So. where can we go safely?

[Dan Alaimo]

Until things are more thoroughly locked down, where can we go in relative safety. A walk in the psrk will always be ok; Joe's Deli is clean with wide spaces between tables, and once the hoarding hordes retreat, supermarkets should be safe again. Other ideas?

[Jim O'Bryan]

Until things are more thoroughly locked down, where can we go in relative safety. A walk in the psrk will always be ok; Joe's Deli is clean with wide spaces between tables, and once the hoarding hordes retreat, supermarkets should be safe again. Other ideas?

Dan

Depending on what you read and hear. Everything from 7' to Don't Go Out Unless You Have To!

Today I was listening to a CDC representative that was talking about German studies. COVID-19 seems to be extra potent and virulent before you know you have it. In other words, not only d0 30% of the people who get it never know they have it. Yet they can spread it as bad or worse than someone showing symptoms. Then there is the fact that they are seeing lung damage in all that get it. The only question is amount of scaring.

Which brings us to risk factors, and people you see.

My thoughts, are CDC reports state shutdowns could be simple or complete. Everything and anything from 2-4-8 weeks to a year. This is from CDC professionals. The good news is if it is for a year, it will only be hot spots that pop up and move.

Best is be safe be smart.

In actuality Bridget is correct, go no where. BUT if you go nowhere now, then when they shut it all down, your quarantine is much longer. So like the emergency stock pile of food and supply. Be safe, get ready, but don't go overboard yet.

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[Dan Alaimo]

I'm pretty cautious, doing the preparedness thing more than some, less than others; being real vigilant in public spaces, trying not to touch people and railings and such directly with my hands. I believe in the seriousness of the threat, but I find the toilet paper hoarding nothing less than hilarious. When someone told me a month or so ago they bought a big box of face masks, I thought it was dumb. Today I ordered two face masks, just in case

I'm also somewhat fatalistic. When my time comes, it comes. I'll take all due precautions, but will try to enjoy what's left to me. I've had a good run. I know that I could lock myself away for the rest of the year, but when CDC gives the all-clear, I could go out and get hit by a bus. I worry more about Trump using the virus to manipulate the November election to stay in power. He has and will do so much damage.

Those are my parameters. I'm willing to take my chances, go out to some stores as necessary, as well as some carefully selected restaurants, drive places and see people in public places, walk the dogs, go to the parks. I'm looking for other people's ideas for places like that in Lakewood - out, but safe. Maybe someone should plan a Covid-19 social gathering where everyone commits to standing a distance from each other.

I'm about to make a really bad comparison, but I'll take a shot at it.

A year or two ago there was a really bad hookworm condition afflicting many greyhounds, including both of mine. It wasn't deadly, but it was a big health problem that needed attention. People who hadn't obtained a dog in awhile were skeptical, and those who had them didn't know where to turn at first, and the early advice they received was scattered and uninformed. And they were deeply frightened on behalf of their dogs. They would try anything. This changed in time and we now have a far better grasp of the condition and the cure. It ain't that bad.

Certainly there's no comparison between canine hookworms and human Covid-19, except the situation we find ourselves in. It's early in the disease progression and we are either frightened out of our wits about it, or we are denying it. The best thing to do is to try to come to grips with our fear as best we can within our human limitations. Things will get worse before they get better, but eventually the frightening situation will become clear.

[cmager]

Dan, here are some good options...

[Jim O'Bryan]

Dan

This has been what Bridget has been preaching the longest.

The sooner we go nowhere, the sooner we can go anywhere.

That is the nightmare.

From your last contact with a surface you do not know, and or surfaces you touch. Example, go to Giant Eagle, shop, and then go home, wash the packages,

Then you have 14 days to show signs.

If you do not wash a package, then add 14 days to the time you touched it.

You have zero chance of getting tested. So, the best way, for your own head, and those around you is to self isolate.

So when the last spring breaker comes homes, and doesn't go anywhere we have 14 days. More like 30 actually.

Humans as usual are our own worst enemy.

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[cmager]

Dan
This has been what Bridget has been preaching the longest. The sooner we go nowhere, the sooner we can go anywhere. That is the nightmare.

From your last contact with a surface you do not know, and or surfaces you touch. Example, go to Giant Eagle, shop, and then go home, wash the packages,

Then you have 14 days to show signs.
If you do not wash a package, then add 14 days to the time you touched it.

You have zero chance of getting tested. So, the best way, for your own head, and those around you is to self isolate.
So when the last spring breaker comes homes, and doesn't go anywhere we have 14 days. More like 30 actually.

Humans as usual are our own worst enemy.

Hands, canned and boxed goods, food delivery packaging, steering wheels, garage door openers, door knobs, handles, shoes, have inside and outside clothes, pens. Unload things in the garage and wipe them down.

You get takeout. What did you touch? Leave most packaging on your porch. Don't ask for condiments or paper. Wash your hands before you touch your food.

Think it through. Be smart, be well.

[Alex Belisle]

Why aren't more people talking about getting out to go walking, hiking, bike riding. Exercise out in fresh air, sunlight. You can still maintain "safe distance" if you do these things solo. Getting out in Nature also helps with the mental issues that are going to make themselves more known in the future weeks. I'm curious how the increase in dopamine and endorphins through these activities help in any way to fend off this virus ? Here's a list of things to do in our parks: https://www.cleveland.com/coronavirus/2 ... c-73490593

[Stan Austin]

Alex In my drives around town doing errands I've noticed an all of a sudden increase in parents (those younger than you and me) outdoors walking and biking with their kids!

[Dan Alaimo]

Why aren't more people talking about getting out to go walking, hiking, bike riding. Exercise out in fresh air, sunlight. You can still maintain "safe distance" if you do these things solo. Getting out in Nature also helps with the mental issues that are going to make themselves more known in the future weeks. I'm curious how the increase in dopamine and endorphins through these activities help in any way to fend off this virus ? Here's a list of things to do in our parks: https://www.cleveland.com/coronavirus/2 ... c-73490593

Alex, this article references the 1918 pandemic and how patients treated outside fared versus peope treated inside. I think it supports your point.
Key paragraph:
"Put simply, medics found that severely ill flu patients nursed outdoors recovered better than those treated indoors. A combination of fresh air and sunlight seems to have prevented deaths among patients; and infections among medical staff.[1] There is scientific support for this. Research shows that outdoor air is a natural disinfectant. Fresh air can kill the flu virus and other harmful germs. Equally, sunlight is germicidal and there is now evidence it can kill the flu virus."
Link:
https://medium.com/@ra.hobday/coronavir ... 9151dc8065

[Bridget Conant]

The Emerald Canyon is packed.

[Kate McCarthy]

The Emerald Canyon is packed.

While working from home this week and beyond, Lakewood Park has been great to take in a walk with my pup midday and I've run into friends everyday, which has been great for my mental health. No hugs, social distancing, but wonderful conversation. Though everyday I've been alarmed to see children playing on playground equipment. Unless there are warning that equipment should be sanitized before using and hands cleaned after using, I think the playgrounds should be shut down. I think we feel outside is safer, but if you touch surfaces that may be contaminated, that they are outside really makes no difference.