Undermining Iraqi peace

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:05 am

So we have Ray Hunt, Bush's very close and personal friend and contributor to hundreds of thousands of dollars to help Bush win in office, in exchange first for a seat on the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (this is the Advisory board you should be worried about Stephen), a board to oversee if Bush is getting good advice from the intel community. hm. Then, Hunt Oil had secret negotiations in the Kurdish controlled part of Iraq (you remember the Kurds, the ones we started to help then abandoned to be butchered years ago) to look for oil! Not just look of oil in "their" territory, but in a territory that is in a power play with the Sunni, Shiites and Kurds!

So while we are trying to find "peace" in this country, Bush's best friend has found a way to divide them even further, thus inciting violence with their people AND OUR TROOPS. But hey, an American oil man and confidant of Bush's will get some oil so it is all worth it isn't it?

ryan costa · Post by **ryan costa** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:48 pm

it is very sad.

Before Gulf War I, the Kuwaitis had been horizontally drilling into Iraqi well space. It is very sad.

I mean, other than that the Kuwaitis had a spotless record. they shopped at Mcdonalds and shit. Kuwaiti teenage boys and girls worked at McDonalds in Kuwait. We had to give Saddam implicit permission to invade Kuwait, just so we could kick Iraq out afterwards. to make the place safe for Subway and Starbucks. Subway and Starbucks hadn't had their big growth explosion yet.

It is understood Iraq would simply not have invaded Kuwait: they basically asked for permission. They took an ambiguous answer as a yes and went ahead. So it was either a conniving way of lulling Iraq into a relative turkey shoot, or a drastic failure of the state department. Either way the U.S. got to show off its superior weapons and give people stuff to do, so it was cool.

Afterwards the U.S. is faced with the scenario of wanting secular societies and also wanting democracy or something in the middle east. But also wanting the Saudis to be cool with our oil market initiatives, and also wanting to baby brother Israel, and a bunch of other stuff. Of course this is the middle east: it is sort of like an urban basketball court or professional sporting event. Most players have to talk a lot of smack to pre-empt getting dissed or raided or couped.

Maybe it is Oprah and Ellen Degeneres' faults. You watch their shows, and they showcase this "have it all" mentality. Maybe President Bush and Cheney had been watching too much Oprah.

Here's what the democrat politicians are going to be able to do better in Iraq: nothing. They probably won't make any real reforms on the domestic scene either. That would slow up the Cargo. Slowing up the Cargo could get people depressed.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 3:15 pm

I only know one thing about the PFIAB. It has 16 members... Beyond that, I am not sure what this advisory board does or how much authority it has...

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 6:39 pm

well now you know and how some got appointed! very interesting. the majority of Americans truly don't know the fraud and injustice and horrid stuff that is going on in Iraq--from our own government. Most don't want to know. They think oblivion is nice. This guy is a Texan oilman just like his buddy GWB. Doesn't that scenario make you sick? This makes Vietnam look justified in comparison. yea.

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:22 pm

Ryan,
The real problem is not Oprah of course, but us, the Americans who stand by and allow one realization after the other and do nothing. Allow more troops there, allow Bush (who has a bonified offer by his oil friend after his presidency) to continue on, knowing Cheney's ties to the oil, knowing Bush's other friends' ties to making money contracting in Iraq, knowing everything we know about the lies that brought us in there and all the lies since, and now this. Will this be allowed? There is a reason the middle east hates America. I truly never knew why until Bush took office and I started doing research on what we have done in the Middle East to benefit us. What they did to us on 911 was beyond horror, but to believe they did it for no reason other than jealousy is insane.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:30 pm

Justine, is this article accurate?

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... 36c23.html

Nonetheless, the actions of the Kurdistan government, which sought out Hunt Oil, prompt a potentially destabilizing perception that the Kurds are brazenly defying Baghdad's central government.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:33 pm

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iXt ... LiFhqayA8g

Hunt had been advised by the US State Department not to enter the deal before the Iraqi parliament passed a national oil bill that will share out the country's lucrative oil revenues but it went ahead anyway, a US embassy official in Baghdad told reporters.

The contract signed earlier this month was declared "illegal" by Iraqi Oil Minister Hussein al-Shahristani, sparking a war of words with the KRG, which told him to stop meddling in its affairs and said he should be sacked.

The KRG passed its own oil law in August and immediately entered into the exploration deal with Hunt.

the plot thickens!

