Senator Craig

[Stephen Eisel]

Stephen, please point me to where any Democrat has issued a statement that Craig should or shouldn't resign. The calls to resign and the ethics investigation were all initiated by Republicans.

What is your point?

[David Scott]

Stephen

Maybe you can provide the dates of some of the above Democratic misdeeds and also see what the voters did in subsequent elections. While you're at it you can go back to Presidents Johnson and Kennedy who had numerous affairs

Actually, you are missing the point. The hypocrisy of a party running on "family values" and denying rights based upon sexual orientation is loaded with closet gays. They should resign because they are living a lie. Affairs and lying are never acceptable. The family gets hurt but it is a fact of life that national politicians, like atheletes and entertainers, live in a world we have trouble comprehending. They feel invincible and above the law.

Also, glad you pointed out that Janet Reno allowed Ken Starr to dig into President Clinton's personal life. Compare that to "I don't recall" Gonzalez continuing to assert executive branch prerogative

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This just in, Senator Craig's daughter who defended his integrity has an outstanding warrant for contempt of court. She failed to show for an illegal entry charge

[Stephen Eisel]

Stephen

Maybe you can provide the dates of some of the above Democratic misdeeds and also see what the voters did in subsequent elections. While you're at it you can go back to Presidents Johnson and Kennedy who had numerous affairs

Actually, you are missing the point. The hypocrisy of a party running on "family values" and denying rights based upon sexual orientation is loaded with closet gays. They should resign because they are living a lie. Affairs and lying are never acceptable. The family gets hurt but it is a fact of life that national politicians, like atheletes and entertainers, live in a world we have trouble comprehending. They feel invincible and above the law.

Also, glad you pointed out that Janet Reno allowed Ken Starr to dig into President Clinton's personal life. Compare that to "I don't recall" Gonzalez continuing to assert executive branch prerogative

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This just in, Senator Craig's daughter who defended his integrity has an outstanding warrant for contempt of court. She failed to show for an illegal entry charge

You may want to go back and read the first page of this thread to get a better understanding of my position on this subject. The party running on family values asked a member of their own party to resign who engaged in questionable conduct from their point of view. I am not sure how that is hypocrisy in action. It seems that the repubs are pretty consistent on not tolerating what they deem "deviant" behavior. Justine brought up Bill Clinton which is a completely different subject. The Craig incident has nothing to do with sexual orientation but conduct unbecoming a Senator in the eyes of the Repubs.

[Stephen Eisel]

Also, glad you pointed out that Janet Reno allowed Ken Starr to dig into President Clinton's personal life. Compare that to "I don't recall" Gonzalez continuing to assert executive branch prerogative

The United States Court of Appeals also had a little bit of influence on the decision to expand the Whitewater probe and on Janet Reno's decision to allow Ken Starr to expand the Whitewater investigation . I also thought that Paula Jones case against Clinton involved her federal civil rights being violated by Bill. So that factor enabled the investigation to go deeper (this may be in correct)...

[Stephen Eisel]

Phil,
Good post and I agree. It was a witch hunt that embarrassed this country far more than anything else ever could. They should not have went after him like that for that and if Rome really was burning (I didn't see it either) then why would the Republicans spend all that money, time and energy on that witchhunt??? Much more time than the quickies Clinton got.

Clinton is still a humanitarian, doing good things in the world. I just don't see Bush doing that after retirement.

Going back to Karma, Craig was one of only TWO Senators who did not show up at Clinton's State of the Union address after being asked to by a Republican leader. Craig called Clinton a "nasty, bad, naughty boy". I'm just saying...watch your karma and your judging!!!!

Did you forget that Bill Clinton was accused of rape?? And that the Lewisnky tapes did not exactly help prove his innocence .. So it was not exactly a witch hunt... And if you want to throw the word Karma around.. How about that bad karma from Waco and Ruby Ridge???

[Phil Florian]

...then they should have went after him for Ruby Ridge and Waco, not a blow job. Sheesh.

Seems like crime runs in the family. Not a fun day to be in the Craig family:

Craig's Bungling Continues

[Stephen Eisel]

...then they should have went after him for Ruby Ridge and Waco, not a blow job. Sheesh.

Seems like crime runs in the family. Not a fun day to be in the Craig family:

Craig's Bungling Continues

I am beginning to believe that all politicians are the same... This small stuff on the surface is just an illusion to keep us thinking that there is a difference between the two parties and this small stuff also keeps us all divided...

[David Scott]

Stephen - You are a piece of work. You feel you have this verbal superiority by playing with words. Sorry if noone is as smart as you, but you are delusional.

