Is the First Amendment Working in Lakewood?

[Brian Essi]

Let's not gloss over the fact that she can post anything she wants no matter how crazy or full of billshit. And the person or business that she posts about is required to come to the Observation Deck and be a breath of fresh air and clear their name. That's bullshit and it's arrogant on the part of the Deck.

Please tell me you see the flaw in this model.

So I can go to some site that you don't visit and I can make a bunch of shit up about you and Essi. Three or four people then get behind my post and give it some steam. They start to post about the lies. Now it's your job to find the website. Maybe your friend tells you about the Rumours and bullshit that someone is posting about you.

By the Decks' logic. Dan and Jims logic. It's your job to go to that site and put out the fire of lies and bullshit.

Mr. Wadden,

First of all, Happy Easter!

Since many believe that the folks who drafted the First Amendment were inspired by Christianity, it seems to me that some might think your post last night and mine this morning are very timely on the important subjects you raised above.

Your questions and observations tug at the fundamental principle of the First Amendment and its limitations.

The Deck is not at all unique among web-based forums and the like in the ability of posters to post things that are not true about others.

While the First Amendment does not prevent any of this conduct from occurring in the first instance, the law does afford the victims of wrongful conduct a legal remedy if the conduct crosses the proverbial legal line.

For example, while you posed a hypothetical about me above, it is a fact that others in Lakewood have made up a lot of things about me and even my wife's business that are malicious and false and they have posted them on others web based sites. Please recall that in October, 2015, some of these people even went so far as to make bogus police reports about me. More recently, someone has made a police report against me claiming to be in fear of me and my dogs walking 100 feet across the street from his front yard. Rest assured that folks concerned about me, my family and my wife's business are cataloging these matters on social media and websites I just don't waste my time viewing. Legal action can and will be taken when and if needed.

I applauded Chris Perry for coming on the Deck and doing what he did--I was not defending Mrs. Allen. It seems to me that if Mrs. Allen has crossed the line, there are clear legal rights and remedies afforded to the victims.

While I raise the question in title to this thread in a rhetorical way to promote discussion here in Lakewood, may I suggest that similar questions are being raised about the misuse of web based media throughout the country and in the legislatures and courts of all 50 states.

It seems the First Amendment is working in Lakewood.

Exactly how would you change things?

[Patrick Wadden]

Happy Easter Brian. Didn't see you at 8 o'clock mass at Luke's.

I get what you're saying but the idea that someone, in this case, Mr Perry has to come to a site that he may or may not even know about to clear up lies and then he's told to come back with documentation on Monday. That's in his job description? Isn't that what a phone is for? Isn't that what an e-mail is for? Isn't that what council meetings are for?

[Michael Deneen]

This City Hall is making prolific use of the First Amendment.
They spread their lies and misinformation in a number of outlets.
If anyone questions them on a lie, they simply establish their own Soviet-style outlets to spread their message. (fake newspaper, Jen Pae's fake Lakewood Facebook page, etc.)

All things considered, the First Amendment is doing pretty well in Lakewood.
Unfortunately, government accountability is not.
When is City Hall going to release all those court-ordered records?

[cmager]

Happy Easter Brian. Didn't see you at 8 o'clock mass at Luke's.

Mr. Wadden, and this makes you superior in what way? Try to stay focused on the subject instead of thrashing about all ad-hominem-like.

p.s. the Lord has risen. Good day.

[Brian Essi]

Happy Easter Brian. Didn't see you at 8 o'clock mass at Luke's.

I get what you're saying but the idea that someone, in this case, Mr Perry has to come to a site that he may or may not even know about to clear up lies and then he's told to come back with documentation on Monday. That's in his job description? Isn't that what a phone is for? Isn't that what an e-mail is for? Isn't that what council meetings are for?

Mr. Wadden,

I haven't attended mass at St. Luke's since the very early 70's so I don't know why you have such high expectations of seeing me there---but I do attend mass there at weddings and funerals.

Have you bought into and are you perpetuating the #EssiChurch false and malicious narrative that I was somehow thrown out of my church?

BTW thanks for your outpouring of empathy for me, my family, my wife's business and my situation on this Special Day.

As for Mr. Perry, nobody is requiring anything of him that I saw; nobody said it was in his job description. Was he even named in Mrs. Allen's post prior to being a good citizen and coming on to add content?

Not sure the last time you were at a council meeting but there is no Q & A there at all---and if a citizen dares asks a question during the public comment, its is almost never answered--especially if the citizen is not in lock step with Council's narrative on the subject---Dan O'Malley is the exception. Other citizens and I have been verbally "flogged" for making public comments at Council meetings--and not allowed respond to outright lies spewed out by bad actors like O'Leary, Madigan, Bullock, and your buddy Butler.

Just curious: Why do you read the Deck when you always seem so disappointed and angry at what goes on here?

I get the anger at Mrs. Allen, but is seems you just don't like people expressing themselves.

[Bridget Conant]

Just curious: Why do you read the Deck when you always seem so disappointed and angry at what goes on here?

