Not safer, Mideast worst, what did we spend it on?

Jim O'Bryan · Post by **Jim O'Bryan** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:25 am

Now that the dust has cleared from the flag waving party of misinformation what has our Trillion dollars bought. And what did our drunken sailors in the White House spend it on?

We are no safer according to CIA and FBI. AlQuada is back to pre 9/11 levels and strength. Our military has been shown to be not up to the task to fight a door to door war, and all of it's weaknesses displayed for all. Mideast is cranking out terrorists ready to die faster then ever before.

So where did the money go, and were we being lied to by this administration?

FWIW

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ryan costa · Post by **ryan costa** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 7:46 am

The money went to the right people. Think of it as a public works project without the stigma of being called "socialist" or compared to The New Deal.

Think of it as the hysterical whim of a President raised at the forefront of a paradigm shift(sunbelt suburbia, outsourcing, globalism, easy stock market gains, a strong currency despite chronic massive trade and government deficits) that can't go on.

Jim O'Bryan · Post by **Jim O'Bryan** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 8:28 am

Ryan

This administration and this war will always remind me of when the parents of South Park went to war drunk on Chocolate Schnapps.

I knew the day of sobbering up would come.

Just amazed it is taking so long.

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Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:01 am

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=46769

Bret Callentine · Post by **Bret Callentine** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:08 am

Jim,

I understand your frustration. However, just a shot in the dark here, but I'm guessing that to anyone who didn't agree with the decision to go to war in the first place, any price is too much, and any time spent is too long.

For better or for worse, I see this as similar to a couple deciding to become parents. Once you make the decision, you're locked in to all of the costs and responsibilities of your decision.

The decision now is when to declare Iraq legally of age. In my mind, I think we're quickly approaching that day.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:09 am

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article2121006.ece

Al-Qaeda faces rebellion from the ranks
Sickened by the groupÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s barbarity, Iraqi insurgents are giving information to coalition forces

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:11 am

Now that the dust has cleared from the flag waving party of misinformation

Could you be more specific??

ryan costa · Post by **ryan costa** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:06 pm

Bret Callentine wrote:Jim,

I understand your frustration. However, just a shot in the dark here, but I'm guessing that to anyone who didn't agree with the decision to go to war in the first place, any price is too much, and any time spent is too long.

For better or for worse, I see this as similar to a couple deciding to become parents. Once you make the decision, you're locked in to all of the costs and responsibilities of your decision.

The decision now is when to declare Iraq legally of age. In my mind, I think we're quickly approaching that day.

We will have to settle for Iraq being more effed up than Saudi Arabia. Perhaps we should have "adopted" Saudi Arabia those years ago. That would have been a more appropriate "child" to "have", considering the circumstances and also considering all the rhetoric.

Bret Callentine · Post by **Bret Callentine** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:37 pm

and considering where all the money is coming from.

Beajay Michaud · Post by **Beajay Michaud** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:42 pm

Maybe its going to pay for the sick and injuryed war vets. No wait they are sueing because they haven't been paid.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/07/23/ve ... cnn_latest

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 1:57 pm

Iraq is a unique situation. As I said in another thread, UN Resolution 1441 shows the UN Security Council also believed that Iraq was a threat to the world.. Saddam gassed 50,000 Kurds with out even blinking..

ryan costa · Post by **ryan costa** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:22 pm

The stuff done against the Kurds was during the Reagan-Bush I years. If they didn't like it they should have said something.

A few hundred thousand Iraqis have died of violence or deprivation since the U.S. invasion. I hope we aren't invaded by some celestial utopian super beings.

The Al Queda movement is of radical islamic fundamentalists. Iraq was a fairly secular country.

Turkey displaced about 400,000 kurds in the last 30 years. They literally wiped out about 4000 kurdish towns. That isn't as quick as gassing them, so Turkey gets extra points.

Bush II should at least be censured before his term expires. I don't know if his hobby war was as illegal as getting a hummer from Monica. I'm not a lawyer.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:57 pm

The stuff done against the Kurds was during the Reagan-Bush I years. If they didn't like it they should have said something.

Correct and Saddam used WMD's to carry out this genocide. In 1988, Iraq was not under UN Resolution. Also, it was though at first that Iran had committted this horrible crime against humanity. If Saddam gassed his own people then do you think that he would have a problem gassing Americans? Let us not forget about Salman Pak.. Or the fact that Saddam was paying the families of suicide bombers (Faroq al-Kaddoumi) $25,000 each. Saddam supported several terrorist organizations that is a fact. He harbored and supported the who's who of terrorist.

Stephen Eisel · Post by **Stephen Eisel** » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:10 pm

Bush II should at least be censured before his term expires. I don't know if his hobby war was as illegal as getting a hummer from Monica. I'm not a lawyer.

While getting a hummer, he neglected to do anything about the WTC 1993, USS Cole, Mogadishu, Oklahoma, and th Khobal Towers.. He cut the CIA budget for Afghanistan knowing that Al Qaeda was using Afghanistan as a training base. He did bomb Iraq. I finally thought that Bill was waking up..

Bill Clinton: Earlier today, I ordered AmericaÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack IraqÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors

But my hope was short lived..

ryan costa · Post by **ryan costa** » Thu Jul 26, 2007 6:16 pm

i don't understand what bringing Clinton into this is for. Clinton didn't get us into war. Iraq didn't attack us. Iraq didn't do any of the things you mentioned.

Nor did any of the things you mention justify a war. and if they did justify a war, it would only have been against Saudi Arabia.

Iraq will be in worse shape than before we invaded for a long time. It will be worse than before we invaded 1 year from now, 5 years from now, and 10 years from now. Because what we've exported there is Americanism. Americanism is what produced Los Angeles. Americanism is what turned Cleveland and Detroit from what they were before bussing, into what they are now. It is about spending a lot of money to "fix" things, and ending up worse off.

Not safer, Mideast worst, what did we spend it on?

Not safer, Mideast worst, what did we spend it on?

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