To think for one moment that Alberto Gonzalez would ever let an investigation of the Bush Administration is living in la-la land. This is a man who lied upto the day of his resignation. He submitted his resignation on a Friday and when the NY Times called him on Sunday to verify this he completetly denied it. The man drug the Justice Department from and independent arm to a support of the executive branch.

To say the Republicans are not hypocrits when the run on denying rights and demonizing people based upon sexual orientation just because they denounce someone when their outed is moral ? Oh, and now they say that maybe the good Senator was confused and shouldn't resign After all, we can't expect a US Senator to understand what pleading guilty to a law is.

He can resign or the people in his district and choose to re-elect him. That is not for me to take part in. But for him to continue to vote against gay rights is pathetic

And I know you will respond with some semantic, witty comment - leave for someone else. I don't have your intelligence and won't get into a verbal spar so you can go play your game with yourself

[Stephen Eisel]

Stephen - You are a piece of work. You feel you have this verbal superiority by playing with words. Sorry if noone is as smart as you, but you are delusional.

I feel quite the opposite about myself. I only try to lay things out using the facts. I am not smart nor to I proclaim to be smart. I simply try to get to the bottom of things and search for the truth. If I am delusional then it should be quite simple to refute my logic or facts.

[Stephen Eisel]

To think for one moment that Alberto Gonzalez would ever let an investigation of the Bush Administration is living in la-la land. This is a man who lied upto the day of his resignation. He submitted his resignation on a Friday and when the NY Times called him on Sunday to verify this he completetly denied it. The man drug the Justice Department from and independent arm to a support of the executive branch.

I put forth the facts on why Clinton was investigated. The law suit brought forward by Paula Jones opened up Pandoras Box. The repubs had nothing to do with the Paula Jones law suit. It was not the repubs looking into Bill Clinton's sex life that started the initial investigation. It was Bill Clinton lying under oath and getting caught lying that enabled or empowered them to look at Bill under a micorscope. You should also recall that the Linda Tripp tapes proved that. I am not sure how stating these facts are playing with words or make you believe that I am arrogant.

[Stephen Eisel]

To say the Republicans are not hypocrits when the run on denying rights and demonizing people based upon sexual orientation just because they denounce someone when their outed is moral ? Oh, and now they say that maybe the good Senator was confused and shouldn't resign After all, we can't expect a US Senator to understand what pleading guilty to a law is.

You need to go back in re-read what I wrote about the Republicans and their decision to try to force Craig to resign. I said their actions were consistent.

I wrote: It seems that the repubs are pretty consistent on not tolerating what they deem "deviant" behavior. Justine brought up Bill Clinton which is a completely different subject. The Craig incident has nothing to do with sexual orientation but conduct unbecoming a Senator in the eyes of the Repubs.

[Stephen Eisel]

He can resign or the people in his district and choose to re-elect him. That is not for me to take part in. But for him to continue to vote against gay rights is pathetic

And I know you will respond with some semantic, witty comment - leave for someone else. I don't have your intelligence and won't get into a verbal spar so you can go play your game with yourself

I never commented on gay rights or made this about about gay rights. I never commented on the republicans view of gays. I simply commented on the republicans actions towards one of their own. I simply pointed out that the actions of the repubs are pretty consistent in dealing with behavior that they deem deviant.

[Stephen Eisel]

And I know you will respond with some semantic, witty comment - leave for someone else. I don't have your intelligence and won't get into a verbal spar so you can go play your game with yourself

You need to practice what you preach. If you do not agree with my opinion or facts then refute them.

[Stephen Eisel]

Should Craig resign and why?

[Justine Cooper]

Stephen,
We could all sit here all day and pick out facts to post against whomever, but you are still missing the point.

The Democratic party does not get bulk of their money from a Religious group dictating to them what OUR laws should be. HELLO you of all people know there are more religions in AMERICA than CHRISTIANITY alone.

So for the amount of gay scandals (and straight scandals)the Republicans are caught in (NOT to mention how many don't get caught) THIS IS THE WORST HYPOCRISY! To stand up to fight gay marriage while you are having gay encounters in a bathroom stall says it all!!!!!!

This is not a pissing contest on who had more affairs, but yes the Republican scandals since Clinton are double! And to imply they are irrelevant because they are not the President is minimizing. They are the US Senators and other ELECTED officials getting paid with OUR tax money!

Leave religion out of politics! Quit catering to lobbyist and groups and run the f-ing country on the morals and ethics it was founded on!

And if we all accepted gays as a part of natural life, then YES some of this hiding would stop!!!!!!!