Great question! I see an analogy here with critics of the government of Lakewood and the hospital debacle.

Those who spoke out loudly against what they saw as government wrongs against the city and it's people were called negative and complainers. In reality, they were speaking out because they truly love Lakewood and want it to be the best it can be for all its residents.

Similarly, Wadden must really love the Deck and he wants to see it be the best it can be.

While others may see him as negative and a complainer, all he is really trying to do is improve something he really loves and cares deeply about because he knows how much it contributes to the vitality of the city while providing information you cannot get elsewhere.

He's just misunderstood.

Read his posts in this context and you will "get it."

[Patrick Wadden]

Brian, I get that you want to turn this into a broader discussion about the 1st amendment. Have at it. My post in the streets thread was specific to Lori Allan's post about "lord Lakewood". Then Mr. Perrys response. Then yours and Dans "Breath of fresh air" reaction. That's pretty much it.

You bring your thing in with the dog walking and Rick Uldricks and something about postcards?? I Have no idea about any of that stuff. Never met Rick Uldricks, have never talked to him.

As far as essichurch or any of the other stuff that Uldricks posts about you twitter, I have zero idea what any of that is about. i do know you, based on what I have read on Facebook, the deck, etc that you two sued each other or he sued Jim? Honestly have no idea what it's about and don't care.

Have a great Easter weekend.

[Brian Essi]

Brian, I get that you want to turn this into a broader discussion about the 1st amendment. Have at it. My post in the streets thread was specific to Lori Allan's post about "lord Lakewood". Then Mr. Perrys response. Then yours and Dans "Breath of fresh air" reaction. That's pretty much it.

You bring your thing in with the dog walking and Rick Uldricks and something about postcards?? I Have no idea about any of that stuff. Never met Rick Uldricks, have never talked to him.

As far as essichurch or any of the other stuff that Uldricks posts about you twitter, I have zero idea what any of that is about. i do know you, based on what I have read on Facebook, the deck, etc that you two sued each other or he sued Jim? Honestly have no idea what it's about and don't care.

Have a great Easter weekend.

Wow!

There you have it.

Talk about speculation wrapped around conjecture.

You started with swipes at Mrs. Allen---well deserved I might add, but then you dragged me, Mr. Alaimo, Ms. McCarthy and JOB all into a perceived conspiracy to defend and protect Mrs. Allen--and all on another thread.

Now on this thread, you say you don't know about Uldricks and his tweets but you "do know..based upon what [you] read on Facebook, the deck, etc." that Uldricks and I "sued each other...?" That never happened.

So, it seems you believe what you want to believe based upon what you read on "Facebook, the deck, etc.", but you don't what anybody else to write things that you don't want to believe.

You seemed to care about Cosmo Lamer enough to accuse me, Markling and JOB of being him---all based upon speculation wrapped around conjecture.

That's a very convenient way to "think," believe, and live.

[Patrick Wadden]

Brian, I get that you want to turn this into a broader discussion about the 1st amendment. Have at it. My post in the streets thread was specific to Lori Allan's post about "lord Lakewood". Then Mr. Perrys response. Then yours and Dans "Breath of fresh air" reaction. That's pretty much it.

You bring your thing in with the dog walking and Rick Uldricks and something about postcards?? I Have no idea about any of that stuff. Never met Rick Uldricks, have never talked to him.

As far as essichurch or any of the other stuff that Uldricks posts about you twitter, I have zero idea what any of that is about. i do know you, based on what I have read on Facebook, the deck, etc that you two sued each other or he sued Jim? Honestly have no idea what it's about and don't care.

Have a great Easter weekend.

Wow!

There you have it.

Talk about speculation wrapped around conjecture.

You started with swipes at Mrs. Allen---well deserved I might add, but then you dragged me, Mr. Alaimo, Ms. McCarthy and JOB all into a perceived conspiracy to defend and protect Mrs. Allen--and all on another thread.

Now on this thread, you say you don't know about Uldricks and his tweets but you "do know..based upon what [you] read on Facebook, the deck, etc." that Uldricks and I "sued each other...?" That never happened.

So, it seems you believe what you want to believe based upon what you read on "Facebook, the deck, etc.", but you don't what anybody else to write things that you don't want to believe.

You seemed to care about Cosmo Lamer enough to accuse me, Markling and JOB of being him---all based upon speculation wrapped around conjecture.

That's a very convenient way to "think," believe, and live.

You're not getting it. I don't care who sued who or for what reason they sued each other. I don't care if you didn't sue each other. Thats your world. You seem pretty good at it. Have fun.

The Cosmo thing, for those reading this for the first time.

I joined the Observation Deck sometime in mid 2015. Shortly there after a person named Cosmo started commenting on the couple of unprotected pictures on Facebook. Really in appropriate stuff about me, my father, etc. In a private message I asked Jim O'Bryan if he was Cosmo? Was Essi Cosmo? Was Markling Cosmo? That's the extent of my accusation. Jim came back to me in a private message and said that he was not Cosmo and he didn't think Essi and or Markling were Cosmo. He also added that he had seen posts by Cosmo and he had a hunch who Cosmo was. He told me would get back to me if anything ever came if it. Nothing did. End of the Cosmo story.

