Senator Craig

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 10:55 am

I was surprised to not see any thread about this incident. How did we go from spending millions of tax dollars to persecute Clinton for an affair, to scandals such as this being pushed under the rug.

Some don't believe in Karma. I do. I think the ugly reasons why the Republican party went after Clinton (not to mention the one leading the investigation was having his own affair, one of several) is biting them in many places now.

Being gay is not a choice. We can't help who we are attracted to, it is biological. Being a Republican who speaks out AGAINST gays IS a choice and you have to wonder WHY so many choose that path. My guess is that if the world quit judging gays and condemning them, there would not be a need to hide in stalls like so many educated married men do. If gays weren't meant to feel like they are inferior or ugly or wrong, there would be no more closets, or stalls to hide in.

If we learn anything as a country in all the recent right-wing gay scandals, it should be to loving accept everyone regardless of sexual orientation (not preference since it clearly is not a choice) or religion or color, etc. etc. etc.
And, that those that speak out the most in hate, have the most to hide, and are projecting their self-hate onto others. The more we accept ourselves as flawed humans, the less we have the need to point out others flaws.

Individually we can all stop the judgment of gays in our lives and make a difference by focusing on acceptance and love.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:45 pm

The Christian right runs the republican party and as a result Senator Craig was forced to resign so I am not sure what your point is. The republicans who forced him to resign are all a bunch of idiots in my opinion. I think that he plead guilty to disorderly conduct. If every criminal or person that has committed a crime while in office was removed from the Senate or Congress then we would have a lot of open seats. Senator Craig resigned from the Senate. What else do you want to happen to him for playing footsy in a bathroom stall? Bill Clinton fiddled while Rome was burning. The power of the President / responsibilities versus one Senator is night and day (the president has a lot more responsibilities then a Senator). Senator Craig playing footsy in a bathroom stall pales in comparison to what Clinton did and did not do in the Oval Office as a result of his escapades with Monica and etc.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:07 pm

The repubs wanted Clinton impeached because he had perjured himself / had sex with Monica. Now, the repubs asked Craig to resign because he was crusing for sex in a public bathroom. That is hardly a case of being pushed under the rug.

Brian Pedaci · Post by **Brian Pedaci** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:25 pm

Except now he can't make up his mind whether or not he's really resigned.

Stan Austin · Post by **Stan Austin** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:23 pm

He's got the option of switching, changing his mind. After all, it's a Lifesyle, and his opinion can likewise change.

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 3:37 pm

Yea the Republicans asked him to resign and the American Public walks around like it didn't even happen and Rome might not be burning but Iraq is. I really did not expect you to get my point to be honest. What the REAL point was.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 4:49 pm

Justine Cooper wrote:Yea the Republicans asked him to resign and the American Public walks around like it didn't even happen and Rome might not be burning but Iraq is. I really did not expect you to get my point to be honest. What the REAL point was.

What happened that we should be making a bigger deal about this story? Am I missing something? He played footsy, got arrested, apologized, and now he has resigned or I think that he resigned. The story was carried by all the major media outlets... and talked about just about everywhere but here...

PS Iraq is not burning :wink:

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 5:07 pm

The point is the Republican never should have spent the taxpayer's money going after that scandal and THEN go live in their glass houses. My point is that since then, MANY Republicans have been outed for affairs, some straight, some gay, and the same people that showed outrage at Clinton's family values, all of a sudden have nothing to say. My point is that if you are gay, be gay and proud, not hiding in politics and spouting anti-gay harmful things that hurt human lives. My point is that if society did not condemn gays so much, grown men would not be hiding in stalls (what a sad life).

I guess I have many points. But I don't want to hear any more about family values from the Christian right who hide in stalls.

And Iraq is on fire with no hoses in sight. :cry:

Jim DeVito · Post by **Jim DeVito** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:10 pm

Justine Cooper wrote:And Iraq is on fire with no hoses in sight.

The four horseman...

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:25 pm

Justine Cooper wrote:The point is the Republican never should have spent the taxpayer's money going after that scandal and THEN go live in their glass houses. My point is that since then, MANY Republicans have been outed for affairs, some straight, some gay, and the same people that showed outrage at Clinton's family values, all of a sudden have nothing to say. My point is that if you are gay, be gay and proud, not hiding in politics and spouting anti-gay harmful things that hurt human lives. My point is that if society did not condemn gays so much, grown men would not be hiding in stalls (what a sad life).

I guess I have many points. But I don't want to hear any more about family values from the Christian right who hide in stalls.

And Iraq is on fire with no hoses in sight.

I heard several repubs asking Craig to resign. McCain and Norm Coleman come to mind first. I also heard several other Repubs on TV echoing the same sentiment. I think it is a bit of a stretch to compare this one incident of Larry Craig to the many things that Clinton did during his presidency. The actions of Larry Craig did not result in the security of this country being compromised. Bill Clinton did lose his law license so he was not exactly innocent on all charges. He did commit perjury while under oath (just sayin). The actions of the repubs were consistent with both Bill Clinton and Larry Craig. So try to put your biases aside and see clearly

Richard Cole · Post by **Richard Cole** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:55 pm

Stephen Eisel wrote:He played footsy, got arrested,

Note to self - don't play footsy. :lol:

Footsy as an arrestable offence, PC brigade gone mad if you ask me :shock:

Use of language can be so illuminating

dl meckes · Post by **dl meckes** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 7:58 pm

If you have restless leg syndrome, stay home!

Richard Cole · Post by **Richard Cole** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:02 pm

dl meckes wrote:If you have restless leg syndrome, stay home!

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:06 pm

dl meckes wrote:If you have restless leg syndrome, stay home!

and God forbid you have the song "Happy Feet" on your mind. You will be doing some hard time...

Justine Cooper · Post by **Justine Cooper** » Wed Sep 05, 2007 8:12 pm

Stephen Eisel wrote:
Justine Cooper wrote:The point is the Republican never should have spent the taxpayer's money going after that scandal and THEN go live in their glass houses. My point is that since then, MANY Republicans have been outed for affairs, some straight, some gay, and the same people that showed outrage at Clinton's family values, all of a sudden have nothing to say. My point is that if you are gay, be gay and proud, not hiding in politics and spouting anti-gay harmful things that hurt human lives. My point is that if society did not condemn gays so much, grown men would not be hiding in stalls (what a sad life).

I guess I have many points. But I don't want to hear any more about family values from the Christian right who hide in stalls.

And Iraq is on fire with no hoses in sight.
I heard several repubs asking Craig to resign. McCain and Norm Coleman come to mind first. I also heard several other Repubs on TV echoing the same sentiment. I think it is a bit of a stretch to compare this one incident of Larry Craig to the many things that Clinton did during his presidency. The actions of Larry Craig did not result in the security of this country being compromised. Bill Clinton did lose his law license so he was not exactly innocent on all charges. He did commit perjury while under oath (just sayin). The actions of the repubs were consistent with both Bill Clinton and Larry Craig. So try to put your biases aside and see clearly

And this senator said he had wide legs and wasn't calling anybody. They all lie. That point is mute. I am not comparing this one incident, but there have been MANY incidents and all the people aghast at Clinton now are walking around like this is normal life for senators and politicians. Oh yea, it is.