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Something to mentally kick around. There is also a site called www.illuminati.org but it's for members only, no one else can log in.
Mark Allan Crnolatas
The Illuminati - An Interesting Subject
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The word on the street is that everytime a vending machine steals your quarter it goes to the illuminati.
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cultural relativism
The Illuminati were some dirty dudes. But they're from Europe. In America some new people have stepped up to the plate. The Fraternal Order of Eagles have a lot of influence. And their wives form these Bowling Leagues. Lady Eagle Bowling Leagues. They come together from all over the state and book motels up for the weekend. They really tear the motels up. Don't cross the Eagles.
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Mark Crnolatas wrote:http://www.illuminati-news.com/index.htm
Something to mentally kick around. There is also a site called www.illuminati.org but it's for members only, no one else can log in.
Mark Allan Crnolatas
Mark
The site is nothing more than another cut and paste ego site. Nothing new there.
As for the Iluminati site, don't you get the joke?
You have to sign in, no way to register. Get it?
"A movement of freethinkers that were the most radical offshoot of The Enlightenment"
Some were Masons, some were not.
Anything like that is dead. Illuminati existed for ten years.
Don't you think so Gary and Jeff?
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Jim O'Bryan
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"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
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I was told that members of the Illuminati already had usernames and passwords. I have a private site to sign into my internet radio server, which offers only a username and password, so it added up to me, Maybe I missed it if it was a joke. Hmm.
Mark Allan Crnolatas.
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Mark Crnolatas wrote:I was told that members of the Illuminati already had usernames and passwords. I have a private site to sign into my internet radio server, which offers only a username and password, so it added up to me, Maybe I missed it if it was a joke. Hmm.
Mark Allan Crnolatas.
Mark
Members already had usernames and passwords!
How many members are there?
Have you ever been in a Fortune 500 company board room? Or tele-conferencing center? I would hope even the most Luddite member of the Illuminati would not depend on the net for planning parties or keeping in touch. If they are really the "rulers" of the world, I hope they have secure networks.
The Joke as I saw it. If you are not a a member it is a secret. No way to be a member.
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Jim O'Bryan
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
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Gary Rice
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Jim's done his homework.
The Illuminati were but one of a great many groups, some, quite serious, and others, spoofing around with real or imagined esoteric knowledge. They lasted for only a short time, according to my research, although neo-Illuminati-type groups seem to pop up from time to time.
As far as I am aware, the oldest known group of people existing outside of church and state are the Freemasons. Officially, they date from 1717 in England-and unofficially from the late 1300's.
There is an interesting Masonic document "The Regis Poem" that is the first official indication of Freemasonry from that era.
Masons are thought by some to have come out of the cathedral building guilds. These people were called "operative" masons. When masonry as a fraternity came about, these were known as "speculative" masons.
Another very plausible link to their origin goes to the demise of the Knights Templar in 1314. These were the Pope's own soldiers who almost everyone believes now were framed by the French King Phillip The Fair. Accused of just about everything under the sun, they were tortured and burned at the stake. Some escaped to Scotland, where they went underground. A Masonic/Templar link appears to have been established at Rosslyn Chapel there, with the Sinclair family.
The Catholic Church, along with a number of Protestant bodies, has not approved of the Masons right from the start. There have been a number of Papal Bulls against the Masons. In the 1970's, it seemed as if there was a general relaxation of their rules concerning Masonic membership. When I joined the lodge in the early '80's, I was doing a Catholic Guitar Mass, and it seemed like the Masonic difficulties had gone away at that time. The Catholic difficulties with Masonry returned, however, and would seem to continue to this day.
That whole situation may originate from a supposition that Masonry was possible devised as a "revenge" thing against church and state. Ironically, as Masons, we are careful about raising potentially divisive subjects in lodge. (although what might be discussed afterward is another matter-i.e.-the Boston Tea Party was supposedly put on by members of a Masonic lodge in lieu of a meeting)
The feeling against Masonry seems to come from its supposed secrecy, as well as the allegation that it is a "religion of naturalism".
As a Freemason, and a member of the Masonic Knights Templar, I'll simply say that Freemasonry encourages its members to believe in the faith of their choice, although a belief in God is required for membership. The Masons are not a religion, but rather, I would say, a group of religious philosophers.
The Masonic Knights Templar is a Christian Order, although in the spirit of Freemasonry, we have had non-Christian members even there. Surprisingly to some, we have always had Catholics among our membership, even now.