[Patrick Wadden]

Brian, Here is Jim's response to my question as to who was Cosmo.

Pretty mundane stuff huh. Not really the running around with my hair on fire accusing you and Markling of being Cosmo. Just asked the question to Jim if you or Markling were Cosmo. He said no. End of story.



Sent: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:27 pm
From: Jim O'Bryan
Recipient: Patrick Wadden
Patrick
I just got a message with my name and Cosmo Lamer in it. I have no idea who he is, and I do not post at any other sites. I actually do not go to any other sites as well.

I would love to talk with you about this face to face, that is my usual way for doing things.

We started the Observer because so many of us were trashed by fake names on Buzz. That was 12 years ago, at the Buzz I used Jim OB, that is as close to a fake name as I have ever gotten on a forum. I worked for Compuserve, there I was Jim.RFA.O'Bryan, RFA was the name of my motorsports team.

I do not believe fake names helps anything, ever. Ask anyone I work or deal with.

I look forward to straightening this out, and I do appreciate your input at the Lakewood Observer.

Jim O'Bryan
Jim O'Bryan
Lakewood Resident

"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg

"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama""

[Brian Essi]

Brian, Here is Jim's response to my question as to who was Cosmo.

Pretty mundane stuff huh. Not really the running around with my hair on fire accusing you and Markling of being Cosmo. Just asked the question to Jim if you or Markling were Cosmo. He said no. End of story.



Sent: Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:27 pm
From: Jim O'Bryan
Recipient: Patrick Wadden
Patrick
I just got a message with my name and Cosmo Lamer in it. I have no idea who he is, and I do not post at any other sites. I actually do not go to any other sites as well.

I would love to talk with you about this face to face, that is my usual way for doing things.

We started the Observer because so many of us were trashed by fake names on Buzz. That was 12 years ago, at the Buzz I used Jim OB, that is as close to a fake name as I have ever gotten on a forum. I worked for Compuserve, there I was Jim.RFA.O'Bryan, RFA was the name of my motorsports team.

I do not believe fake names helps anything, ever. Ask anyone I work or deal with.

I look forward to straightening this out, and I do appreciate your input at the Lakewood Observer.

Jim O'Bryan
Jim O'Bryan
Lakewood Resident

"The very act of observing disturbs the system."
Werner Heisenberg

"If anything I've said seems useful to you, I'm glad.
If not, don't worry. Just forget about it."
His Holiness The Dalai Lama""

Mr Wadden,

So you just asked the question to Jim? Huh?

In addition to me and the others, it seems you suspected/accused Mrs. Conant, Mr. Deneen and others without any evidence--just speculation wrapped around conjecture.

Your hair was not on fire?

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P.S. Like I said, I have made a lot of friends in Lakewood that have my back---one of my many friends just sent me these screen shots that they took two years ago. I don't really look at the facebookie thingy much--no time to do so. But I have a memory like an elephant.

[Patrick Wadden]

Yeah I wrote that. I own it. It was minutes after Cosmo wrote those things about me and my dad.

Jim O'Bryan then cleared things up after that explaining that you and Markling were not Cosmo.

[Brian Essi]

Yeah I wrote that. I own it. It was minutes after Cosmo wrote those things about me and my dad.

Jim O'Bryan then cleared things up after that.

I think that what "Cosmo Lamer" did o you and others was horrible.

I think that since the name "Cosmo Lamer" and what he/she did was so horrible and over the top, that it is highly likely that "Cosmo" was trying to get you and others mad at SLH and he succeeded.

I don't know how JOB "cleared things up" for you other than convincing you he is not like that--did you find his credibility so high that you believed what he said about me? Hmmm.

[m buckley]

Yeah I wrote that. I own it. It was minutes after Cosmo wrote those things about me and my dad.

Jim O'Bryan then cleared things up after that.

I think that what "Cosmo Lamer" did o you and others was horrible.

I think that since the name "Cosmo Lamer" and what he/she did was so horrible and over the top, that it is highly likely that "Cosmo" was trying to get you and others mad at SLH and he succeeded.

I don't know how JOB "cleared things up" for you other than convincing you he is not like that--did you find his credibility so high that you believed what he said about me? Hmmm.

Hey Waddle, No worries.

Whether it's the "bulllshit" laden rant in the middle of Easter weekend or this bit of embarrassing, unsubstantiated finger pointing, we know, you're just "overindulging in fun."
You're funnin us. You're a funny guy.

Besides as you so pointedly phrased it... " Cheap shots at Essi have become a cottage industry".

[Kate McCarthy]

You bring your thing in with the dog walking and Rick Uldricks and something about postcards?? I Have no idea about any of that stuff.

Where did Brian mention anything about postcards? Interesting that you have no idea of stuff that wasn't even mentioned.