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Roll Over On Beach! Not On The Beach But Close

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Today around 4pm. as I was leaving Clifton Beach after grabbing some sun. I noticed some excitement on Beach Road. It seems that a person leaving had rolled their car.

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By the time I had walked over, the man had been safely removed by Lakewood Fire Department.

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He was described as in good shape and good spirits. Describing how his right wheel caught the curb and pitched him across the road and over.

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A story that is totally consistent with slow speed SUV rollovers.

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Good work Lakewood Fire and Police Departments. So fast it was over before I could walk over.

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I didn't think one could use Clifton Beach unless they lived there . . . .
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Amy Martin wrote:I didn't think one could use Clifton Beach unless they lived there . . . .
There are memberships too.

I am not a member.

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Just remember-- Keep the shiny side up and the greasy side down :?
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That vehicle does not appear to have either a Park sticker or a Club sticker. And how you roll something like that on that road is beyond me. Doesn't seem possible.
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Tim Liston wrote:That vehicle does not appear to have either a Park sticker or a Club sticker. And how you roll something like that on that road is beyond me. Doesn't seem possible.
Tim, drive walk or bike to the bottom of the hill. Look at where the gravel on the right becomes a curb. It is right at the turn, which becomes sharper if you drop a wheel. A little over correction, the 6-8" in curb, wheel turned over the SUV goes.


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Driver was looked over and released.

Great work Lakewood Fire and Police.

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This is a private drive to the Clifton Park Trust beach that is owned by the lot owners of Clifton Park. It appears the driver was probably distracted by cell phone and decided to try to climb a tree, note the left front fender, and rolled over an expensive SUV. The Lakewood police have no traffic jurisdiction on private property; therefore, the driver was not issued a traffic ticket. Any individual that was below sign on the driveway posting it was private was trespassing, Jim.
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Richard Baker wrote:Any individual that was below sign on the driveway posting it was private was trespassing, Jim.
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Hmmmmm, maybe they should prosecute me?

My friends at the Lagoons who I was visiting seem to think they would have no case.

This is just one of many reasons why the Beach should be public.



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Jim says: "This is just one of many reasons why the Beach should be public.

Jim I'm confused. Why is it that Clifton Beach should be made public? Because you have a friend who owns a Lagoon home? Because somebody rolled an SUV on the drive up? Because some people who go down there are trespassing? Help me out. And what are the other many reasons Clifton Beach should be made public?
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Tim Liston wrote:Jim says: "This is just one of many reasons why the Beach should be public.

Jim I'm confused. Why is it that Clifton Beach should be made public? Because you have a friend who owns a Lagoon home? Because somebody rolled an SUV on the drive up? Because some people who go down there are trespassing? Help me out. And what are the other many reasons Clifton Beach should be made public?
The road is being fixed. According to the guard who walked over and forgot to arrest me for going home.

And so it will be in the good hands of Clifton Park, and 2 shares of Clifton Club. If public, that would not be on your shoulders Tim.

Also if it was public everyone down there wouldn't spend the time suing each other and getting weird and nasty over it.


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Your friends at the lagoon are not, repeat, not owners of the beach property. Your friend has no say in the affairs of the Clifton Park Trust. His opinion with that current legal issues in the Trust is just another CNN opinion. The boathouse residents are guests of the Trust. However, the lagoons contribute to the security of the beach, and the Trustees allow them to use the beach property. If your friends are owners of a boathouse, they would know this, so I assume they are renting.

The Clifton Park Trust owns the property up to approximately eight feet of the lagoon boathouses with a few exceptions. The Trust also owns the riverfront property. However, there was an attempt by the Trustees to circumvent the Trust and sell the riverfront property, which resulted in a lawsuit that wasted Trust funds in the upper five-figures for attorneys. The cost to the opposition was less than a thousand.

The guards would not arrest you, nor do they have powers to make an arrest other than citizens. They would simply call the Lakewood Police and have you arrested for trespassing. The City Lakewood can't afford to purchase the beach; if they elected to enact eminent domain it would require them to pay fair market value for the beach property. First of all, it's too small, parking is limited, and do you have any concept of the value of the riverfront and Lake Erie sand beach property?