It is my understanding that various bodies related to our fraternity contribute over one million dollars a day to groups like the Scottish Rite Orton-Gillingham Learning Centers for Dyslexic Children, The Knights Templar Eye Foundation, as well as the Shrine hospitals for burned and orthopedically impaired children. (The Shrine is not a Masonic body, but all Shriners are Masons)
From the old days, women have not been Masons, although there were probably a number who were in fact, admitted. (That is an amazing research, in and of itself). This was not intended as a prejudice, but like the Catholic priesthood, it was historically felt that men alone could be admitted. Women do join the Masonic affiliate Eastern Star. In no way in Masonry would a woman ever be considered inferior; only (and obviously) different!
As far as getting in to Masonry? That's no secret at all. Masons, however, are not supposed to ask anyone to join. This goes way back in history.
If you want to be a Mason, you have to ask one.
Hope that this information is helpful. Happy Easter all!
Oh yes, we didn't try to take over the world, but Masonic ideals of tolerance, charity, and individual God-given freedom of conscience continue to resonate just about everywhere.
Often, even here on the 'Deck!
The Illuminati were but one of a great many groups, some, quite serious, and others, spoofing around with real or imagined esoteric knowledge. They lasted for only a short time, according to my research, although neo-Illuminati-type groups seem to pop up from time to time.
As far as I am aware, the oldest known group of people existing outside of church and state are the Freemasons. Officially, they date from 1717 in England-and unofficially from the late 1300's.
There is an interesting Masonic document "The Regis Poem" that is the first official indication of Freemasonry from that era.
Masons are thought by some to have come out of the cathedral building guilds. These people were called "operative" masons. When masonry as a fraternity came about, these were known as "speculative" masons.
Another very plausible link to their origin goes to the demise of the Knights Templar in 1314. These were the Pope's own soldiers who almost everyone believes now were framed by the French King Phillip The Fair. Accused of just about everything under the sun, they were tortured and burned at the stake. Some escaped to Scotland, where they went underground. A Masonic/Templar link appears to have been established at Rosslyn Chapel there, with the Sinclair family.
The Catholic Church, along with a number of Protestant bodies, has not approved of the Masons right from the start. There have been a number of Papal Bulls against the Masons. In the 1970's, it seemed as if there was a general relaxation of their rules concerning Masonic membership. When I joined the lodge in the early '80's, I was doing a Catholic Guitar Mass, and it seemed like the Masonic difficulties had gone away at that time. The Catholic difficulties with Masonry returned, however, and would seem to continue to this day.
That whole situation may originate from a supposition that Masonry was possible devised as a "revenge" thing against church and state. Ironically, as Masons, we are careful about raising potentially divisive subjects in lodge. (although what might be discussed afterward is another matter-i.e.-the Boston Tea Party was supposedly put on by members of a Masonic lodge in lieu of a meeting)
The feeling against Masonry seems to come from its supposed secrecy, as well as the allegation that it is a "religion of naturalism".
As a Freemason, and a member of the Masonic Knights Templar, I'll simply say that Freemasonry encourages its members to believe in the faith of their choice, although a belief in God is required for membership. The Masons are not a religion, but rather, I would say, a group of religious philosophers.
The Masonic Knights Templar is a Christian Order, although in the spirit of Freemasonry, we have had non-Christian members even there. Surprisingly to some, we have always had Catholics among our membership, even now.
It is my understanding that various bodies related to our fraternity contribute over one million dollars a day to groups like the Scottish Rite Orton-Gillingham Learning Centers for Dyslexic Children, The Knights Templar Eye Foundation, as well as the Shrine hospitals for burned and orthopedically impaired children. (The Shrine is not a Masonic body, but all Shriners are Masons)
From the old days, women have not been Masons, although there were probably a number who were in fact, admitted. (That is an amazing research, in and of itself). This was not intended as a prejudice, but like the Catholic priesthood, it was historically felt that men alone could be admitted. Women do join the Masonic affiliate Eastern Star. In no way in Masonry would a woman ever be considered inferior; only (and obviously) different!
As far as getting in to Masonry? That's no secret at all. Masons, however, are not supposed to ask anyone to join. This goes way back in history.
If you want to be a Mason, you have to ask one.
Hope that this information is helpful. Happy Easter all!
Oh yes, we didn't try to take over the world, but Masonic ideals of tolerance, charity, and individual God-given freedom of conscience continue to resonate just about everywhere.
Often, even here on the 'Deck!
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Jim O'Bryan
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Gary Rice wrote:Jim's done his homework.
Oh yes, we didn't try to take over the world, but Masonic ideals of tolerance, charity, and individual God-given freedom of conscience continue to resonate just about everywhere.
Often, even here on the 'Deck!
Very sharp my brother.
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Jim O'Bryan
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama
Lakewood Resident
"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg
"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama