Repubs are from Mars and Dems are from Venus.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:35 pm

Bush lifted the executive ban on offshore drilling on 7-15-08 (oil was at about $134 a barrel). Over the nex month, oil tumbled down to $113 a barrel by 8-13-08..

Jim DeVito · Post by **Jim DeVito** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:57 pm

Bush lifted the Executive offshore drilling ban in early August and oil prices fell every day for about two weeks straight. Nancy Pelosi decided that $4.00 a gallon was not a problem for most Americans and closed down congress and went on vacation.

See that argument does not fly as there have been many reports that US demand for oil has falling sharply during that time. americans have logged many less road miles than before.

So I think the argument that as soon as we say we will drill for more oil is not correct.

Ivor Karabatkovic · Post by **Ivor Karabatkovic** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:01 pm

According to a study done by the government, off-shore drilling + drilling in ANWR will increase US oil production to 2 million barrels a day and help bring down prices $.01 on average in the year 2030. That's when we would peak production. I was watching a hearing of the Senate on CSPAN when I heard that.

On another note...

I was pulling out of the garage where Indians employees park for games and I saw a huge bus being stopped by the police so that us workers can get out of the street. Oh my, it was the Straight Talk Express!

no joke. It was behind me, then passed me and went down to Lakeside and towards E.9th. My guess is John McCain is making an appearance at the Air Show?

what are the chances of that! it was pretty cool seeing his bus...it's nice.

Brian Pedaci · Post by **Brian Pedaci** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:02 pm

Bret Callentine wrote:Find me another Governor that has to deal directly with the Russians on a regular basis over border issues?

I'm curious to find out exactly what border issues have occurred between the US and Russia over the past 20 months and how Palin handled them herself rather than through the US Dept of State.

Where in the continental U.S. is there an equally high percentage of people who own guns, yet retain an amazingly low violent crime rate, given a police force that has 10 and sometimes 100 times more area to cover?

In 2004-2005, Alaska ranked in the top ten in violent crimes per capita and #1 in forcible rape. I couldn't find any more recent statistics, but I wouldn't call it an "amazingly low" crime rate. Maybe in terms of overall incidents, but when you factor in the sparse population it's not as impressive.

Palin has had no initiatives to deal with crime in her position as Governor, besides saying that if the legislature passed death penalty legislation, she'd sign it.

I understand your point that the Alaska Governorship can't be entirely weighed by the number of constituents, but there's no escaping the fact that McCain sent one clear message with this pick - lack of experience is A-OK as long as you've got the right answers on the issues. So voters simply need to ask themselves which set of candidates have the right answers on the issues they care about and disregard how many years they've spent in public service.

Jim DeVito · Post by **Jim DeVito** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:03 pm

I wonder how many buses he has.

heheh sorry could not resist. ;-)

Bret Callentine · Post by **Bret Callentine** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:29 pm

I'm curious to find out exactly what border issues have occurred between the US and Russia over the past 20 months and how Palin handled them herself rather than through the US Dept of State.

Well I'm not sure about the past 20 months, but when I used to spend my summers in Alaska, there were constant issues with fishing boats being harrased in international waters. Most of the time, the papers reported that the incident was handled by local and state officials.

Don't worry though, there were just as many incidents concerning territorial claims with the Candian Government, but since it's just Canada, that doesn't count as "International"

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:31 pm

Jim DeVito wrote:
Bush lifted the Executive offshore drilling ban in early August and oil prices fell every day for about two weeks straight. Nancy Pelosi decided that $4.00 a gallon was not a problem for most Americans and closed down congress and went on vacation.

See that argument does not fly as there have been many reports that US demand for oil has falling sharply during that time. americans have logged many less road miles than before.

So I think the argument that as soon as we say we will drill for more oil is not correct.

U.S. consumption in the first half of 2008 was the largest 1/2 year consumption decline in 26 years. So why did we not see oil prices tumble in the first part of the year? When did oil prices peak?

PS Global consumption rose by 500,000 bbl a day in the 1/2 of 2008.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:12 pm

According to a study done by the government, off-shore drilling + drilling in ANWR will increase US oil production to 2 million barrels a day and help bring down prices $.01 on average in the year 2030. That's when we would peak production. I was watching a hearing of the Senate on CSPAN when I heard that.