The COVID-19 recession will cause property values in the city to collapse, the primary industry; bars and restaurants shuttering, reduction of the city government gluteus staff's payroll, abused infrastructure repairs, years of inept a socialist management, declining payroll taxes, unemployment, etc. No, in a bedroom community like Lakewood, the mayor and councils' attention will be how to cut all the nonessential socialist services they burdened the taxpayers with, outsource the income tax department, trash pickup, and lay off city nonessential employees.
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Richard Baker wrote:Your friends at the lagoon are not, repeat, not owners of the beach property. Your friend has no say in the affairs of the Clifton Park Trust. His opinion with that current legal issues in the Trust is just another CNN opinion. The boathouse residents are guests of the Trust. However, the lagoons contribute to the security of the beach, and the Trustees allow them to use the beach property. If your friends are owners of a boathouse, they would know this, so I assume they are renting.

The Clifton Park Trust owns the property up to approximately eight feet of the lagoon boathouses with a few exceptions. The Trust also owns the riverfront property. However, there was an attempt by the Trustees to circumvent the Trust and sell the riverfront property, which resulted in a lawsuit that wasted Trust funds in the upper five-figures for attorneys. The cost to the opposition was less than a thousand.

The guards would not arrest you, nor do they have powers to make an arrest other than citizens. They would simply call the Lakewood Police and have you arrested for trespassing. The City Lakewood can't afford to purchase the beach; if they elected to enact eminent domain it would require them to pay fair market value for the beach property. First of all, it's too small, parking is limited, and do you have any concept of the value of the riverfront and Lake Erie sand beach property?

The COVID-19 recession will cause property values in the city to collapse, the primary industry; bars and restaurants shuttering, reduction of the city government gluteus staff's payroll, abused infrastructure repairs, years of inept a socialist management, declining payroll taxes, unemployment, etc. No, in a bedroom community like Lakewood, the mayor and councils' attention will be how to cut all the nonessential socialist services they burdened the taxpayers with, outsource the income tax department, trash pickup, and lay off city nonessential employees.
Thank you for proving my point.

You people get weird and nasty over that sliver of beach. I have written many stories of the lawsuits, and the bitter infighting with everyone involved in that sandy battle ground.

First I was standing with the guard, and the police, and the fire fighters, even the driver till he left to be checked out. The same guard I walked by on my way to my friends house. He asked my business, and I told him, though I do not believe I had to.

Heading home, I was probably going to take the steps, not the road for safety, though I walked down the road to get there. I saw the accident and took photos.

They would not call Lakewood Police and have me arrested for tresspassing because the guard was not an asshole, and neither are Lakewood Police. Just the people fighting over "the beach," would do they, and like most things they would be wrong too.

I would argue the PArk Association and Clifton Club can't afford to sell the beach far more than Lakewood's ability to borrow money at almost zero interest to purchase the beach.

So Mr. Conservative ex-Mayor of a small town, how would you balance the books. Lakewood cannot run a deficit economy. Please start another thread, I would like to keep this to how creepy people get over the condom, dead fish catcher.

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I apologize for the very tardy response. To clear up a few issues. The Clifton Club does not own the beach, the Clifton Park Trust's owners of 204 Clifton Park lots do. I think the Club owns 4 of these lots. To dispose of any property, the Trust must have an unanimous decision by the lot owners. The guards at the beach can call the Lakewood police and have anyone trespassing that will not leave voluntarily, arrested. Being raised on a farm in the southwest during the 1950s, I was taught to respect private property, it could get you shot and at the least, you didn't want your dad to find out.

I'm not concerned if the City attempted to acquire the property by intimate domain, the expense for the city to litigate would be astronomical for a property with inadequate public parking and beach frontage. However, since the City of Lakewood is known as a developer's sugar daddy, after all they closed a hospital and gave the property to a developer, there may be a plan. Who knows, a long term the City will acquire Clifton Beach and give the property to a developer. The developer will build million dollar condos with dockage and beach and too assist sales offer a ten year tax credit to the very wealthy.. Lakewood 'agenda of increasing density while not requiring developers to provide for green space or finance the cost of additional infrastructure required, is the definition of being Green.
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