some anti-war zealots but they are just that...zealots and fanatics that don't represent the majority of the Democrats or even the majority of the anti-war membership (which, with a Presidential approval of 28%, likely doesn't include just Democrats but plenty of your own party). Like I said, if you want to paint with that wide a brush, so be it. I am not sure how it makes you feel to smear like that but likely it is a feeling that major league politicians and their handlers must feel during election time so it must be potent.
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Stephen Eisel wrote:I have no problem admitting that I support George Bush (on many issue) or that I vote republican ... I have also voted for many democrats.. I am a libertarian / conservative who is a registered democratWhy does Stephen not admit he is republican? Who would? As Dr. Phil would say "how's that working for you?". If it makes you feel better then yes I am a republican....
boy I feel better! Do you?

As for truly being a libertarian:
One who believes that the only legitimate purpose of a government is to protect the rights of its citizens.
Anyone who supports civil liberties to a greater-than-average degree.
Anyone who believes in minimal, decentralized government.
When the word "Libertarian" is capitalized, it generally refers to a member of the Libertarian Party.
Isn't it true that libertarians wants government out of domestic institutions, privatizing them so certain men can make money and the government has no role in helping people with their social programs,but really the government had to step in and make those programs because the white man wasn't cutting it on privatizing those things?
So what is the role of Heritage and Cato? Who really had the plan to invade Iraq and gave it to Bush to implement? I am curious as to what beliefs pull you to be a Libertarian where gun rights are more important than human rights. I wonder what country you can point out that is successful that does not help take care of its own people, domestic issues, elderly, mentally ill, children, poor, sick? The libertarians are the worst of the right. It is so interesting that the right side believe they are patriotic when in all actuality they don't want to help out the people in their own country. mind boggling.
I really am asking out of pure curiosity and hope that you answer me without LOL at an idea different than your own and without pasting a link for me to read. Your thoughts.
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I wonder what country you can point out that is successful that does not help take care of its own people,
to clarify, could you please indicate which countries you feel are "successful"?
Just curious.
The libertarians are the worst of the right. It is so interesting that the right side believe they are patriotic when in all actuality they don't want to help out the people in their own country. mind boggling.
While I don't purport to be a Libertarian, it's been my understanding that the basic tenet involved is that a Libertarian thinks that they can do more with their money to help individuals in need than can be done with the same amount of money cycled through government red tape. This would then represent a belief that the individual, when not restricted by government can and will naturally act in a caring fashion.
If you want to argue that this system is flawed, be my guest. But suggesting that they don't have a desire to help those in need, simply becuase they don't want to have to depend on a government entity to controll it, is not a strong argument.
And when it comes to caring and giving, I believe there was a John Stossel report that took a much closer look at which political party donated more time and money to charity. You might find the results interesting.
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Come on Brett, the history of the Libertarian is not really based on helping others. It is about fighting to keep their own rights, keeping government out of helping others. The government really went in another direction in this country in when the libertarians and right wingers wanted to "lessen" what the government did domestically and try to let other people gain by privatizing. If people knew how much control certain groups had in telling our great leader what to do they might feel a bit different in their voting.
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Bret Callentine wrote:IAnd when it comes to caring and giving, I believe there was a John Stossel report that took a much closer look at which political party donated more time and money to charity. You might find the results interesting.
I will look for that report belcause I don't claim to know that much about libertarians other than than origin and how they with right wing christians changed government completely when they started controlling the repbulicans. I get that the libertarians wanted welfare reform and all of that and it took too long to try to reform that system, but I don't believe in their basic principals which is my right. I don't think they could run the country better and it is obvious the right wingers aren't cutting it here, taking a country that was doing pretty damn good and plunging it.
Wonder how the country would run with a Buddist running it?
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but I don't believe in their basic principals which is my right.
absolutely, just as it is my right to believe that the country was not all that healthy under the previous administration as well. Loose lending practices, a depleated military, and a leadership pushing moral relativism did not inspire me with any confidence (consumer or otherwise).
Here's another question that I have (not specifically aimed at anyone in particular):
How is it that many in the Democratic Party are so afraid of Christians pushing their religion on America, when they so often are the first to defend those of the Muslim faith whos majority also do not represent a threat to personal freedoms.
How is it that if someone is Pro-Life, they represent an affront to the people, but if someone is Pro-Choice, they are somehow less threatening?
I happen to be pro-choice, but still believe that Roe v. Wade was a mistake. Would that make me more or less electable?
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boy I feel better! Do you? "My name is Stephen and I am a Republican", now the healing can begin!
As for truly being a libertarian:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lo ... issues.htm
This pretty much what I believe....
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Stephen Eisel wrote:boy I feel better! Do you? "My name is Stephen and I am a Republican", now the healing can begin!
As for truly being a libertarian:
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lo ... issues.htm
This pretty much what I believe....
Then how on earth can you call yourself a Republication, especially with this regime?
You seem wise in the way of the big picture, when you post things like this. then you go and defend the war, which is not very Jefferson like.
Stephen, Stephen Stephen
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"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
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If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
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Bret Callentine wrote:but I don't believe in their basic principals which is my right.
absolutely, just as it is my right to believe that the country was not all that healthy under the previous administration as well. Loose lending practices, a depleated military, and a leadership pushing moral relativism did not inspire me with any confidence (consumer or otherwise).
Here's another question that I have (not specifically aimed at anyone in particular):
How is it that many in the Democratic Party are so afraid of Christians pushing their religion on America, when they so often are the first to defend those of the Muslim faith whos majority also do not represent a threat to personal freedoms.
How is it that if someone is Pro-Life, they represent an affront to the people, but if someone is Pro-Choice, they are somehow less threatening?
I happen to be pro-choice, but still believe that Roe v. Wade was a mistake. Would that make me more or less electable?
Speaking for myself, and condensing into a small answer, the Republican's version of "Christianity" is very different than mine. For example, my neighbors are true Christians, IN MY opinion, not just because they go to church everyday, but because the LIVE wha I believe Jesus was trying to get across: they do mission work a few times yearly, going to places others wouldn't to help the disadvantaged, they NEVER have talked about judgment or hate or sin, but talk about love. They raised three daughters, all in college, all with pure hearts who really do charity/volunteer work in their spare time. They belong to a Christian church who just became open to the gay community. If all the people that I have known in my life alone that spewed out "christian" morals lived like them, I would be on the corner preaching Christianity.
But sadly, like the government, man has taken spirituality and created hundreds, thousands of religions that are man-made versions of how we are supposed to live. I will never buy into religions that are against birth control, even for married women, then are against abortion. I hate abortion and wish it never existed or had to be a choice. But the reason many of us are opposed to the Republican right wing Christian (one version) is because they preach complete oxymorons-how dare men, under "religion" tell women they can't control when and how they give birth, I am just talking birth control here. How dare they tell us we have one God, but that one God who created ALL of us, hates gays, or others?
The reason religion has no place in ruling this country is because WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT BELIEFS AND ONLY COMMUNISM dictates how people are supposed to believe. I personally, would never raise my children with the belief that they are born sinners, intrinsically "bad" and needing to repent. I choose Eastern Philosophy and preach peace and that we are all good and all equal and all one.
Let that premise rule our country or our world and there wouldn't be a world filled with hate and judgment and brutal decade-long wars on "religion".
It wasn't that long ago that this country not only enslaved all blacks, ripping them apart from their families, raping the women and treating them like sub-humans, but also women who didn't even count enough to vote, or go to college. Women who gave birth to the men who decided that. When I hear the Archie Bunkers say "I would never vote a woman or a colored man to be president" I feel like I am in the Twighlite zone. Is there research I missed that women or blacks have less IQ than white man? Why this makes me so ill, is that this basic premise alone could win the white house for McCain, the simple requirement that he is a white man.
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