2 million barrels a day @ $120 a barrel would roughly keep about $87,600,000,000.00 dollars of wealth from being transferred out of the US yearly and help our trade deficit. The US in theory could quit importing oil from Venezuela and Nigeria... The impact on the price of the barrel would probably be more than $.01 in the end.. Bush impacted oil prices by $21 a barrel with out a single drop of oil coming out of the ground.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 5:43 pm

Palin has had no initiatives to deal with crime in her position as Governor, besides saying that if the legislature passed death penalty legislation, she'd sign it.

The problem is Anchorage. It has had a 9% increase in violent crimes.. Do you blame Ted Strickland for the increase in crime in Cleveland and Lakewood? (just wondering) Has Ted taken any initiatives to stop crime in Lakewood or Cleveland?

Jim DeVito · Post by **Jim DeVito** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:06 pm

Do you blame Ted Strickland for the increase in crime in Cleveland and Lakewood?

Yes

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:16 pm

Jim DeVito wrote:
Do you blame Ted Strickland for the increase in crime in Cleveland and Lakewood?

Yes

lol

Will Brown · Post by **Will Brown** » Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:25 pm

In a free economy, high commodity prices don't last, because consumers either reduce consumption, or switch to alternatives, and producers find new ways to produce. Thus, when copper was expensive and in short supply, manufacturers switched to fiber, while at the same time copper miners started reprocessing lower grade ores, and the scraps ores that they once discarded.

This applies only to a free economy, of course. A system with government control (such as the USSR) rarely achieves any efficiencies, and suffers the consequences.

I would guess that the recent increases in oil prices was not caused by the US (we do use too much oil, but not appreciatively more than we have been using over the years), but rather to savvy investors who suddenly saw that countries such as China and India are on the cusp of huge increases in oil usage.

My concern is that if you really listen to what Obama is promising, is the same type of governmental control that the liberal wing of the Democratic party has always proposed. Apparently he thinks that by calling a duck a change, he can fool enough of us into believing that a duck is not a duck, even if it still waddles and quacks. He certainly backed off his tired proposal to sell oil from our strategic reserve quickly; perhaps someone with more experience pointed out that selling that oil would have a very negligible impact on gas prices, and that he would then have to replace it with much more expensive oil. But he still carries a brief for, among other things, "equal" pay for women. But equal doesn't really mean equal; it means an artificial equality by government fiat. My experience is that women doing the same work receive the same pay (given an adjustment for experience, i.e., a clerk with 5 years of experience should generally be worth a higher wage than a clerk with one month of experience, regardless of plumbing). Those who claim gender based disparity seem to feel that a filing clerk should be paid as much as a truck driver or a mechanic, all in the name of "equal pay".

If our economy remains free of government control, its a good bet that oil prices will decline, but that many of us will have switched to alternatives, which in itself will hasten the decline.

Stephen Calhoun · Post by **Stephen Calhoun** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:43 am

Mr. Brown, you wrote:

In a free economy, high commodity prices don't last, because consumers either reduce consumption, or switch to alternatives, and producers find new ways to produce.

Would you kindly explain with some detail what you mean by free economy? I'm confused because the US economy contains a significant factor of government capital flows, leverage, and capitalizations, all of which in total upend, it would seem, any pure notion of a "free economy."

Also, I would like to know the instrumental and quantitative details of the t model, implied by your assertion, that demonstrates that high commodity prices do not last.

(After all, because I can look up commodity prices over longitudinal frames, what would be interesting to learn about are the idealized factors in your model.)

Thanks.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Mon Sep 01, 2008 9:50 am

http://www.inflationdata.com/inflation/ ... _Table.asp

When ever I cannot drink after filling up my tank... I go to this site for relief

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Tue Sep 02, 2008 3:22 pm

Stephen,

Obama ran a church based organizations for five years, from 1983-1988 on Chicago's South side.

Then he orchestrated the largest voter registration movement in Chicago in 1992 when over 600,000 voters signed up to vote.

He was a professor at the University of Chicago Law School for 9 years, while at the same time being an associate attorney with a law firm.

Then he held the Illinois Senate seat from 1996-2004 where he was the chairman of the Health and Human Services Committee.

From 2004 to present he a member of the Foreign Relations committee, Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee, Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committee, Veterans' affairs committee, and the chairman of the Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Affairs.

He has passed 20 bills, and introduced 10 more which tackle issues from homeless veterans to school to Iran.

In the state of Texas, where both candidates received their biggest amount of votes...(also showing ohio for the heck of it)..

Governor Palin operates a $9 billion budget and manages $13 billion in revenue. She also runs a government that employs 25,000 people. I am not seeing this type of experience on Obama's resume.