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:37 pm

I actually read an article in Newsweek or one of those magazines. Here is the best part of your link:

and President Bush, responding to a reporter's question, said he would be concerned if the deal disrupted oil-revenue-sharing talks. A senior State Department official in Baghdad told The New York Times on Thursday that the agreement had "needlessly elevated tensions." duh! If this is a problem, then duh I will have to look into this. First, the Kurds didn't just happen to seek out this oil company, owned by Bush's friend and on the advisory board there, but he was lurking and making secret deals. duh. now bush is wondering is this is a problem? in a war torn country that we happen to be in the middle of and land that could be split up with the oil to create peace between three feuding groups? hm what a dumb--- to think he can so this stuff WHILE AMERICAN SOLDIERS AND INNOCENT IRAQI PEOPLE ARE DYING EVERY DAY! How would you feel now, if you had a child over there, knowing this, as if the other stuff wasn't enough?????

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:44 pm

Stephen Eisel wrote:http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iXtQstIhz0ZCqIQVOZLiFhqayA8g

Hunt had been advised by the US State Department not to enter the deal before the Iraqi parliament passed a national oil bill that will share out the country's lucrative oil revenues but it went ahead anyway, a US embassy official in Baghdad told reporters.

The contract signed earlier this month was declared "illegal" by Iraqi Oil Minister Hussein al-Shahristani, sparking a war of words with the KRG, which told him to stop meddling in its affairs and said he should be sacked.

The KRG passed its own oil law in August and immediately entered into the exploration deal with Hunt.

the plot thickens!

Do you see what they are doing here??? Do you see the damage??? They are opening up the hatred for Americans even more!!! And who pays for that!!! People in 911 and other buildings and planes, not bush or his friends.!!! Do you see the terrorism in what these Texas oilmen are doing??? They won't live forever. All that money won't buy them into heaven, but what they are leaving for Americans is beyond tragic. Beyond a horror movie. That's what it feels like more and more.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:05 pm

I need to do more research on this subject. I do not (entirely)understand the history of the Kurds in relationship to Iraq. They (the Kurds) appear to be the step child of Iraq. I thought that this was an exploratory mission to explore for oil??? Has the contract been executed? I really cannot imagine the Kurds taking marching orders from Bush on what oil company to use... They seem some what independent. Is it possible that the Kurds sought out the best company for the job?

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:59 am

It is not for the Kurds to decide! It is supposed to be shared land and the three feuding should split it to help relations!!!! Instead, AN AMERICAN COMPANY WHO HAPPENS TO BE GOOD FRIENDS WITH OUR PRESIDENT is striking a sneaky deal!!! NO Americans should be benefiting from this! Don't you see that?

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:12 am

Justine Cooper wrote:It is not for the Kurds to decide! It is supposed to be shared land and the three feuding should split it to help relations!!!! Instead, AN AMERICAN COMPANY WHO HAPPENS TO BE GOOD FRIENDS WITH OUR PRESIDENT is striking a sneaky deal!!! NO Americans should be benefiting from this! Don't you see that?

From what I have read the Kurds have grabbed the bull by the horns on this oil deal and for good reason. (they desperately need money ) Also, the US State Department has told Hunt to back off any drilling or any other actvity in the region for the time being.

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:17 am

Yea like a Texas oil company had any right to get in the middle of that! The kurds need money but this issue is not settled with the other groups and is the thing to ignite more violence, NOT PEACE. Now the US is stepping in after it hits the media and bush pretends to know nothing. How convenient. Don't you see the potential for real terrorism in deals like this? This is what the war is really about. If this isn't proof you don't want to see. We are not fighting for freedom or safety and in fact have done way more harm than good. good? I don't see any. And yes we helped the Kurds uprise years ago when there was something in it for us, and then changed our minds or Iran and Iraq made peace and we turned around and left the Kurds to be butchered and slaughtered. Yes we were a part of that.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:27 am

But nothing is going to happen.. The President of Iraq said "No" to the deal and the US said "No" to the deal..... Drilling was not going to take place until 2008.. Literally, this deal has only shown up on paper. How has this no deal specifically caused more violence in Iraq? Maybe this was a way for the Kurds to become the squeaky wheel???

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:31 am

And yes we helped the Kurds uprise years ago when there was something in it for us, and then changed our minds or Iran and Iraq made peace and we turned around and left the Kurds to be butchered and slaughtered.

Are you talking about what Chemical Ali did to the Kurds in 1988?

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